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skinn · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 426 Location: beirut

thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote:

i have been known to defend the jews mate, i do not differentiante people because of there religion or race....

Where and when was that? Show me one post as proof...

show me one post where i appeared to be anti-semite, u won't be able, because i am not.

In fact lebanese are semites, that's for ur info mate.

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote:

i have been known to defend the jews mate, i do not differentiante people because of there religion or race....

Where and when was that? Show me one post as proof...

show me one post where i appeared to be anti-semite, u won't be able, because i am not.

In fact lebanese are semites, that's for ur info mate.

So you admit that you can't find one post in which -- in your own words --"i have been known to defend the jews mate".

skinn · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 426 Location: beirut

thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote:

i have been known to defend the jews mate, i do not differentiante people because of there religion or race....

Where and when was that? Show me one post as proof...

show me one post where i appeared to be anti-semite, u won't be able, because i am not.

In fact lebanese are semites, that's for ur info mate.

So you admit that you can't find one post in which -- in your own words --"i have been known to defend the jews mate".

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1554584&highlight=#1554584

enjoy (my reply to kaine)

skinn · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 426 Location: beirut

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1554711&highlight=#1554711

here's a proof u are anti-muslim, but i guess that's no big secret.

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

skinn wrote: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1554711&highlight=#1554711

here's a proof u are anti-muslim, but i guess that's no big secret.

Nice try, but enlighten me 'cause I see no proof of you defending the Jews in that post of yours:

>>that's saudi arabia, the allie of the USA, contrarly to hizbollah who never discriminated anyone for religeous practices.

In fact a couple month ago hizbollah signed an agreement with a lebanese political figure INSIDE a church.

the US and israel's muslim allies are the real extremists.<<

skinn · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 426 Location: beirut

thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1554711&highlight=#1554711

here's a proof u are anti-muslim, but i guess that's no big secret.

Nice try, but enlighten me 'cause I see no proof of you defending the Jews in that post of yours:

>>that's saudi arabia, the allie of the USA, contrarly to hizbollah who never discriminated anyone for religeous practices.

In fact a couple month ago hizbollah signed an agreement with a lebanese political figure INSIDE a church.

the US and israel's muslim allies are the real extremists.<<

:rotf: i don't get u

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1554711&highlight=#1554711

here's a proof u are anti-muslim, but i guess that's no big secret.

Nice try, but enlighten me 'cause I see no proof of you defending the Jews in that post of yours:

>>that's saudi arabia, the allie of the USA, contrarly to hizbollah who never discriminated anyone for religeous practices.

In fact a couple month ago hizbollah signed an agreement with a lebanese political figure INSIDE a church.

the US and israel's muslim allies are the real extremists.<<

:rotf: i don't get u

Typical of someone who can't back his claim. No wonder Arabs are so backward, especially in science and technology. If it weren't for the West, the Arabs would still be riding camels...

skinn · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 426 Location: beirut

thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1554711&highlight=#1554711

here's a proof u are anti-muslim, but i guess that's no big secret.

Nice try, but enlighten me 'cause I see no proof of you defending the Jews in that post of yours:

>>that's saudi arabia, the allie of the USA, contrarly to hizbollah who never discriminated anyone for religeous practices.

In fact a couple month ago hizbollah signed an agreement with a lebanese political figure INSIDE a church.

the US and israel's muslim allies are the real extremists.<<

:rotf: i don't get u

Typical of someone who can't back his claim. No wonder Arabs are so backward, especially in science and technology. If it weren't for the West, the Arabs would still be riding camels...

u're also anti-arab, how fascinating, more racist posts to come?

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1554711&highlight=#1554711

here's a proof u are anti-muslim, but i guess that's no big secret.

Nice try, but enlighten me 'cause I see no proof of you defending the Jews in that post of yours:

>>that's saudi arabia, the allie of the USA, contrarly to hizbollah who never discriminated anyone for religeous practices.

In fact a couple month ago hizbollah signed an agreement with a lebanese political figure INSIDE a church.

the US and israel's muslim allies are the real extremists.<<

:rotf: i don't get u

Typical of someone who can't back his claim. No wonder Arabs are so backward, especially in science and technology. If it weren't for the West, the Arabs would still be riding camels...

u're also anti-arab, how fascinating, more racist posts to come?

