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[Robodoon]

'Aborted' baby born alive, authorities say
Will clinic staffer be charged with homicide for disposing of live infant?


Posted: August 16, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
An investigation into the remains of a baby found at a Hialeah, Fla., abortion clinic in July has determined that the child was born alive, but authorities say it may come down to an interpretation of federal law whether charges will be filed.
The case developed at the end of July when the remains were found in a biohazard bag at "A Gynecologists Diagnostic Center" after an anonymous 911 call reported to police that a child had been born alive, then killed.
Infants' remains at an abortion clinic are not a violation of the law -- unless that child was born alive, in which case the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2000 takes effect.
The Miami-Dade County medical examiner and police in Hialeah have been investigating, and now local investigators in the South Florida city have confirmed the child was born alive.
Hialeah Deputy Police Chief Mark Overton recently told WorldNetDaily columnist Jill Stanek that the medical examiner ruled the baby was born alive, but state attorneys were trying to determine if the child was viable, or able to live outside the womb.
At the time the body was found, a lawyer for the owner of the abortion business issued a statement that no crime was committed, and an 18-year-old had had an abortion without complications.
"My clients run an abortion clinic. It's a legal business," Regina DeMoraes-Millan told television station WFOR-TV in Miami-Fort Lauderdale at the time. "Right now police are just investigating a 9-1-1 call."
Police were called to the Hialeah clinic on July 20 after a report that a person – identified by Overton as clinic owner Belkis Gonzalez – took the infant and placed it in the biohazard bag. But police were unable to investigate because the clinic was closed when they arrived.
After getting the mother's name, police obtained a search warrant, but on July 22 found nothing in their search, Stanek's sources reported.
Then on July 29, after another anonymous tip, officers returned and found the decomposing body in the bag.
Since then, the investigation has gone on, but now Overton has confirmed to Stanek that he's ready to move it to the next level, if a homicide count isn't coming.
"I will make a request to have the case reviewed by a higher authority and go to the media, regardless of the outcome," he told her.
At the time the body was found, a spokeswoman for Florida Right to Life told WND that babies' bodies in an abortion clinic are just "business as usual" for the industry.
Spokeswoman Linda Bell said there are very few protections for the mother, and essentially none for the unborn children, as a "result of legalized abortion in our nation."
Hialeah investigator Det. Tony Rodriquez expressed immediate concern about the situation, too.
"In 24 years in law enforcement, I have never seen a case like this," he had told reporters.
Witnesses told police the woman went in for an abortion, and returned the next day but an abortionist wasn't immediately available. While she was in a room, she gave birth to the child, witnesses told police.
The witnesses said the clinic worker then came in and put the baby in the bag.
Bell said her organization and others concerned about life repeatedly have tried to get basic health clinic rules applied to abortion businesses, without success to date.
"Unfortunately, that's the mentality of this country, that the abortion business is not subject (to rules)," she told WND. "This is the result of that."
One of the witnesses in the case is the mother of the child, police have said.
A report by the Miami Herald said state records show the clinic is one of a group owned and run by the same people. The records show the owner is Gonzalez, of Miramar, who also was listed as the owner of the Miramar clinic that was closed in 2005 after several workers were accused of practicing medicine without a license.
The state Department of Health concluded that one worker, Roberto A. Osborne, failed to treat a woman after giving her an abortion in 2000 and he pleaded guilty in 2005 to performing medicine without a license, a third-degree felony.
Bell also noted the Miramar clinic at one point promoted a cleaning woman to medical assistant so she could assist with abortions. Bell said the woman later pleaded guilty to nursing without a license.
Read Jill Stanek's column today, Homicide in Hialeah – or illegal dumping?

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Comments: Murderers.

[Selfish_Meme]

Robodoon wrote: Witnesses told police the woman went in for an abortion, and returned the next day but an abortionist wasn't immediately available. While she was in a room, she gave birth to the child, witnesses told police.
The witnesses said the clinic worker then came in and put the baby in the bag.


Comments: Murderers.
Maybe, but it wasn't abortion. Also for her to give birth it must be almost full term. Sounds like they were just foolish about disposing of a non-viable babies corpse.

[Kt]

What difference does it make if the baby was born and then killed, rather than aborted and killed by abortion? I would argue that both practices are acceptable.

[obama08]

Oh well....she dosent want the baby and she was at the place where they get rid of babies.

[eynon]

obama08 wrote: Oh well....she dosent want the baby and she was at the place where they get rid of babies.

I wish we had that attitude about the elderly....then the social-security issue would be solved. :twisted:

[JayDubya]

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_209213550.html

It checks out. Here's the same story from the area local news.

This makes me f***ing sick. The clinic lost its license, which is no comfort at all.

[obama08]

Quote: I wish we had that attitude about the elderly....then the social-security issue would be solved.


hmm well we dont...

So they will continue to get it :-D

[Izzibeth]

i'm not a fan of abortion that late in the pregnancy. if she "gave birth" the next day... she waited too long. plain and simple. there is a difference between "having a miscarriage" and "giving birth". if she was basically full term then she effectively killed her nearly fully formed child. i believe that you have plenty of time to make such a decision before it hits the stage at which you are about to give birth. abortions that late in the pregnancy should be done only for the physical health of the mother.

if the abortion clinic lost it's license then that is a good thing.

[Robodoon]

JayDubya wrote: http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_209213550.html

It checks out. Here's the same story from the area local news.

