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[_Locke_]

Well I have some questions about Adam and Eve. I have not read the bible but I just have a clear understanding of them. First two humans that were cast to Earth and soon started the human race, bla bla... But I want to know a little more indepth. Sorry if the questions have been asked or the Bible explains it, as I have said I have not read the bible to know and if u can answer my questions u will great help to me. Also please don't be an a-hole, I have ran into people that like to start things but I just want answers and reasons (please excuse my spelling, not a great speller)

My questions -

1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?

2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?

3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.

4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?

5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?

6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened.


Thnak you for those of who answer my questions, I may be rough on the questins but I want to know more indepth about Adam and Eve and not just little answers but proof or reason behind the answers. If they are to hard to answer then does that prove that Adam and Eve is just a story? This may upset people because I have learned that questions that need anwers and reasons or proof for the answers can make people angry because this is not what they want, they want to think that what they beleive is pure, so doesn't that mean the truth have the answers and reasons?

Thank You for all who answer my questions, this is just some stuff that I want to ask and get to understand more, and I will be back later after this topic is well over dead to ask more questions about other things.

[Aqualung]

_Locke_ wrote: 1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?
Well, for the sake of this argument, I guess we'll have to assume they were.

Quote: 2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian.
I don't know. I always picture them as white, simply because most painting of them are eurocentric.

Quote: And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?
Because very shortly after they were around, God decided to confound the languages of the people and send them off to different parts of the world. Parts where, say, black skin would be better than white.

Quote: 3. What language did they speak?
The same language God speaks. A perfected one.

Quote: If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language?
Do you mean why DIDN'T they? I'm going to pretend you did, because that makes more sense, but if you didn't, say so. :!oops:

Because shortly after they were around, God confounded their languages and sent them off to different parts of the world, and then THOSE languages subsequently evolved even more.

Quote: 4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?
Mutations only happen now because our DNA structure already has so many mutations in it all the time. Theirs woulnd't have.

Quote: 5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?
I believe they DID stick with their religion, and taught it to their children. But their children didn't see God. Their children's children didn't. And by the time of their children's children's children the memory of "somebody" in their family "seeing God" was probably more of a myth than anything real.

Quote: 6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened.
Isn't this the same as question number one?

Quote: If they are to hard to answer then does that prove that Adam and Eve is just a story?
No, it just means we don't understand it very well. For example, can you tell me why person A who has cancer dies within a year and person B who has cancer in the same place and in the same severity doesn't? Can you tell me how light has mass? There is NO consensus on how gravity works. Does that mean gravity doesn't exist? Is gravity JUST a story?

[TheTME]

My guess is that they wouldn't be "white" or black". They probably wouldn't bear much resemblence to modern europeans or most ethnic groups, but would look as though they contained the genes of someone mixed in all modern races. It is hard to tell what race any ancient people are, you should see some of the debates concerning ancient egyptians. Most likely adam and eve would appear very "semetic"

[toddytodd]

_Locke_ wrote: Well I have some questions about Adam and Eve. I have not read the bible but I just have a clear understanding of them. First two humans that were cast to Earth and soon started the human race, bla bla... But I want to know a little more indepth. Sorry if the questions have been asked or the Bible explains it, as I have said I have not read the bible to know and if u can answer my questions u will great help to me. Also please don't be an a-hole, I have ran into people that like to start things but I just want answers and reasons (please excuse my spelling, not a great speller)

My questions -

1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?

2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?

3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.

4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?

5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?

6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened.


Thnak you for those of who answer my questions, I may be rough on the questins but I want to know more indepth about Adam and Eve and not just little answers but proof or reason behind the answers. If they are to hard to answer then does that prove that Adam and Eve is just a story? This may upset people because I have learned that questions that need anwers and reasons or proof for the answers can make people angry because this is not what they want, they want to think that what they beleive is pure, so doesn't that mean the truth have the answers and reasons?

Thank You for all who answer my questions, this is just some stuff that I want to ask and get to understand more, and I will be back later after this topic is well over dead to ask more questions about other things.

