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[LDS Patriot]

I get reports from Stratfor.com, and this is a paraphrasing of a special report, Israeal At Odds With Itself.

Israelis have a saying, “When the cannon roar, we fall silent.” Meaning, as a general rule, partisan bickering and even public contention and controversy are impermissible. This rule has clearly been abandoned in this war.

The public divisions in the Israeli government are at an all time high, moving from extremely confused to the chaotic. The public feuding of government ministers such as the prime minister and foreign minister are unprecedented.

On the one hand the government is saying that the Lebanon offensive will substantially increase today, yet at the same time it is ready to accept yesterday’s cease-fire resolution. The IDF has brought strong pressure to be unleashed and do what they do best, win wars. Yet some government leaders have hinted they have no confidence in the military. And the media has picked up on this so the cacophony and rancor will increase sharply.

The division stems from two conflicting schools of thought: a) defeating Hezbollah will require re-occupation of parts of Lebanon, which will invariably lead to a counterinsurgency thus incurring unacceptable losses via attrition over time, and b) the risk of not doing just that is a much higher cost of the war because it will leave Hezbollah intact, making Hezbollah the victor, thus simultaneously significantly lowering Israel’s military prestige while significantly increasing Hezbollah’s prestige.

Olmert embodies both views, and this vacillation is will cost him politically. Some have speculated that this vacillation was a psyche attack against Hezbollah, but the real damage is to the Israeli psyche.

The cease-fire lacks a timetable. Add to that its requirement of the Lebanese government to disarm Hezbollah, a problem the Lebanese have not been able to address in the past and will be powerless to comply in the future. Only after that the French are to be added.

So Olmert can accept the cease-fire in theory simply because there is no timeline and disarming Hezbollah is not going to happen. And the cease-fire blames Hezbollah for this war and allows Israel to continue to defend itself.

What is clear is that the Israeli leadership is genuinely concerned about something, what exactly is that concern no one outside the inner circle knows. It’s beyond the obvious at this point. For example, the Israeli public can certainly deal with a high casualties as long as the mission is being accomplished, namely the dismantling and destruction of Hezbollah’s military capacity to strike Israel.

Something is holding Israel back, and fear of casualties is not it. The paralysis and increased confusion of the Israeli government only adds to the mixture of unease, in Israel and worldwide.

Israel can defeat militarily Hezbollah; it’s only a function of time. An imminent cease-fire is what Iran and Hezbollah want so they can propagate it’s claim of victory in the conflict to demoralizing Israelis while emboldening it’s fellow militant Islamics.

What next? Israeli troops may indeed yet be unleashed attacking Hezbollah in it’s traditional lightening fashion.

What does this all mean at the moment? Hezbollah’s emboldening & nerves have not been rattled. Israelis nerves, on the other hand, have been become rattled and flustered. All is not well in Zion.

[thatisnotme]

Olmert's indecision has caused Israel to delay the major offensive that should have taken place from day one. If Israel comes out badly, Olmert is finished politically.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

thatisnotme wrote: Olmert's indecision has caused Israel to delay the major offensive that should have taken place from day one. If Israel comes out badly, Olmert is finished politically.

No, it was foolish to be dragged into this war from day 1 when it was obvious that it would not be a winnable war. Despite its military victories on the ground against Hezbollah, Israel has lost the political battle. And that is unfortunate as Israel is increasingly becoming another tool for American policies in the region.

[thatisnotme]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: thatisnotme wrote: Olmert's indecision has caused Israel to delay the major offensive that should have taken place from day one. If Israel comes out badly, Olmert is finished politically.

No, it was foolish to be dragged into this war from day 1 when it was obvious that it would not be a winnable war. Despite its military victories on the ground against Hezbollah, Israel has lost the political battle. And that is unfortunate as Israel is increasingly becoming another tool for American policies in the region.

Foolish was to wait so long. Imagine at the rate Hezbollah was amassing rockets, in 3-4years, it would have had 50,000 rockets instead of the est. 10,000 and Israel would have been cooked.

[Duchifas]

It's hard to put in words what I think about Olmert, so I won't be long. The fact that Nasrallah is happy about this "cease-fire" should be a telling sign.

In mind, Olmert has outdone Rabin as the worst, stupidest, and most incompetent leader in Israeli history.

Sadly, he is only a few months into his term, so there is plenty damage to be done by him. No doubt about that.

