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Superfly · Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 5243 Location: Tornado Alley

Free Thinkr wrote: Superfly wrote: ideal wrote: As a child, I considered the Stars and Bars as a symbol of racism. After seeing the cross-section of people who present it, I consider it to be a symbol of nonexceptance of government control over people or regions(hence, 'rebel' flag). This really seems to be the most common usage these days and I would use it were I participating in a protest of unjust laws.

See, hon, this is my problem. I know, I know - I have the tendancy to stereotype.. but if I saw you waving that flag, Ideal, I'd think you were a racist who hated black people and Jewish people.
Kind of ironic, isn't it?

I never said it wasn't wrong. In fact, I am the first to admit that it is wrong to stereotype - but I still do it from time to time. Everyone does. *shrugs*

Superfly · Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 5243 Location: Tornado Alley

Cyro wrote: Superfly wrote: Cyro wrote: wannabe wrote: em.......did I kill the thread?

That could only be considered a good thing really.

And why is that?

Because everyone is getting whiny about it.

So sorry to intrude on your perfect day. :roll:

If every thread on this board was stopped because it got whiny, half the threads would be over. If you don't like what's being said here, then don't read the damn thread.

Pretty simple, really.

Cyro · Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 3627 Location: Moab

Superfly wrote: Cyro wrote: Superfly wrote: Cyro wrote: wannabe wrote: em.......did I kill the thread?

That could only be considered a good thing really.

And why is that?

Because everyone is getting whiny about it.

So sorry to intrude on your perfect day. :roll:

If every thread on this board was stopped because it got whiny, half the threads would be over. If you don't like what's being said here, then don't read the damn thread.

Pretty simple, really.

I was just saying I thought it was good it stopped, I never asked for whiney threads to be shut down.

Anarko-Kapitalizt · Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 2517

The Confederate Flag to me represents a country that was unjustly invaded and destroyed.

David · Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 12423 Location: Louisiana

:lol: There's a few million southerners that will agree with you.

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: The Confederate Flag to me represents a country that was unjustly invaded and destroyed.

So, you're in support of slavery?

levin893 · Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 177 Location: L.A.

The Confederate flag represents a time of instability and ignorance. I think that America has come a long way from that and still has a long way to go. If anything, I'm reminded of what never to do again.

Cyro · Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 3627 Location: Moab

Ek0nomik wrote: Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: The Confederate Flag to me represents a country that was unjustly invaded and destroyed.

So, you're in support of slavery?

The American civil war had little to do with slavery, that was simply the Governments PR cover. They destroyed the southern states right to succession and did so because they needed the high taxes of those in the South.

Anarko-Kapitalizt · Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 2517

Ek0nomik wrote: Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: The Confederate Flag to me represents a country that was unjustly invaded and destroyed.

So, you're in support of slavery?

So you believe Lincoln killed 600,000 people because he wanted to end slavery? Lincoln was never against slavery. Lincoln was also the biggest tyrrant in US histroy and I feel his assasination was justified.

History is always written by the victors.

Anarko-Kapitalizt · Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 2517

Cyro wrote: Ek0nomik wrote: Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: The Confederate Flag to me represents a country that was unjustly invaded and destroyed.

So, you're in support of slavery?

The American civil war had little to do with slavery, that was simply the Governments PR cover. They destroyed the southern states right to succession and did so because they needed the high taxes of those in the South.

Lincoln believed the South didn't have a right to seceed. He believed the Union was compulsory but when the US was founded it was looked at as a confederacy of independent states that had the right to leave whenever they saw necessary.

But yeah the War to Prevent Southern Independence as I call it (the American Civil War was not a civil war by any stretch of the word) was over tarrifs and secession.

EugenicHegemony · Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 4658

Anyone who thinks the confederate flag is a symbol of racism is either an idiot, or completely ignorant of history.

