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anatman · Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject: Terror? What terror?

Good Day friends,

I invite you to click on to this site. I think it's something you will want to know.

Just to whet your appetites, this is from the part called 'The Fear Factory':
Quote: I’m going to tell you something which is straight-up heresy: America is not under attack by terrorists. There is no WAR on terror because, except for one day five years ago, al Qaeda has pretty much left us alone.

That’s because Osama got what he wanted. There’s no mystery about what Al Qaeda was after. Like everyone from the Girl Scouts to Bono, Osama put his wish on his web site. He had a single demand: “Crusaders out of the land of the two Holy Places.” To translate: get US troops out of Saudi Arabia.

And George Bush gave it to him. On April 29, 2003, two days before landing on the aircraft carrier Lincoln, our self-described “War President” quietly put out a notice that he was withdrawing our troops from Saudi soil. In other words, our cowering cowboy gave in whimpering to Osama’s demand.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

LOL! Greg Palast? Chumpsky? Dude.... Think for yourself and don't let these guys lead you around by the short hairs. Its OK to read them and listen to their points, but don't swallow it all at once. ;-)

Claudia Schiffer · Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 3234

anatman wrote: Good Day friends,

I invite you to click on to this site. I think it's something you will want to know.

Just to whet your appetites, this is from the part called 'The Fear Factory':
Quote: I’m going to tell you something which is straight-up heresy: America is not under attack by terrorists. There is no WAR on terror because, except for one day five years ago, al Qaeda has pretty much left us alone.

That’s because Osama got what he wanted. There’s no mystery about what Al Qaeda was after. Like everyone from the Girl Scouts to Bono, Osama put his wish on his web site. He had a single demand: “Crusaders out of the land of the two Holy Places.” To translate: get US troops out of Saudi Arabia.

And George Bush gave it to him. On April 29, 2003, two days before landing on the aircraft carrier Lincoln, our self-described “War President” quietly put out a notice that he was withdrawing our troops from Saudi soil. In other words, our cowering cowboy gave in whimpering to Osama’s demand.

:lol: :lol: :lol: ..Ha! thanks!..This is my favorite quot:

And what does he give us? In my own small town, the federal government has paid for loading an SUV with .50 caliber machine guns to watch for an Al Qaeda attack at the dock of the ferry that takes tourists to the Indian casino in Connecticut. The casino dock is my town’s officially designated “Critical Asset and Vulnerability Infrastructure Point (CAVIP).” (To find the most vulnerable points to attack in the USA, Al Qaeda can download a list from the Department of Homeland Security — no kidding.)

...this one id not bad either. :lol:

According to the press office from the Department of Homeland Security, lowered-threat Yellow means that there were no special inspections of passengers or cargo. Isn’t it nice of Mr. Bush to alert Osama when half our security forces are given the day off? Hmm. I asked an Israeli security expert why his nation doesn’t use these pretty color codes.

He asked me if, when I woke up, I checked the day’s terror color.

“I can’t say I ever have. I mean, who would?”

He smiled. “The terrorists.”

ShirzadianM · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 140 Location: Ohio

To be quite honest his point on the Terror alerts is quite true.... I never thought I would agree with him on a point.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

He makes a humorous point, but it is irrelevant. Does it warn the terrorists that we know they are up to something? Of course it does! But how else are you going to let everyone else know they need to be on their toes because something is up?

We don't know everything the terrorists are up to and the terrorists don't know what we do or do not know. The fact that a terror alert might go out might tip off the terrorists that we are on to their current scheme, but what is the alternative? If we don't know the specifics of the plan, are we to purposefully withhold information from the public and those who NEED to be on guard that there is a threat and then deal with the consequences once the attack has occured? Seems to me the alert system is the better alternative even if it DOES alert the terrorists that we may be on to their plans.

Considering we have not had another terrorists attack on US soil since the implementation, I think it is rather disingenuous to claim it is a stupid system designed to only inform the terrorists.

General George S.Patton · Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 4 Location: Connecticut

I always get a laugh reading this comunist babble.

It was also hilarious when the Dems responded to the latest Bush radio speech- some idiot Dem said "we're going in the wrong direction." and " We have better security plans than Bush". :roll:

What is better than NOT GETTING ATTACKED SINCE 911?

Off-hand, I'd say Bush has been 100% effective in stopping terrorist attacks on our shores, don't you think?

How does one dispute this obvious fact? :lol:

anatman · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject:

:shock: Most intelligent people now accept that the Bush regime is responsible for the 9/11 attack. It was them who did it? Off-hand, I'd say Bush has been 100% effective in initiating terrorist attacks on our shores, as well as on terrorist attacks on the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to agree with such views. May I suggest you read more online news sources and make up your own mind, rather than just accepting whatever you see on mainstream TV? :-D a good place to start would be 'The Truth About America' which you can click on below.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

anatman wrote: :shock: Most intelligent people now accept that the Bush regime is responsible for the 9/11 attack. It was them who did it? Off-hand, I'd say Bush has been 100% effective in initiating terrorist attacks on our shores, as well as on terrorist attacks on the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to agree with such views. May I suggest you read more online news sources and make up your own mind, rather than just accepting whatever you see on mainstream TV? :-D a good place to start would be 'The Truth About America' which you can click on below.