[Duchifas]

Surprisingly, a very good article from Time Magazine:

Quote: World
The High Price of Israel's Hubris
If the country's military hadn't rejected a U.S. offer to supply it with "bunker buster" bombs four years ago, it might not be having as tough a time against Hizballah - or being criticized for its handling of the war
By TIM MCGIRK/JERUSALEM
SUBSCRIBE TO TIMEPRINTE-MAILMORE BY AUTHOR

* Analysis: Behind Israel's Delayed Invasion
* Diplomacy: The Deal That Could Disarm Hizballah

* Related Blogs: Click here for blog postings from around the web that are related to the topic of this article.

Posted Friday, Aug. 11, 2006
In 2002, the Pentagon offered to supply Israel with "bunker-buster" bombs, capable of punching deep into the enemy's underground defenses. Israel's air force chief at the time, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, — who, as Chief of Staff, is currently commanding Israel's air, sea and land strikes in Lebanon — rejected Washington's offer, claiming that Israel had its own superb weapons. But with the "bunker-busters", says a senior Tel Aviv intelligence source, Israel could have knocked out most of Hizballah's rocket-launchers and possibly brought the war to an early close.

Instead, as the war drags into a fifth week, Hizballah is still pounding Israel's northern cities with over 150 rockets a day. Though Israeli intelligence determined early on exactly where most of those rockets were being fired from — launchers hidden in 38 underground bunkers, burrowed 6 yards down on rocky hilltops across southern Lebanon — Halutz's vaunted Israeli-made "air fuel" bombs have failed to destroy them. So last month, a top intelligence source told TIME, Israel put in an urgent request for precision-guided, 5,000 lb "bunker-buster" bombs. The Bush Administration complied, but it will take several weeks for the bombs to be fitted onto Israeli jets; Israel has also requested an urgent delivery of short-range rockets armed with cluster bombs from the U.S., according to the New York Times. But by the time any of this advanced arsenal arrives, a United Nations cease-fire will probably be imposed banning Israeli air strikes. "If we'd had the bunker-busters in the first few days," laments this senior intelligence officer, "We'd be in an entirely different situation today against Hizballah."

Today's 'situation' is not one that agrees with most Israelis. Promised a swift, knock-out punch against Hizballah's Islamic militiamen, Israelis are now being told that in order to neutralize Hizballah — forget about destroying them — they must brace for a bloody ground attack in Lebanon that could cost hundreds of soldiers' lives. Increasingly, Israelis are asking: how could a militia force of only 4,000 fighters withstand a prolonged beating by the mightiest army in the Middle East — and still keep pelting Israeli cities with rockets?

If a U.N.-sponsored cease-fire goes into effect — and diplomats suggested Friday that they were close to a truce deal backed by a 15,000 strong international force — the after-shock of the Lebanon war is expected to shake-up the top echelons of the Israeli military, and it may even threaten Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's coalition government. Israelis overwhelmingly supported Olmert's initial decision to strike hard against Hizballah. But the latest opinion polls by Yediot Ahronot newspaper show a drop in the public's confidence with Olmert, his war cabinet and with the generals.

That confidence nose-dived earlier this week after Olmert and his ministers began quarrelling furiously over the course of the war. A once decisive prime minister was looking dithery. A major ground offensive was twice postponed by Olmert, though there were reports Friday that Olmert had finally decided to go forward with the operation. The Israeli press reported scalding rows between Olmert and his foreign minister — who pressed for a diplomatic solution when Olmert was pondering an all-out attack — and between Olmert and the defense minister and his army generals, who wanted to land a major blow against Hizballah on Thursday when the prime minister was stricken with doubts over such a risky move. At the same time Halutz sidelined his northern commander, responsible for the day-to-day running of the ground war. Ma'ariv newspaper columnist Ben Caspit fumed: " This campaign was conducted negligently, hesitantly, indecisively. When we needed to attack, we waited. When we should have waited, we attacked. "

As Chief of Staff, Haltuz may end up taking most of the blame. A no-nonsense fighter pilot who was the favorite of former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon — to the extent that some insiders say Sharon was grooming Halutz, not Olmert, to replace him some day as prime minister — Halutz, 58, at first impressed Israelis with his Top Gun swagger and aviator glasses. Once asked how it felt to drop a bomb on people, he replied: " I feel a light bump to the plane as a result of the bomb's release. A second later and it's gone, and that's all. That is what I feel. "

