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[SpartanPhalanx]

Interesting article in Britain's Independent about Bush's disastrous gamble with his proxy in the Middle East, Israel.



http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1219457.ece


Comments?

[thatisnotme]

Assad is preaching to the choir about their victory. The free press in that country has been completely surpressed -- the only media allowed to run is a mouthpiece for Assad's propaganda. In reality, the Lebanese economy is in total ruins, while that of Israel has suffered negligible damage, like dust to be shaken from one's shoulders. Hezbollah won't be free to launch rockets from South Lebanon as this region will be patrolled by an international force. So on both the military and economic fronts, Hezbollah is the clear loser.

The only reason Hezbollah escaped more damage is that Israel gave warning to the population in order to give them time to leave the area about to be bombed-- which also gave time to Hezbollah hiding among the population to run. Which country on this planet will do that -- warn its sworn enemy before striking???

BTW, that article is full of nonsense-- must be getting large sum of money from the mullahs in Iran.

[SpartanPhalanx]

thatisnotme wrote: Assad is preaching to the choir about their victory. The free press in that country has been completely surpressed -- the only media allowed to run is a mouthpiece for Assad's propaganda. In reality, the Lebanese economy is in total ruins, while that of Israel has suffered negligible damage, like dust to be shaken from one's shoulders. Hezbollah won't be free to launch rockets from South Lebanon as this region will be patrolled by an international force. So on both the military and economic fronts, Hezbollah is the clear loser.

The only reason Hezbollah escaped more damage is that Israel gave warning to the population in order to give them time to leave the area about to be bombed-- which also gave time to Hezbollah hiding among the population to run. Which country on this planet will do that -- warn its sworn enemy before striking???

BTW, that article is full of nonsense-- must be getting large sum of money from the mullahs in Iran.

Robert Fisk is a British Journalist who has lived in Beirut for the past 25 years. He is not affiliated with anyone in Iran or Syria, nor is he affiliated with any group in Lebanon.

If Israel is merely shaking the colllective dust from its shoulders, why is Olmert's tenure as leader already being questioned?...why did Israel replace the head of its northern command just 2 days before the cease-fire?...why are those poor Israeli soldiers looking so despondent?

Israel said it would crush Hezbollah back on June 12th....the day before the cease-fire was to take place, Hezbollah fired 250 Katyushas over to Israel.

You need to tell the people of Lebanon and the Arab world in general Hezbollah lost .... and see the laughter you will get in return.........

Knock yerself out pal..... :-)

[Rankor and Pissing]

If 1 hezbollah terrorist was left - it would STILL be an overwhelming success and a defeat of Israel since Israel wasn't able to wipe the ALL out...

Please, the ME CREATED propoganda... they're the best at it. It didn't really matter what happened of course Hezbollah will claim victory! With Syria and Iran backing them - they have no choice but to! Olmert will suffer for not inflicting more damage ... he wasn't up to the task and will pay. Israel should have been less worried about civilian casualties ... they gave ample warnings... oh well, maybe next time. And there WILL be a next time.

[thatisnotme]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: Assad is preaching to the choir about their victory. The free press in that country has been completely surpressed -- the only media allowed to run is a mouthpiece for Assad's propaganda. In reality, the Lebanese economy is in total ruins, while that of Israel has suffered negligible damage, like dust to be shaken from one's shoulders. Hezbollah won't be free to launch rockets from South Lebanon as this region will be patrolled by an international force. So on both the military and economic fronts, Hezbollah is the clear loser.

The only reason Hezbollah escaped more damage is that Israel gave warning to the population in order to give them time to leave the area about to be bombed-- which also gave time to Hezbollah hiding among the population to run. Which country on this planet will do that -- warn its sworn enemy before striking???

BTW, that article is full of nonsense-- must be getting large sum of money from the mullahs in Iran.

Robert Fisk is a British Journalist who has lived in Beirut for the past 25 years. He is not affiliated with anyone in Iran or Syria, nor is he affiliated with any group in Lebanon.

If Israel is merely shaking the colllective dust from its shoulders, why is Olmert's tenure as leader already being questioned?...why did Israel replace the head of its northern command just 2 days before the cease-fire?...why are those poor Israeli soldiers looking so despondent?