My opinions:
1) I was told by more than one preacher that Adam & Eve were the first two people, but God also created others that weren't mentioned (I would assume they were created after the fall, but not sure)
2) I don't think race is mentioned on Adam & Eve. Being the garden was 'perfect', I doubt there was any need for different skin color (or race differentiation - fact is if they were the only two, then there was no 'race' at all) as the sun's rays would not have burned (everything being perfect and all)
3) Who knows. But if they are like most sci-fi movies, they probably spoke English :lol: Seriously though, I don't think the bible mentions it specifically.
4) See my response for #1. OR - many might say "God wanted to super cede the natural laws by (cloning, or whatever) so there was no genetic defects due to inner-breeding."
5) Even if they did 'stick to one religion', people's nature is to deviate from the norm so more than one religion would have arose eventually.
6) There isn't much proof of much in the bible that happened exactly how the bible says it happened. Many stories have some thread of truth to them, but I don't know of any off the top of my head that is 100% believable objectively

My view of Genesis' story is (as is most of the bible itself) God tried to explain what happened (much like our science today tells us how it happened) but the people writing the story weren't smart enough to understand it so they wrote it how they understood it. This and the fact that most of the bible are stories told to teach lesson - much like Jesus did with his parables in the New Testament.
I have learned that when many devoutly religious people don't know something, instead of saying "Gee - I'm not sure.." they say 'Because God said so" and leave it at that. To me, that is nothing more than a cough-out; showing how, while they don't know (which there is nothing wrong with saying I don't know if one doesn't know), they still try to save face with their faith and their beliefs.

If you really want to know more about this story, I might suggest reading the bible as well as other forms of information; archeology, biology, physics, etc. The final decision to believe the story as told, not believe it at all or meet somewhere in between, is ultimately yours to make. Good luck with your findings.

[David Kelly]

Well Adam and Eve is just a story to explain Humanity in the pre-evolution days.

As for the "Race", the 1st race still exist in fact. They are know as the "Sand People". Think of an African/Arab/Asian Hybrid.

[wormwood]

Quote: 1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?
According to older written accounts of the creation story (via Sumeria) "Adopa" was the first man, used as a model to create the first family lines. There were 7 males and 7 females. Genetically this makes sense and offers enough variance to avoid mutation. I like this version of the story so much more because it makes more sense with current scientific knowledge (which I realize doesn't make it true). For example, in the older story, the "clay" that was used was a primitive humanoid known to the Sumerians as "the wildman". The wildman is described something like we would picture neanderthals. So if the essence of "the gods" was put onto these wildmen to create humanity, not only could evolution have occurred, but this also explains why human beings have an evolutionary gap or missing link.

Quote: 2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't believe in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?
The race was the same dark skin as the depiction of the mitochondrial eve. As I have explained evolution did occur so the skin variance is normal.

Quote: 3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.
According to certain mythology, what later came to be called enochian, was the first language. Personally I think it was something more like this:
http://netmar.com/~maat/archive/dec2/boerman.htm If you read to the bottom, you will notice many languages and or phrases are hidden in the same characters.


Quote: 4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?
We covered that within somewhat normal biological terms above.

Quote: 5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?
They couldn't even obey while in the direct presence of God, why would they do better once cast out? Did you do EVERY thing your parents told you to do?

Quote: 6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened. Well like I said, I am citing clay tablets that are 5,000 years old, not just the bible. I just think the bible paraphrases the first parts of genesis, because it is based on an older tradition. The tablets deal in depth about the exploits of the Nephilim and early (or antediluvian) man, where the bible glosses right over it. This is not a mistake, the words in the bible were chosen carefully. For example, there are pages of nothing but how to measure and construct the ark of the covenant or some housing for it, yet the dawn of civilization, the first kings, and even the creation of humanity are scarcely mentioned if at all. This is because the bible is only concerned with AFTER man reconciles a relationship with God.

Just a different perspective, for what it's worth.

[melchizedek22]

_Locke_ wrote: Well I have some questions about Adam and Eve. I have not read the bible but I just have a clear understanding of them. First two humans that were cast to Earth and soon started the human race, bla bla... But I want to know a little more indepth. Sorry if the questions have been asked or the Bible explains it, as I have said I have not read the bible to know and if u can answer my questions u will great help to me. Also please don't be an a-hole, I have ran into people that like to start things but I just want answers and reasons (please excuse my spelling, not a great speller)

My questions -

1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?yes,no

2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?Adam was Black ,Eve was white,the mark of Cain is Asain Eyes

3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.?

4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?They did enter breed obviously

5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?A Sword (see Numbers 22vs22) was left to guard the Tree of Life,Holy Toledo ,Toledo means sword

6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened.Men have nipples is the proof women was taken out of man


Thnak you for those of who answer my questions, I may be rough on the questins but I want to know more indepth about Adam and Eve and not just little answers but proof or reason behind the answers. If they are to hard to answer then does that prove that Adam and Eve is just a story? This may upset people because I have learned that questions that need anwers and reasons or proof for the answers can make people angry because this is not what they want, they want to think that what they beleive is pure, so doesn't that mean the truth have the answers and reasons?