Waving aside the offer of American-made "bunker-busters" is only one example of Halutz's famous hubris. In a remark that will surely haunt him during the inevitable rash of post-war inquiries, Halutz said on July 14th, "In this day and age, with all the technology we have, there is no reason to start sending ground troops in." A month later, he was ready to order in thousands of troops as the only way to defeat Hizballlah. Granted, Haltuz made the comment after his air force managed to destroy most of Hizballah's arsenal of long-range missiles, capable of reaching Tel Aviv, in the opening salvos of the conflict. Back then, it seemed only a matter of days, or hours, before an Israeli smart-bomb would find its way to the lair of Hizballah chief Hassan Nasrallah. That possibility now seems a longshot.

With tanks revving their engines and over 20,000 troops already inside Lebanon, Olmert has had good reason to be cautious about an expanded ground invasion. As of Friday, the war has cost 124 Israeli lives, 84 of them soldiers. The 1982 Lebanon war bogged Israeli forces down in Lebanon for 18 years and was a disaster. Olmert was told that a major thrust 14 miles north to the Litani river and beyond, as envisioned by Halutz and the other generals, could drag on for another six weeks and leave hundreds of Israeli soldiers dead. Worst of all, the generals told Olmert that they could only guarantee taking out "70%" of Hizballah's rocket capacity. A cease-fire suddenly started looking good. On Thursday Olmert had decided to wait several days for a U.N. resolution, despite his generals' urgings to roll the tanks, but a day later he seemed to have changed his mind once again.

Once the cease-fire starts, both sides will surely claim victory. Nasrallah will declare himself a new champion of the Arab world for having survived the Israeli onslaught and terrorized 1.5 million Israelis with his blindly flung rockets. (In Palestine's West Bank, recordings of his speeches and ballads of Hizballah warriors are hot sellers.) The Israelis can argue they pushed back Hizballah from the border, killed hundreds of their fighters and replaced enemy militiamen along the border with regular Lebanese army troops and tough international forces. Israel may even be able to exchange its own Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners for two captive Israeli soldiers.( A third soldier was kidnapped by Palestinians militants Hamas, and a senior Hamas official told TIME that his release will depend on what Hizballah decides to do with its two Israeli hostages.) But many Israelis are worried that if they stop fighting now, they will have lost a weapon far more valuable than any "bunker-buster" — the Israeli army's aura of invincibility. And for that loss in this Lebanese war, more than any other casualty, Olmert and his top generals may pay dearly. - With reporting by Jamil Hamad/Nablus and Aaron J. Klein/Jerusalem

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1225882,00.html

[Plato & Socrates]

Duchifas wrote: It's hard to put in words what I think about Olmert, so I won't be long. The fact that Nasrallah is happy about this "cease-fire" should be a telling sign.

A war of attrition against Israel for Hezbollah is not winnable. Anything other than total defeat against the IDF is a victory, Nasrallah knows this. Plus Hezbollah is still intact, I wonder what the hell was this mini-war for?

[psholtz]

Duchifas wrote: Surprisingly, a very good article from Time Magazine:
Surprisingly predictable article from Time as well..

[cap'n queasy]

Duchifas wrote: Surprisingly, a very good article from Time Magazine:

Quote: World
The High Price of Israel's Hubris
If the country's military hadn't rejected a U.S. offer to supply it with "bunker buster" bombs four years ago, it might not be having as tough a time against Hizballah - or being criticized for its handling of the war
By TIM MCGIRK/JERUSALEM
SUBSCRIBE TO TIMEPRINTE-MAILMORE BY AUTHOR

* Analysis: Behind Israel's Delayed Invasion
* Diplomacy: The Deal That Could Disarm Hizballah

* Related Blogs: Click here for blog postings from around the web that are related to the topic of this article.

Posted Friday, Aug. 11, 2006
In 2002, the Pentagon offered to supply Israel with "bunker-buster" bombs, capable of punching deep into the enemy's underground defenses. Israel's air force chief at the time, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, — who, as Chief of Staff, is currently commanding Israel's air, sea and land strikes in Lebanon — rejected Washington's offer, claiming that Israel had its own superb weapons. But with the "bunker-busters", says a senior Tel Aviv intelligence source, Israel could have knocked out most of Hizballah's rocket-launchers and possibly brought the war to an early close.