Criticizing a culture or a religion does not make one a racist, which is nothing compared to someone who advocates the destruction of a state like Israel that has been recognized by scores of countries, including a measly number of Arab states.

FreedomSpeech · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 80

thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1554711&highlight=#1554711

here's a proof u are anti-muslim, but i guess that's no big secret.

Nice try, but enlighten me 'cause I see no proof of you defending the Jews in that post of yours:

>>that's saudi arabia, the allie of the USA, contrarly to hizbollah who never discriminated anyone for religeous practices.

In fact a couple month ago hizbollah signed an agreement with a lebanese political figure INSIDE a church.

the US and israel's muslim allies are the real extremists.<<

:rotf: i don't get u

Typical of someone who can't back his claim. No wonder Arabs are so backward, especially in science and technology. If it weren't for the West, the Arabs would still be riding camels...
What an ignorant response. Your response really shows how uneducated pertson you are.

Have you ever wondered why so many scientific terminologies have the "al" prefix - i.e. algebra, , that's right, West could never reach this level without reading millions of Muslims scientists' books

Wikipedia wrote: During the Middle Ages Arabic was also a major vehicle of culture, especially in science, mathematics and philosophy, with the result that many European languages have also borrowed numerous words from it

Don't take this as a personal attack, but its really a sign of ignorance to not admit Isalmic impact on modern science. Unless you're just a racist, then yea, Muslims are just bunch of camels riders.

p.s. A tip for you, go read some books about Islamic culture before debating in Middle East forum :roll:

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

FreedomSpeech wrote: thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1554711&highlight=#1554711

here's a proof u are anti-muslim, but i guess that's no big secret.

Nice try, but enlighten me 'cause I see no proof of you defending the Jews in that post of yours:

>>that's saudi arabia, the allie of the USA, contrarly to hizbollah who never discriminated anyone for religeous practices.

In fact a couple month ago hizbollah signed an agreement with a lebanese political figure INSIDE a church.

the US and israel's muslim allies are the real extremists.<<

:rotf: i don't get u

Typical of someone who can't back his claim. No wonder Arabs are so backward, especially in science and technology. If it weren't for the West, the Arabs would still be riding camels...
What an ignorant response. Your response really shows how uneducated pertson you are.

Have you ever wondered why so many scientific terminologies have the "al" prefix - i.e. algebra, , that's right, West could never reach this level without reading millions of Muslims scientists' books

Wikipedia wrote: During the Middle Ages Arabic was also a major vehicle of culture, especially in science, mathematics and philosophy, with the result that many European languages have also borrowed numerous words from it

Don't take this as a personal attack, but its really a sign of ignorance to not admit Isalmic impact on modern science. Unless you're just a racist, then yea, Muslims are just bunch of camels riders.

p.s. A tip for you, go read some books about Islamic culture before debating in Middle East forum :roll:

Yep, the Arabs have been riding on their 'great' accomplishment since... let me think... oh 500 years ago. Since then the West produced calculus, group theory, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, Relativivity, Quantum Mechanics, radio, TV, computers, satelite communications, and yep, the internet... and I have skipped many other advancements which would take too much time. In that interval, Islam has given us the suicide-bombers, and... oh, IED. Great!!!

FreedomSpeech · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 80

thatisnotme wrote: Yep, the Arabs have been riding on their 'great' accomplishment since... let me think... oh 500 years ago. Since then the West produced calculus, group theory, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, Relativivity, Quantum Mechanics, radio, TV, computers, satelite communications, and yep, the internet... and I have skipped many other advancements which would take too much time. In that interval, Islam has given us the suicide-bombers, and... oh, IED. Great!!!
Well, you exposed yourself, you're not but a Muslims hater and a racist. You're full of hatred that you can't admit that without the Muslims, all of these achievements you mentioned would not exist !
You are either a racist person, or a very ignorant one.

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

FreedomSpeech wrote: thatisnotme wrote: Yep, the Arabs have been riding on their 'great' accomplishment since... let me think... oh 500 years ago. Since then the West produced calculus, group theory, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, Relativivity, Quantum Mechanics, radio, TV, computers, satelite communications, and yep, the internet... and I have skipped many other advancements which would take too much time. In that interval, Islam has given us the suicide-bombers, and... oh, IED. Great!!!
Well, you exposed yourself, you're not but a Muslims hater and a racist. You're full of hatred that you can't admit that without the Muslims, all of these achievements you mentioned would not exist !
You are either a racist person, or a very ignorant one.