Thank You for all who answer my questions, this is just some stuff that I want to ask and get to understand more, and I will be back later after this topic is well over dead to ask more questions about other things.


"What if the man ate of the Tree of life and lived forever" What would happen if you smoked the Tree of Life?

[perdidochas]

_Locke_ wrote: Well I have some questions about Adam and Eve. I have not read the bible but I just have a clear understanding of them. First two humans that were cast to Earth and soon started the human race, bla bla... But I want to know a little more indepth. Sorry if the questions have been asked or the Bible explains it, as I have said I have not read the bible to know and if u can answer my questions u will great help to me. Also please don't be an a-hole, I have ran into people that like to start things but I just want answers and reasons (please excuse my spelling, not a great speller)

My questions -

1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?

Of course, they were told that by God. Read the first few chapters of Genesis.

_Locke_ wrote: 2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?

I presume they were probably brown. Most creationists believe in "micro-evolution" which would account for this.

_Locke_ wrote: 3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.

Not sure what language they spoke, but their children learned it like any other children--from their parents. Don't understand why this is a problem.

_Locke_ wrote: 4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?

Well, there are two explanations I've heard of this:

1) The Bible never says that God didn't create other people as well.
2) There were no genetic diseases in Adam and Eve. Genetic diseases are caused by mutations that have arisen since the Fall of Adam and Eve. The only real danger of interbreeding is the greater chance of homozygous recessive genetic diseases having a greater chance to occur.

_Locke_ wrote: 5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?

Because humans are human. We forget.

_Locke_ wrote: 6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened.


Thnak you for those of who answer my questions, I may be rough on the questins but I want to know more indepth about Adam and Eve and not just little answers but proof or reason behind the answers. If they are to hard to answer then does that prove that Adam and Eve is just a story? This may upset people because I have learned that questions that need anwers and reasons or proof for the answers can make people angry because this is not what they want, they want to think that what they beleive is pure, so doesn't that mean the truth have the answers and reasons?

Thank You for all who answer my questions, this is just some stuff that I want to ask and get to understand more, and I will be back later after this topic is well over dead to ask more questions about other things.

BTW, I'm not a creationist. I'm a Christian (specifically Catholic), and I believe the Bible to be true, though not in the factual sense. It was written for nomadic herders, and the explanations had to work for them.

[melchizedek22]

perdidochas wrote: _Locke_ wrote: Well I have some questions about Adam and Eve. I have not read the bible but I just have a clear understanding of them. First two humans that were cast to Earth and soon started the human race, bla bla... But I want to know a little more indepth. Sorry if the questions have been asked or the Bible explains it, as I have said I have not read the bible to know and if u can answer my questions u will great help to me. Also please don't be an a-hole, I have ran into people that like to start things but I just want answers and reasons (please excuse my spelling, not a great speller)

My questions -

1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?

Of course, they were told that by God. Read the first few chapters of Genesis.

_Locke_ wrote: 2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?

I presume they were probably brown. Most creationists believe in "micro-evolution" which would account for this.

_Locke_ wrote: 3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.

Not sure what language they spoke, but their children learned it like any other children--from their parents. Don't understand why this is a problem.

_Locke_ wrote: 4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?

Well, there are two explanations I've heard of this:

1) The Bible never says that God didn't create other people as well.
2) There were no genetic diseases in Adam and Eve. Genetic diseases are caused by mutations that have arisen since the Fall of Adam and Eve. The only real danger of interbreeding is the greater chance of homozygous recessive genetic diseases having a greater chance to occur.

_Locke_ wrote: 5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?

Because humans are human. We forget.

_Locke_ wrote: 6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened.


Thnak you for those of who answer my questions, I may be rough on the questins but I want to know more indepth about Adam and Eve and not just little answers but proof or reason behind the answers. If they are to hard to answer then does that prove that Adam and Eve is just a story? This may upset people because I have learned that questions that need anwers and reasons or proof for the answers can make people angry because this is not what they want, they want to think that what they beleive is pure, so doesn't that mean the truth have the answers and reasons?

Thank You for all who answer my questions, this is just some stuff that I want to ask and get to understand more, and I will be back later after this topic is well over dead to ask more questions about other things.

BTW, I'm not a creationist. I'm a Christian (specifically Catholic), and I believe the Bible to be true, though not in the factual sense. It was written for nomadic herders, and the explanations had to work for them.