Instead, as the war drags into a fifth week, Hizballah is still pounding Israel's northern cities with over 150 rockets a day. Though Israeli intelligence determined early on exactly where most of those rockets were being fired from — launchers hidden in 38 underground bunkers, burrowed 6 yards down on rocky hilltops across southern Lebanon — Halutz's vaunted Israeli-made "air fuel" bombs have failed to destroy them. So last month, a top intelligence source told TIME, Israel put in an urgent request for precision-guided, 5,000 lb "bunker-buster" bombs. The Bush Administration complied, but it will take several weeks for the bombs to be fitted onto Israeli jets; Israel has also requested an urgent delivery of short-range rockets armed with cluster bombs from the U.S., according to the New York Times. But by the time any of this advanced arsenal arrives, a United Nations cease-fire will probably be imposed banning Israeli air strikes. "If we'd had the bunker-busters in the first few days," laments this senior intelligence officer, "We'd be in an entirely different situation today against Hizballah."

Today's 'situation' is not one that agrees with most Israelis. Promised a swift, knock-out punch against Hizballah's Islamic militiamen, Israelis are now being told that in order to neutralize Hizballah — forget about destroying them — they must brace for a bloody ground attack in Lebanon that could cost hundreds of soldiers' lives. Increasingly, Israelis are asking: how could a militia force of only 4,000 fighters withstand a prolonged beating by the mightiest army in the Middle East — and still keep pelting Israeli cities with rockets?

If a U.N.-sponsored cease-fire goes into effect — and diplomats suggested Friday that they were close to a truce deal backed by a 15,000 strong international force — the after-shock of the Lebanon war is expected to shake-up the top echelons of the Israeli military, and it may even threaten Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's coalition government. Israelis overwhelmingly supported Olmert's initial decision to strike hard against Hizballah. But the latest opinion polls by Yediot Ahronot newspaper show a drop in the public's confidence with Olmert, his war cabinet and with the generals.

That confidence nose-dived earlier this week after Olmert and his ministers began quarrelling furiously over the course of the war. A once decisive prime minister was looking dithery. A major ground offensive was twice postponed by Olmert, though there were reports Friday that Olmert had finally decided to go forward with the operation. The Israeli press reported scalding rows between Olmert and his foreign minister — who pressed for a diplomatic solution when Olmert was pondering an all-out attack — and between Olmert and the defense minister and his army generals, who wanted to land a major blow against Hizballah on Thursday when the prime minister was stricken with doubts over such a risky move. At the same time Halutz sidelined his northern commander, responsible for the day-to-day running of the ground war. Ma'ariv newspaper columnist Ben Caspit fumed: " This campaign was conducted negligently, hesitantly, indecisively. When we needed to attack, we waited. When we should have waited, we attacked. "

As Chief of Staff, Haltuz may end up taking most of the blame. A no-nonsense fighter pilot who was the favorite of former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon — to the extent that some insiders say Sharon was grooming Halutz, not Olmert, to replace him some day as prime minister — Halutz, 58, at first impressed Israelis with his Top Gun swagger and aviator glasses. Once asked how it felt to drop a bomb on people, he replied: " I feel a light bump to the plane as a result of the bomb's release. A second later and it's gone, and that's all. That is what I feel. "

Waving aside the offer of American-made "bunker-busters" is only one example of Halutz's famous hubris. In a remark that will surely haunt him during the inevitable rash of post-war inquiries, Halutz said on July 14th, "In this day and age, with all the technology we have, there is no reason to start sending ground troops in." A month later, he was ready to order in thousands of troops as the only way to defeat Hizballlah. Granted, Haltuz made the comment after his air force managed to destroy most of Hizballah's arsenal of long-range missiles, capable of reaching Tel Aviv, in the opening salvos of the conflict. Back then, it seemed only a matter of days, or hours, before an Israeli smart-bomb would find its way to the lair of Hizballah chief Hassan Nasrallah. That possibility now seems a longshot.

With tanks revving their engines and over 20,000 troops already inside Lebanon, Olmert has had good reason to be cautious about an expanded ground invasion. As of Friday, the war has cost 124 Israeli lives, 84 of them soldiers. The 1982 Lebanon war bogged Israeli forces down in Lebanon for 18 years and was a disaster. Olmert was told that a major thrust 14 miles north to the Litani river and beyond, as envisioned by Halutz and the other generals, could drag on for another six weeks and leave hundreds of Israeli soldiers dead. Worst of all, the generals told Olmert that they could only guarantee taking out "70%" of Hizballah's rocket capacity. A cease-fire suddenly started looking good. On Thursday Olmert had decided to wait several days for a U.N. resolution, despite his generals' urgings to roll the tanks, but a day later he seemed to have changed his mind once again.