Your ad hominen attacks -- which are not permitted on this forum -- indicates to me you have no more valid arguments to make. That Science and Technology flourished from the West is a well-known fact that does not need to be debated. That Arab countries, without the enlightenment of the West, would still be a backwater region on this planet is also a fact. How racist of me to point that out!?! Wow!!!

FreedomSpeech · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 80

thatisnotme wrote: Your ad hominen attacks -- which are not permitted on this forum -- indicates to me you have no more valid arguments to make. That Science and Technology flourished from the West is a well-known fact that does not need to be debated. That Arab countries, without the enlightenment of the West, would still be a backwater region on this planet is also a fact. How racist of me to point that out!?! Wow!!!
You are so close-minded that you can't even realize what I'm debating here. I'm not debating the current state of science. It will be very stupid to deny that the West is really advanced in science much more than Arabs. This is not what I'm saying, I'm saying that the West couldn't achieve this if Arabs didn't achieve what they achieved before West. Modern science is heavily based on Muslims achievements during golden ages of Islam. Your refusal of denying this fact makes it obivous that you're desire is to portray Arabs as primitive peoples, I really can't find words other than "racist" to describe this.
Got it ? you're debating a known fact just because it acknowledges Arabs.

Quote: If it weren't for the West, the Arabs would still be riding camels...
You attacked a whole nation and then you are accusing me of attacking you ? hypocrisy

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1745 Location: London

thatisnotme wrote: FreedomSpeech wrote: thatisnotme wrote: Yep, the Arabs have been riding on their 'great' accomplishment since... let me think... oh 500 years ago. Since then the West produced calculus, group theory, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, Relativivity, Quantum Mechanics, radio, TV, computers, satelite communications, and yep, the internet... and I have skipped many other advancements which would take too much time. In that interval, Islam has given us the suicide-bombers, and... oh, IED. Great!!!
Well, you exposed yourself, you're not but a Muslims hater and a racist. You're full of hatred that you can't admit that without the Muslims, all of these achievements you mentioned would not exist !
You are either a racist person, or a very ignorant one.

Your ad hominen attacks -- which are not permitted on this forum -- indicates to me you have no more valid arguments to make. That Science and Technology flourished from the West is a well-known fact that does not need to be debated. That Arab countries, without the enlightenment of the West, would still be a backwater region on this planet is also a fact. How racist of me to point that out!?! Wow!!!

Your both getting out of hand. In general the west has been the lead in technological advancements in the last 500 years and especially in the last 200. The reason why there has'nt been much Muslim or Islamic advancement from that region, is for a multitude of reasons. If your going to talk about advancements in the west, then forget about Greece, Cyprus, Spain, Portugal, Norway ect. and just say the U.S, Britain, France, Germany, Japan & Russia. People might say, "hey what about my country?" Well that's what debates for.

When Egypt and the Persians had its golden period, we Brits were savages, no science or anything and living in huts. It did'nt mean that in the right environment we Brits could'nt flourish as we've proven. It just takes the right circumstances and not being oppressed by other nations and basically being free from interference. Look at Africa, no culture could thrive with the interference they've had.
The same goes for the Middle east, what ever excuse you wish to give, those people are'nt really free. Free thinking, thought and speech is'nt really truly encouraged, the governments are repressive, the dogma of religious fanaticism stifles science. What the hell do you expect? Does it mean the Arabs are not capable? History more than proves that they are.

FreedomSpeech · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 80

Plato & Socrates wrote: Your both getting out of hand. In general the west has been the lead in technological advancements in the last 500 years and especially in the last 200. The reason why there has'nt been much Muslim or Islamic advancement from that region, is for a multitude of reasons. If your going to talk about advancements in the west, then forget about Greece, Cyprus, Spain, Portugal, Norway ect. and just say the U.S, Britain, France, Germany, Japan & Russia. People might say, "hey what about my country?" Well that's what debates for.

