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Dr. Wojtyla · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 2527 Location: Watican City

It has become clear to me that the only real problem anyone has with my political beliefs is the pesky word "anarchy." So I'm dropping it. From now on I'm a marketist. I believe in a free market in the absence of any monopoly on force. People can form voluntary organizations if they want. Some people call those governments, so guess what? Guess I'm not an anarchist! From now on call me a marketist.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

Why are you changing the title of your ideals to fit the conformity of others expectations?

I'm an Anarcho-Capitalist that has to defend "Anarcho" almost everyday; doesn't mean I give in.

Dr. Wojtyla · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 2527 Location: Watican City

LostSoul3412 wrote: Why are you changing the title of your ideals to fit the conformity of others expectations?

I'm an Anarcho-Capitalist that has to defend "Anarcho" almost everyday; doesn't mean I give in.

Why bother? The only difference in you and me is that if people agree with me, they'll admit it.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Why bother?

Because you shouldn't compromise your ideals to fit what other people want. Anarcho-Capitalism is still a form of Anarchy, and that's not going to change. Giving in to pressure only proves that the pressure was rightly applied. Giving up should never be an option in philosophy.

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: The only difference in you and me is that if people agree with me, they'll admit it.

There are many Anarcho-Capitalists that openly agree with me. foadi, Anarcho-Kapitalizt, Cyro, gavnook, just to name a few... you'd be suprised how many of us there are.

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: It has become clear to me that the only real problem anyone has with my political beliefs is the pesky word "anarchy." So I'm dropping it. From now on I'm a marketist. I believe in a free market in the absence of any monopoly on force. People can form voluntary organizations if they want. Some people call those governments, so guess what? Guess I'm not an anarchist! From now on call me a marketist.

Good idea! From now on, thats what I'm reffering to all capitlaists.

Its still redundant because anarchism does use markets and there are socialist free markets but at least we have Anarcho out of the name.

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

Quote: Because you shouldn't compromise your ideals to fit what other people want. Anarcho-Capitalism is still a form of Anarchy, and that's not going to change.
Wrong.

Considering the fact that traditional allies of anarchists have always been communists, socialists, and social democrats, it is absurd to think that marketists would be, in any way shape or form, a branch of anarchism. It only reinforces your ignorance.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

FinnMacCool wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: It has become clear to me that the only real problem anyone has with my political beliefs is the pesky word "anarchy." So I'm dropping it. From now on I'm a marketist. I believe in a free market in the absence of any monopoly on force. People can form voluntary organizations if they want. Some people call those governments, so guess what? Guess I'm not an anarchist! From now on call me a marketist.

Good idea! From now on, thats what I'm reffering to all capitlaists.

Its still redundant because anarchism does use markets and there are socialist free markets but at least we have Anarcho out of the name.

See what I mean? Giving up means giving in.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

FinnMacCool wrote: Quote: Because you shouldn't compromise your ideals to fit what other people want. Anarcho-Capitalism is still a form of Anarchy, and that's not going to change.
Wrong.

Considering the fact that traditional allies of anarchists have always been communists, socialists, and social democrats, it is absurd to think that marketists would be, in any way shape or form, a branch of anarchism. It only reinforces your ignorance.

Yes, because if it came first, it can never change. :roll:

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

Considering the fact that traditional allies of anarchists have always been communists, socialists, and social democrats, it is absurd to think that marketists would be, in any way shape or form, a branch of anarchism. It only reinforces your ignorance.[/quote]

Quote: Yes, because if it came first, it can never change. :roll:

Thats not even the point. We don't have anything in common. The very idea of "Anarcho-Capitalism" being a branch of anarchism is just stupid and shows a lack of understanding of anarchist ideology.

David Kelly · Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 451 Location: Kissimmee, FL

Anarchy = A total waist of time, hance the fact that communism has never taken root. Just give up on it already!
As for Anarco-Capitalist, :lol:

Dr. Wojtyla · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 2527 Location: Watican City

LostSoul3412 wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Why bother?

Because you shouldn't compromise your ideals to fit what other people want. Anarcho-Capitalism is still a form of Anarchy, and that's not going to change. Giving in to pressure only proves that the pressure was rightly applied. Giving up should never be an option in philosophy.

I have no ideals regarding labels and you're a fool if you do. But hey, good to know you'd give it all up if people spelled your name wrong.
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Dr. Wojtyla wrote: The only difference in you and me is that if people agree with me, they'll admit it.

There are many Anarcho-Capitalists that openly agree with me. foadi, Anarcho-Kapitalizt, Cyro, gavnook, just to name a few... you'd be suprised how many of us there are.

I know most of them from Anti-state.com.

Dr. Wojtyla · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 2527 Location: Watican City

David Kelly wrote: Anarchy = A total waist of time, hance the fact that communism has never taken root. Just give up on it already!
As for Anarco-Capitalist, :lol:

Whether I "give up" on anarcho-capitalism has little bearing on the fact that the private sector gets stronger than the public sector every day.

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2731

David Kelly wrote: Anarchy = A total waist of time, hance the fact that communism has never taken root. Just give up on it already!
As for Anarco-Capitalist, :lol:

Anarchism has a better track record then marketism.

And you guys have Somalia so thats negative 2 points.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

FinnMacCool wrote: And you guys have Somalia so thats negative 2 points.

:roll:

Even you know that Somalia is anything but Anarchist.

Anarko-Kapitalizt · Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 2517

Meh, I'm either going to start calling myself a red-headed step child libertarian or an exploiter of pandas.

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Well I'm a Market Anarchist, the AnSocs who deny this are usually the functionally illiterate ones. In other words the anarchists who reckon anarchy simply means chaos and a license to kill anyone you don't like - normally those who bullied them you at school.

Roman · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 180

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: It has become clear to me that the only real problem anyone has with my political beliefs is the pesky word "anarchy." So I'm dropping it. From now on I'm a marketist. I believe in a free market in the absence of any monopoly on force. People can form voluntary organizations if they want. Some people call those governments, so guess what? Guess I'm not an anarchist! From now on call me a marketist.

You sound more like a die-hard Libertarian.

Dr. Wojtyla · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 2527 Location: Watican City

Roman wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: It has become clear to me that the only real problem anyone has with my political beliefs is the pesky word "anarchy." So I'm dropping it. From now on I'm a marketist. I believe in a free market in the absence of any monopoly on force. People can form voluntary organizations if they want. Some people call those governments, so guess what? Guess I'm not an anarchist! From now on call me a marketist.

You sound more like a die-hard Libertarian.

Market anarchists are the most die-hard Libertarians of all.

Dr. Wojtyla · Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 2527 Location: Watican City

FinnMacCool wrote: David Kelly wrote: Anarchy = A total waist of time, hance the fact that communism has never taken root. Just give up on it already!
As for Anarco-Capitalist, :lol:

Anarchism has a better track record then marketism.

And you guys have Somalia so thats negative 2 points.

Every time you do something you weren't forced to do, that's another point for marketism. Every time you and another person cooperate to do something voluntarily, that's another point. Every time you're forced to do something, or prevented through force from doing something, that's a point against. Since the number of things the average person does voluntarily (the private sector) has grown relative to the number of things the average person does or doesn't do as a result of coercion (the public sector), the world has grown and will probably continue to grow more market anarchist.