Once the cease-fire starts, both sides will surely claim victory. Nasrallah will declare himself a new champion of the Arab world for having survived the Israeli onslaught and terrorized 1.5 million Israelis with his blindly flung rockets. (In Palestine's West Bank, recordings of his speeches and ballads of Hizballah warriors are hot sellers.) The Israelis can argue they pushed back Hizballah from the border, killed hundreds of their fighters and replaced enemy militiamen along the border with regular Lebanese army troops and tough international forces. Israel may even be able to exchange its own Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners for two captive Israeli soldiers.( A third soldier was kidnapped by Palestinians militants Hamas, and a senior Hamas official told TIME that his release will depend on what Hizballah decides to do with its two Israeli hostages.) But many Israelis are worried that if they stop fighting now, they will have lost a weapon far more valuable than any "bunker-buster" — the Israeli army's aura of invincibility. And for that loss in this Lebanese war, more than any other casualty, Olmert and his top generals may pay dearly. - With reporting by Jamil Hamad/Nablus and Aaron J. Klein/Jerusalem

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1225882,00.html

They should have known they were going to need the "bunker-busters" in the first place.

Surely they knew what the Hezbollah situation was in the area.

That was a serious mistake.

[Duchifas]

Plato & Socrates wrote: Duchifas wrote: It's hard to put in words what I think about Olmert, so I won't be long. The fact that Nasrallah is happy about this "cease-fire" should be a telling sign.

A war of attrition against Israel for Hezbollah is not winnable. Anything other than total defeat against the IDF is a victory, Nasrallah knows this. Plus Hezbollah is still intact, I wonder what the hell was this mini-war for?

Yes, this mini-war was quite useless. All those soldiers killed for nothing. Israel's North under fire for a month for nothing. All the dead Lebanese civilians for nothing. The captured soldiers, still captured. Nasrallah is quite a happy camper.

The next round will be much more painful for both sides, as a result of Israeli government sheer incompetence and indecisiveness.

I just hope that when the next round comes, somebody with balls is in the Prime Minister's chair.

[mendosan]

I was just thinking what would Sharon have done differently?

[Duchifas]

mendosan wrote: I was just thinking what would Sharon have done differently?

Sharon, back when he was Sharon, would have shipped off Hizbollah to Iran. In coffins.

At the same time, it was Sharon and Mofaz who allowed Hizbollah to establish itself firmly in S. Lebanon during his tenure for 5 years. I'd say he shares at least as much blame for this as Olmert, the combined of whom pale in comparison to Barak's idiocy.

So my guess is that the latter-day Sharon probably would have done nothing differently from Olmert. He was too preoccupied lately with uprooting Israeli communities.

[whynot]

thatisnotme wrote: Olmert's indecision has caused Israel to delay the major offensive that should have taken place from day one. If Israel comes out badly, Olmert is finished politically.

hahaha
you try to make olmert pay the price of defeat
olmert realy has no indicision; he make the israel war machine work with cent per cent from the day one
but the problem for you jewws is that you hav'ent real idee what hisblah and what is her power
the israel and usa strategfy in war is to let air army prepar the field before the army enter , we can say that the air army has makt the maximum what they can , they makt the maximum crimes , but when the war comt to the face of man against man , in this stade the real courageux and brave men's appear(hisbolah) and the sheeps appear (israelits)

[Yoadm]

you try to make olmert pay the price of defeat
olmert realy has no indicision; he make the israel war machine work with cent per cent from the day one

From the first week, NO large operations were carried in lebanon. The next 2 weeks involved incursions with up to 6,600 troops. Military doctrin states you need a 5:1 advantage in forces when fighting an insurgency in urban warfare.

Olmert did not call up the reserves in time, and only agreed to send in a sufficient number of troops 48 hours before the cease fire.

In those 48 hours, Hezbullah was getting close to being surrounded in s.lebanon, with troops pushing north, and at the same time 2,000 troops being air dropped north of hezbullah to the Litani.