Anarko-Kapitalizt · Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 2517

EugenicHegemony wrote: Anyone who thinks the confederate flag is a symbol of racism is either an idiot, or completely ignorant of history.

Agreed.

Superfly · Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 5243 Location: Tornado Alley

EugenicHegemony wrote: Anyone who thinks the confederate flag is a symbol of racism is either an idiot, or completely ignorant of history.

No need to be nasty about it. Just because something meant one thing 150 years ago doesn't mean it still means the same thing today. That has nothing to do with ignorance.

And again, alot of it is about perception. One person's perception about the flag is different from another's. That's the reason for this thread.

Not to belittle people because they have a different perception on something than you do.

EugenicHegemony · Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 4658

Superfly wrote: EugenicHegemony wrote: Anyone who thinks the confederate flag is a symbol of racism is either an idiot, or completely ignorant of history.

No need to be nasty about it. Just because something meant one thing 150 years ago doesn't mean it still means the same thing today. That has nothing to do with ignorance.

And again, alot of it is about perception. One person's perception about the flag is different from another's. That's the reason for this thread.

Not to belittle people because they have a different perception on something than you do. Sorry to tell you. The confederate flag never stood for or meant slavery. I'm not "belittling" anyone. If they think it means or meant slavery, then I've said my peace. Idiots can "perceive" anything they please. Factual history will crush any subjective ideas anyone has on this purposely revised historic subject.

micfranklin · Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject:

EugenicHegemony wrote: Anyone who thinks the confederate flag is a symbol of racism is either an idiot, or completely ignorant of history.

I think I'll second that :tu:

Superfly · Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 5243 Location: Tornado Alley

EugenicHegemony wrote: Superfly wrote: EugenicHegemony wrote: Anyone who thinks the confederate flag is a symbol of racism is either an idiot, or completely ignorant of history.

No need to be nasty about it. Just because something meant one thing 150 years ago doesn't mean it still means the same thing today. That has nothing to do with ignorance.

And again, alot of it is about perception. One person's perception about the flag is different from another's. That's the reason for this thread.

Not to belittle people because they have a different perception on something than you do. Sorry to tell you. The confederate flag never stood for or meant slavery. I'm not "belittling" anyone. If they think it means or meant slavery, then I've said my peace. Idiots can "perceive" anything they please. Factual history will crush any subjective ideas anyone has on this purposely revised historic subject.

Honestly, I could give a rat's ass what it meant 150 years ago. What I asked is what it meant today. Very obviously it meant something different 150 years ago than it does today, or at least the way some people percieve it.

If you don't think it's a racist symbol, good for you. Happy to hear your opinion on the subject, as I am also happy to hear others' opinions as well.

levin893 · Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 177 Location: L.A.

I can't respect anyone who chooses to value the Confederate flag.

micfranklin · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:05 am Post subject:

levin893 wrote: I can't respect anyone who chooses to value the Confederate flag.

A flag is a piece of cloth. It's the symbol(s) behind it that makes it something other than it once stood for, like pride in the South at one point.

Anarko-Kapitalizt · Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 2517

levin893 wrote: I can't respect anyone who chooses to value the Confederate flag.

Why?

Headrattle · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 2124

Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: levin893 wrote: I can't respect anyone who chooses to value the Confederate flag.

Why?

I don't know. Maybe is it a symbol of whiney idiots who couldn't have their way legally in the nation that they were a part of so they decided to take their ball and go home. Oh yeah, the Civil War wasn't just about slavery. That is true. But guess what. It was in part, about slavery. Slavery was one of the main issues.

As a southerner Born and Raised I am first an American and I find it treasonous to find pride in the Confederate Flag. A Flag that represents treason against the government and an illegal and unjust way of life. If you think that the Confederate States wouldn't still have slavery, or at least only abolish slavery due to outside influance, you are wrong. It is obvious in the times of the Civil War and the times after that Slavery was a main issue. If you don't understand that, you are blinding yourself to history.