This makes me f***ing sick. The clinic lost its license, which is no comfort at all.

Murderers!

[Selfish_Meme]

Helena` wrote: What difference does it make if the baby was born and then killed, rather than aborted and killed by abortion? I would argue that both practices are acceptable.
Uh because the topic is abortion and the thread title is 'Aborted' baby, when no abortion happened. Apparently no 'murder' took place either, no one killed the baby, it died.

While I think it was appalling it has nothing to do with this thread, apart from the location it happened.

Hialeah Police PIO, Frank Gonzalez wrote: believe the baby was born premature and is unsure how the baby died.
This thread is mainly a thinly veiled attempt to make out that there is something wrong with abortion by trying to associate it very loosely with a tragedy and stupidity.

[Robodoon]

Selfish_Meme wrote: Helena` wrote: What difference does it make if the baby was born and then killed, rather than aborted and killed by abortion? I would argue that both practices are acceptable.
Uh because the topic is abortion and the thread title is 'Aborted' baby, when no abortion happened. Apparently no 'murder' took place either, no one killed the baby, it died.

While I think it was appalling it has nothing to do with this thread, apart from the location it happened.

Hialeah Police PIO, Frank Gonzalez wrote: believe the baby was born premature and is unsure how the baby died.
This thread is mainly a thinly veiled attempt to make out that there is something wrong with abortion by trying to associate it very loosely with a tragedy and stupidity.


Quote: The woman was taken into a recovery room and according to witnessess, gave birth in the clinic.

''Employees cut the umbilical cord, put the baby in a bag and walked away with it," Hialeah Lt. Ralph Gracia said.

An anonymous caller, who police believe to be a clinic worker, alerted officials that the baby was born alive and possibly killed. When officials arrived, however, there was no body to be found.

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_209213550.html

[Robodoon]

MURDERERS!

[Zoot]

Yes, it's murder after the second trimester.

What's your point?

[Robodoon]

Zoot wrote: Yes, it's murder after the second trimester.

What's your point?

LOL a Socialist Libertarian where are your feet?

This is a joke ...right? :shock:

[Zoot]

Robodoon wrote: Zoot wrote: Yes, it's murder after the second trimester.

What's your point?

LOL a Socialist Libertarian where are your feet?

This is a joke ...right? :shock:

Nope. Unless it's a joke that your comment about a story about a murder is to call the murderer a murderer. Just not sure what your point is. It's unclear.

[Selfish_Meme]

Robodoon wrote: Hialeah Police PIO, Frank Gonzalez wrote: believe the baby was born premature and is unsure how the baby died.


Quote: The woman was taken into a recovery room and according to witnessess, gave birth in the clinic.

''Employees cut the umbilical cord, put the baby in a bag and walked away with it," Hialeah Lt. Ralph Gracia said.

An anonymous caller, who police believe to be a clinic worker, alerted officials that the baby was born alive and possibly killed. When officials arrived, however, there was no body to be found.

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_209213550.html

Even if she had of gone to a hospital and miscarried there the baby would have died. The earliest viability occurs at 26+ weeks and even then with severe developmental diffulculties, so this embryo was at least two months away from viability, what were the clinic staff going to do? They didn't have to kill it, it was dead or dying already and there was nothing they could do.

And even still after all that, there was no abortion.

[Atlas Bergeron]

Izzibeth wrote: i'm not a fan of abortion that late in the pregnancy. if she "gave birth" the next day... she waited too long. plain and simple. there is a difference between "having a miscarriage" and "giving birth". if she was basically full term then she effectively killed her nearly fully formed child. i believe that you have plenty of time to make such a decision before it hits the stage at which you are about to give birth. abortions that late in the pregnancy should be done only for the physical health of the mother.

if the abortion clinic lost it's license then that is a good thing.

:roll: ...
except a miscariage is natural and requires no action on the part of a mother. That would be like saying there is no difference between me shooting a man in the heart and him having a sudden heart attack without my interference.

[Lumina]

Selfish_Meme wrote:
http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_209213550.html

Even if she had of gone to a hospital and miscarried there the baby would have died. The earliest viability occurs at 26+ weeks and even then with severe developmental diffulculties, so this embryo was at least two months away from viability, what were the clinic staff going to do? They didn't have to kill it, it was dead or dying already and there was nothing they could do.

And even still after all that, there was no abortion.[/quote]

Oh, no doubt the baby would've died--after all an "abortion procedure" had been performed on the mother the previous day.

What was the clinic staff going to do?! Don't know what the rest of 'em did, only that they will have to live with their actions, whatever they were, for the rest of their lives. But I know what one worker did: He or she called the police, and thank goodness for that.

[Selfish_Meme]

I would like to know what procedure was performed that left a 26 week old baby inside her?

[Izzibeth]

Atlas Bergeron wrote: Izzibeth wrote: i'm not a fan of abortion that late in the pregnancy. if she "gave birth" the next day... she waited too long. plain and simple. there is a difference between "having a miscarriage" and "giving birth". if she was basically full term then she effectively killed her nearly fully formed child. i believe that you have plenty of time to make such a decision before it hits the stage at which you are about to give birth. abortions that late in the pregnancy should be done only for the physical health of the mother.

if the abortion clinic lost it's license then that is a good thing.

:roll: ...
except a miscariage is natural and requires no action on the part of a mother. That would be like saying there is no difference between me shooting a man in the heart and him having a sudden heart attack without my interference.

i said there IS a difference.