The war ended with hezbullah low on food/ammunition.
been a bit more modest than you are now :)

Btw, speaking of air-power, only a fraction of Israel's air-power was used in this conflict.

[whynot]

if you have finished your war as a winner , why you have accepted to cease fear
why your soldiers appear so happy to return to israel
after this war israel can no more sell their arms to world since this arms has prouve that they can be only a games for chinldren ; for exemple the tank merkava has become in this war a Tomb for their teams

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Yoadm]

if you have finished your war as a winner , why you have accepted to cease fear


For 2 reasons:

1: An expanded operation would turn opinion against us. We will be conquerors and not people defending our country.

2: The cease fire agreement gave us exactly what we wanted:

-Return of the soldiers.
-Hezbullah disarmed in the south.
-Lebanese army moving south.


What you should ask yourself: If hezbullah was winning, why did it agree to such a humiliating cease fire? Once you can answer that question I will no longer consider you deluded.



for exemple the tank merkava has become in this war a Tomb for their teams


Funny, only 16 tank crewmembers were killed througout the whole war. The Merkava was built to protect the crew, so I consider it an achievement of the first degree, especially because the tanks hit were mostly old outdated models, that still saved the crewmembers 90% of the time.

[whynot]

Quote:
1: An expanded operation would turn opinion against us. We will be conquerors and not people defending our country.

dont speak about anything israel is built on stealing lands of other people










Quote: Funny, only 16 tank crewmembers were killed througout the whole war. The Merkava was built to protect the crew, so I consider it an achievement of the first degree, especially because the tanks hit were mostly old outdated models, that still saved the crewmembers 90% of the time .[/quote]

you have been not good informed ,
16 tank was ecrased on only one day for prouve you can ask the sioniste that returns from the lebannon sud

[Yoadm]

Quote: Funny, only 16 tank crewmembers were killed througout the whole war. The Merkava was built to protect the crew, so I consider it an achievement of the first degree, especially because the tanks hit were mostly old outdated models, that still saved the crewmembers 90% of the time .[/quote]

you have been not good informed ,
16 tank was ecrased on only one day for prouve you can ask the sioniste that returns from the lebannon sud[/quote]


Sorry, You have not been informed.
30 tanks were hit, 10 were destroyed, during the whole war. The rest were lightly-badly damaged.

Only 16 tank crewmembers were killed, and all except 4 of them from the older mk2-mk3 versions.



Btw, last post I asked you a question: If hezbullah "won", why did it agree to such a humiliating agreement?

I allso predicted you would be unable to answer this question :wink:

[whynot]

Quote:
Btw, last post I asked you a question: If hezbullah "won", why did it agree to such a humiliating agreement?

I allso predicted you would be unable to answer this question

hisbollah has accepted the UN resolution ; this resolution is searched by israel and usa and is condamne israel to go out of lebannon.

the war end without israel arrive to this objective : recupurate they 2 soldiers and finish the power of hisbollah
either the first and second objectif has not completed

for hisbolah that accept to arret the war , because you have to remind hisbollah is only a partie of lebannon parties and the other micky mouse parties in lebannon and other arabs country dont arret to say : we want peace with this criminal regime named israel.

if we get a majority of leader on arabs countries als the heros nasr allah we sould have finished with this cancer (israel) for long time before

[Yoadm]

hisbollah has accepted the UN resolution ; this resolution is searched by israel and usa and is condamne israel to go out of lebannon.

The resolution put the blame of the war on Hezbullah. You should read up on it before inventing makeshift resolutions :)

Further, the resolution calls for an international force to dismantle hezbullah.

Third, the resolution calls for the return of the 2 soldiers.

Hezbullah accepted this resolution, and had it been winning, it never would have accepted it.


we want peace with this criminal regime named israel.


Hezbullah has to answer for the desctruction of much of lebanons infastructure. Hezbullah has to answer why its fighting Israel (provoking it without reason) and fighting to the last lebanese.

- Further, Hezbullah has to answer to using Lebanese civilians as human shields, the cowards.

- It has to answer to shooting only from urban areas, so as to cause maximum dead lebanese civilians.

This Cancer (hezbullah) is only alive now because Israel fought with 2 hands tied behind its back, not wanting to harm civilians (when the targets were hisbullah militants) so as not to anger the international community.

You should be thankfull that we are more moral than hezbollah, because if we had their ethics, there wouldnt have been a man left standing in lebanon.