:rofl: Most intelligent people now accept the Bush "regime" is responsible for 9/11? :rofl: What a joke!

For your information, I get most of my information online and I do a lot of research online. Unfortunately for you I also research what the conspiracy sites spew and they are so full of lies and misinformation that it is amazing ANYONE believes what they write. Fortunately the truly intelligent see the conspiracy sites for what they are.... just another way of bilking the gullible of their money by feeding them what they want to hear.

So if you want to present your proof Bush was behind 9/11, feel free. You've failed several times now to do so. I am beginning to think you are just another parrot who cannot think for himself or defend what he "thinks" without cutting and pasting other web sites.

anatman · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject:

Patriot911 wrote: anatman wrote: :shock: Most intelligent people now accept that the Bush regime is responsible for the 9/11 attack. It was them who did it? Off-hand, I'd say Bush has been 100% effective in initiating terrorist attacks on our shores, as well as on terrorist attacks on the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to agree with such views. May I suggest you read more online news sources and make up your own mind, rather than just accepting whatever you see on mainstream TV? :-D a good place to start would be 'The Truth About America' which you can click on below.

:rofl: Most intelligent people now accept the Bush "regime" is responsible for 9/11? :rofl: What a joke!

For your information, I get most of my information online and I do a lot of research online. Unfortunately for you I also research what the conspiracy sites spew and they are so full of lies and misinformation that it is amazing ANYONE believes what they write. Fortunately the truly intelligent see the conspiracy sites for what they are.... just another way of bilking the gullible of their money by feeding them what they want to hear.

So if you want to present your proof Bush was behind 9/11, feel free. You've failed several times now to do so. I am beginning to think you are just another parrot who cannot think for himself or defend what he "thinks" without cutting and pasting other web sites.
I don't know how I could have "failed several times now to prove that Bush was behind 9/11," when this is the first time I've mentioned it.

As for your 'conspiracy sites': one man's conspiracy site is another's hard news site, if you were specific, it may be that I hold a particular site in more contempt than you do, so don't be presenting straw men.

I can't imagine what you're thinking to call yourself 'Patriot911'. Perhaps you'd like to explain some time.

I cannot say if there is proof positive that (not the dwarf Bush precisely) but those who commit mayhem in his name are behind 9/11 - that would be for the Hague War Crimes Tribunal to determine, but I can tell you how I first experienced 9/11 living in Southeast Asia as I do, and not having Cable TV or an internet connection in my home. My wife got a call from a friend who told her that some office building in New York had been bombed, and that some time that same day (we're 12 hours ahead of New York time) a plane had been hijacked in Pennsylvania on its way to the Pentagon. You can see how muddled it all was. :? Next on the radio, in the local language, was talk that the Japanese Red Army was behind it. :shock: Naturally, I suspected so-called 'Moslem' terrorist must be responsible, but who knew? I had so little information at that point that I thought I was terribly shrewd to guess the two events were connected. (I only knew of two of the four airplanes then.)

One thing I did know was that the Bush regime guys must be high-fiving and jumping for joy. I imagined that they'd be calling 9/11 (no one called it 9/11 yet at that point) "The Excuse". The excuse to do whatever they always wanted to do. So I was not a bit surprised when they decided to blame Saddam Hussein though it's obvious that he had no more to do with it than you or I. An ex-girlfriend of mine told me that in the States the thing had hardly happened before the main news channels were mentioning an Iraqi connection, as if they were already being fed the necessary lies.

Here I can ask where your side's proof is. To date, have they found any WMD in Iraq? And when they checked Saddam's shampoo bottles was their nitro in them?

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

OK. As I thought you have no proof, yet somehow claim "intelligent people" just "know". :rofl:

And to show just how much you understand the situation, you ask me proof of WMDs. :lol: Thanks for playing!

anatman · Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:33 am Post subject:

Patriot911 wrote: OK. As I thought you have no proof, yet somehow claim "intelligent people" just "know". :rofl:

And to show just how much you understand the situation, you ask me proof of WMDs. :lol: Thanks for playing!
Of course you would not have the faintest clue of what intelligent people can surmise from seemingly unconnected facts. :-|

I see now that you have nothing to say; you just wish to taunt. I think it's best I just ignore you from now on. Anyone else care to ignore this fellow? Please feel free! :lol:

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

I know intelligent people, when faced with the facts, don't instead believe a bunch of proven lies, guesses, misinformation and unproveable claims. That is part of what makes them intelligent. You have failed to come up with proof of who was behind 9/11, yet believe you know who did it. How? Especially in light of all the other evidence including the repeated admission by the man who masterminded the plot that Al Qaeda was behind it? I have yet to see a single aspect of the conspiracy theory that can hold up under close inspection. There are lots of aspects that sound plausible at first and the gullible people such as yourself get s*cked into believing them. Then, in order to prove to the world that you aren't a fool for being s*cked in so easily, you (conspiracy theorists in general) stick to your theories regardless of how improbable, impossible or flat out false they are.

As for having nothing to say, you've provided no basis for debate. I've asked you to prove your claims and you've failed miserably. Just claiming most "intelligent" people think something only shows your own ignorance on the matter.