Israel said it would crush Hezbollah back on June 12th....the day before the cease-fire was to take place, Hezbollah fired 250 Katyushas over to Israel.

You need to tell the people of Lebanon and the Arab world in general Hezbollah lost .... and see the laughter you will get in return.........

Knock yerself out pal..... :-)

There are a lot of people who are delutional if they think they won the war in Lebanon, just look at the carnage. It will take billions of dollars to rebuild, and another ten years. Meanwhile Israel is getting an international force to patrol South Lebanon, cost free to Israel. Now, who is laughing???

As for Olmert, he deserves to be dumped on account that he thought -- against the advice of the army leadership --he could win with just airstrikes. He dithered and delayed the ground offensive for no good reasons. So he will pay politically for that mistake. That honesty is far more refreshing than the rallying victory of Assad and Ahmadinejad, which sounds nothing but a Pyrrhic victory and a propaganda ploy to make the masses believed in a stupid dream that they will wipe off Israel from the map.

[Pebble]

Quote:
There are a lot of people who are delutional if they think they won the war in Lebanon, just look at the carnage. It will take billions of dollars to rebuild, and another ten years. Meanwhile Israel is getting an international force to patrol South Lebanon, cost free to Israel. Now, who is laughing???

Hezbollah.

All of the damage to Lebanese civilian infrastructure plays directly into their hands. They simply move back into the poor areas with new hospitals and schools and they will become further embedded into society than before. The Lebanese state will have to pay for rebuilding and will bear the brunt for those 10 years of effort, whilst Hezbollah will get away scott free.

Israel has catagorically failed it's 3 main objectives:

1) To secure the release of prisoners by any other means than an exchange.

2) To drive Hezbollah out of the South of Lebanon and render them no logner a threat.

3) To stop the missiles being fired into Israel.

Hezbollah won the war in Lebanon, Israel lost and Lebanon was crushed.

[Village Idiot]

Pebble wrote: Quote:
There are a lot of people who are delutional if they think they won the war in Lebanon, just look at the carnage. It will take billions of dollars to rebuild, and another ten years. Meanwhile Israel is getting an international force to patrol South Lebanon, cost free to Israel. Now, who is laughing???

Hezbollah.

All of the damage to Lebanese civilian infrastructure plays directly into their hands. They simply move back into the poor areas with new hospitals and schools and they will become further embedded into society than before. The Lebanese state will have to pay for rebuilding and will bear the brunt for those 10 years of effort, whilst Hezbollah will get away scott free.

Israel has catagorically failed it's 3 main objectives:

1) To secure the release of prisoners by any other means than an exchange.

2) To drive Hezbollah out of the South of Lebanon and render them no logner a threat.

3) To stop the missiles being fired into Israel.

Hezbollah won the war in Lebanon, Israel lost and Lebanon was crushed.

Israel has only driven Hezbollah further into Lebanon society. This is the complete opposite to what they intended. Israel miscalculated this war and its outcomes.

[thatisnotme]

Pebble wrote:

All of the damage to Lebanese civilian infrastructure plays directly into their hands. They simply move back into the poor areas with new hospitals and schools and they will become further embedded into society than before. The Lebanese state will have to pay for rebuilding and will bear the brunt for those 10 years of effort, whilst Hezbollah will get away scott free.




If Lebanese allow Hezbollah to get away scott free, then they are really stupid and deserve everything that has and will come their way. They cannot cry <innocence> anymore. They are as guilty as Hezbollah.

Also, if Hezbollah is stupid enough to continue launching its rockets, that will be against the UN and its forces on the ground. Hezbollah will then alienate most European countries whose soldiers will be at harm's way. So the victory that Hezbollah is claiming is a Pyrrhic one.

[skinn]

Mr Assad can simply shut up, as he did nothing, absolutely nothing threw the whole crisis, and now he comes trying to steal the victory.

[FreedomSpeech]

skinn wrote: Mr Assad can simply shut up, as he did nothing, absolutely nothing threw the whole crisis, and now he comes trying to steal the victory.
Don't be naive, all the ammunition Hezbollah used during the war came from Syria. And besides this, he was the only Arab leader to support resistance publicly. Unlike Saudis who issued a fatwa caliming that Hezbollah are infidels and that Muslims should not pray for them (not make doa').