When Egypt and the Persians had its golden period, we Brits were savages, no science or anything and living in huts. It did'nt mean that in the right environment we Brits could'nt flourish as we've proven. It just takes the right circumstances and not being oppressed by other nations and basically being free from interference. Look at Africa, no culture could thrive with the interference they've had.
The same goes for the Middle east, what ever excuse you wish to give, those people are'nt really free. Free thinking, thought and speech is'nt really truly encouraged, the governments are repressive, the dogma of religious fanaticism stifles science. What the hell do you expect? Does it mean the Arabs are not capable? History more than proves that they are.
%100 I couldn't agree more. Science and Technology is a very competitive field, all the nations on the earth are capable of achieve something in it, its just the current environment that restricts achieving. What irritates me, is that some people try their best to portray some nations as dumb nations. I'm not saying that West aren't the lead here, it will be very stupid of me to say this while I'm enjoying the Internet to have this discussion, I've always admired technologies invented by the West (I keep daydreaming of having a Jaguar car :) ), but this doesn't prevent me from acknowledging past achievements of other nations.

Claudia Schiffer · Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 3234

thatisnotme wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: So Lebanon should get rid of Hezbollah, the only thing that protects them from Israel, they should just disarmed them and trust that Israel will not take that opportunity to invade Lebanon? That'a it? Would ''you'' disarm?

The difference is if the Arabs lay down their arms, there will be peace. If Israelis lay down their arms, they will be destroyed.

Are you really that naive. :shock: :roll: :shock: ..Oh! my God!!! :shock:

Lebanon will become an easy target and Israel will take that opportunity to take over the land, just like they did to the palestinians...

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2580

Quote: Modern science is heavily based on Muslims achievements during golden ages of Islam.

Its not heavily based on Arab achievements, but on the number system we took from the Arabs, which they took from the Indians, most of in fact of the so called Arab achievements were actually undertaken by Persian's. In fact Arabs even copied Persian architecture.

FreedomSpeech · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 80

mendosan wrote: Quote: Modern science is heavily based on Muslims achievements during golden ages of Islam.

Its not heavily based on Arab achievements, but on the number system we took from the Arabs, which they took from the Indians, most of in fact of the so called Arab achievements were actually undertaken by Persian's. In fact Arabs even copied Persian architecture.
Oh god, this is unbelivable. Please guys, just try to make some researches before sharing us with nonsense comments .

Muslim scientists were very famous in Chemistry, Math, Medicine and Physics. In fact, many theories are still being taught. Have you ever looked up these terms in dictionary (although I really doubt it) : alchemy, algebra, algorithm, alkali, almanac, antimony, azimuth, cipher (zero), algebra, admiral, alcohol, azimuth,zircon, zenith.

(Geber) Jaben ibn Haiyan Contributions to Chemistry (alchemy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientist
Muslims' Contributions to Science.
English Words Borrowed from Arabic
http://www.netmuslims.com/info/contributions.html

I don't know why it is so shameful to admit Muslims achievements and contributions to science. Its a well known fact, please go read some history books before debating.

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

FreedomSpeech wrote: thatisnotme wrote: Your ad hominen attacks -- which are not permitted on this forum -- indicates to me you have no more valid arguments to make. That Science and Technology flourished from the West is a well-known fact that does not need to be debated. That Arab countries, without the enlightenment of the West, would still be a backwater region on this planet is also a fact. How racist of me to point that out!?! Wow!!!
You are so close-minded that you can't even realize what I'm debating here. I'm not debating the current state of science. It will be very stupid to deny that the West is really advanced in science much more than Arabs. This is not what I'm saying, I'm saying that the West couldn't achieve this if Arabs didn't achieve what they achieved before West. Modern science is heavily based on Muslims achievements during golden ages of Islam. Your refusal of denying this fact makes it obivous that you're desire is to portray Arabs as primitive peoples, I really can't find words other than "racist" to describe this.
Got it ? you're debating a known fact just because it acknowledges Arabs.

Quote: If it weren't for the West, the Arabs would still be riding camels...
You attacked a whole nation and then you are accusing me of attacking you ? hypocrisy

The great debater can only come up with more insults... closed mind, racist... that is the position of one who has lost the debate and cannot add anything to the issue but insults. And saying that Arabs are primitive is a fact, not a racist comment. When they can send someone orbiting around the Earth, maybe we can revised that qualification, but as of now, the Arabs have produced no industry of their own, except carpet weaving, no major breakthrough in the sciences, technology or industry. Again, glorifying a civilization because 500 years ago they came up with algebra and produced nothing since then is a bit of a stretch. But heh, whatever turns you on...