[whynot]

Quote: If Lebanese allow Hezbollah to get away scott free, then they are really stupid and deserve everything that has and will come their way. They cannot cry <innocence> anymore. They are as guilty as Hezbollah.

im surprised that you can always speak about Threats , but hisbollah will stay comfortably waiting this (als mans) israeliens when they want to make them a new round of supplice

[skinn]

FreedomSpeech wrote: skinn wrote: Mr Assad can simply shut up, as he did nothing, absolutely nothing threw the whole crisis, and now he comes trying to steal the victory.
Don't be naive, all the ammunition Hezbollah used during the war came from Syria. And besides this, he was the only Arab leader to support resistance publicly. Unlike Saudis who issued a fatwa caliming that Hezbollah are infidels and that Muslims should not pray for them (not make doa').

saudis are not better, but assad is a dictator, and dectators speaking on behalf of their people disgust me.

Lebanon's experience with syria was not that much better than with israel.

[Claudia Schiffer]

So Lebanon should get rid of Hezbollah, the only thing that protects them from Israel, they should just disarmed them and trust that Israel will not take that opportunity to invade Lebanon? That'a it? Would ''you'' disarm?

[skinn]

Claudia Schiffer wrote: So Lebanon should get rid of Hezbollah, the only thing that protects them from Israel, they should just disarmed them and trust that Israel will not take that opportunity to invade Lebanon? That'a it? Would ''you'' disarm?

i didnot critisise hizbollah, i supported hizbollah in this war, i am criticising assad the dictator next-door.

the difference between sayyed hassan nasraalah and other arab leaders ( bashar el assad, saddam husein, kaddafi, mubarak), is that nasrallah is really loved by his people (for whatever reason) contrarly to those bloodthirsty dictators.

[thatisnotme]

Claudia Schiffer wrote: So Lebanon should get rid of Hezbollah, the only thing that protects them from Israel, they should just disarmed them and trust that Israel will not take that opportunity to invade Lebanon? That'a it? Would ''you'' disarm?

The difference is if the Arabs lay down their arms, there will be peace. If Israelis lay down their arms, they will be destroyed.

[skinn]

thatisnotme wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: So Lebanon should get rid of Hezbollah, the only thing that protects them from Israel, they should just disarmed them and trust that Israel will not take that opportunity to invade Lebanon? That'a it? Would ''you'' disarm?

The difference is if the Arabs lay down their arms, there will be peace. If Israelis lay down their arms, they will be destroyed.

u poor thing

[thatisnotme]

skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: So Lebanon should get rid of Hezbollah, the only thing that protects them from Israel, they should just disarmed them and trust that Israel will not take that opportunity to invade Lebanon? That'a it? Would ''you'' disarm?

The difference is if the Arabs lay down their arms, there will be peace. If Israelis lay down their arms, they will be destroyed.

u poor thing



I suppose you would not hesitate one second if you had the power to kill every Jew. Your anti-semitism smells a mile away.

[skinn]

thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: So Lebanon should get rid of Hezbollah, the only thing that protects them from Israel, they should just disarmed them and trust that Israel will not take that opportunity to invade Lebanon? That'a it? Would ''you'' disarm?

The difference is if the Arabs lay down their arms, there will be peace. If Israelis lay down their arms, they will be destroyed.

u poor thing



I suppose you would not hesitate one second if you had the power to kill every Jew. Your anti-semitism smells a mile away.

:rotf: funniest post yet.
i have been known to defend the jews mate, i do not differentiante people because of there religion or race contrarely to you, muslim hater.

[skinn]

thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: thatisnotme wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: So Lebanon should get rid of Hezbollah, the only thing that protects them from Israel, they should just disarmed them and trust that Israel will not take that opportunity to invade Lebanon? That'a it? Would ''you'' disarm?

The difference is if the Arabs lay down their arms, there will be peace. If Israelis lay down their arms, they will be destroyed.

u poor thing



I suppose you would not hesitate one second if you had the power to kill every Jew. Your anti-semitism smells a mile away.

:rotf: the classical ur a nazi argument, i will not forget this one :lol: :lol:

[thatisnotme]

skinn wrote:

i have been known to defend the jews mate, i do not differentiante people because of there religion or race....

Where and when was that? Show me one post as proof...