I think YHWH wrote it looking a little farther down the road,than,"nomadic
herders"

[The Central Scrutinizer]

melchizedek22 wrote:
I think YHWH wrote it looking a little farther down the road,than,"nomadic
herders"

:lol:

[perdidochas]

melchizedek22 wrote: perdidochas wrote: _Locke_ wrote: Well I have some questions about Adam and Eve. I have not read the bible but I just have a clear understanding of them. First two humans that were cast to Earth and soon started the human race, bla bla... But I want to know a little more indepth. Sorry if the questions have been asked or the Bible explains it, as I have said I have not read the bible to know and if u can answer my questions u will great help to me. Also please don't be an a-hole, I have ran into people that like to start things but I just want answers and reasons (please excuse my spelling, not a great speller)

My questions -

1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?

Of course, they were told that by God. Read the first few chapters of Genesis.

_Locke_ wrote: 2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?

I presume they were probably brown. Most creationists believe in "micro-evolution" which would account for this.

_Locke_ wrote: 3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.

Not sure what language they spoke, but their children learned it like any other children--from their parents. Don't understand why this is a problem.

_Locke_ wrote: 4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?

Well, there are two explanations I've heard of this:

1) The Bible never says that God didn't create other people as well.
2) There were no genetic diseases in Adam and Eve. Genetic diseases are caused by mutations that have arisen since the Fall of Adam and Eve. The only real danger of interbreeding is the greater chance of homozygous recessive genetic diseases having a greater chance to occur.

_Locke_ wrote: 5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?

Because humans are human. We forget.

_Locke_ wrote: 6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened.


Thnak you for those of who answer my questions, I may be rough on the questins but I want to know more indepth about Adam and Eve and not just little answers but proof or reason behind the answers. If they are to hard to answer then does that prove that Adam and Eve is just a story? This may upset people because I have learned that questions that need anwers and reasons or proof for the answers can make people angry because this is not what they want, they want to think that what they beleive is pure, so doesn't that mean the truth have the answers and reasons?

Thank You for all who answer my questions, this is just some stuff that I want to ask and get to understand more, and I will be back later after this topic is well over dead to ask more questions about other things.

BTW, I'm not a creationist. I'm a Christian (specifically Catholic), and I believe the Bible to be true, though not in the factual sense. It was written for nomadic herders, and the explanations had to work for them.

I think YHWH wrote it looking a little farther down the road,than,"nomadic
herders"

Maybe, but he didnt' give enough scientific details for computer-age folks.

[eynon]

melchizedek22 wrote: perdidochas wrote: _Locke_ wrote: Well I have some questions about Adam and Eve. I have not read the bible but I just have a clear understanding of them. First two humans that were cast to Earth and soon started the human race, bla bla... But I want to know a little more indepth. Sorry if the questions have been asked or the Bible explains it, as I have said I have not read the bible to know and if u can answer my questions u will great help to me. Also please don't be an a-hole, I have ran into people that like to start things but I just want answers and reasons (please excuse my spelling, not a great speller)

My questions -

1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?

Of course, they were told that by God. Read the first few chapters of Genesis.

_Locke_ wrote: 2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?

I presume they were probably brown. Most creationists believe in "micro-evolution" which would account for this.

_Locke_ wrote: 3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.

Not sure what language they spoke, but their children learned it like any other children--from their parents. Don't understand why this is a problem.

_Locke_ wrote: 4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?

Well, there are two explanations I've heard of this:

1) The Bible never says that God didn't create other people as well.
2) There were no genetic diseases in Adam and Eve. Genetic diseases are caused by mutations that have arisen since the Fall of Adam and Eve. The only real danger of interbreeding is the greater chance of homozygous recessive genetic diseases having a greater chance to occur.

_Locke_ wrote: 5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?

Because humans are human. We forget.

_Locke_ wrote: 6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened.


Thnak you for those of who answer my questions, I may be rough on the questins but I want to know more indepth about Adam and Eve and not just little answers but proof or reason behind the answers. If they are to hard to answer then does that prove that Adam and Eve is just a story? This may upset people because I have learned that questions that need anwers and reasons or proof for the answers can make people angry because this is not what they want, they want to think that what they beleive is pure, so doesn't that mean the truth have the answers and reasons?

Thank You for all who answer my questions, this is just some stuff that I want to ask and get to understand more, and I will be back later after this topic is well over dead to ask more questions about other things.

BTW, I'm not a creationist. I'm a Christian (specifically Catholic), and I believe the Bible to be true, though not in the factual sense. It was written for nomadic herders, and the explanations had to work for them.

I think YHWH wrote it looking a little farther down the road,than,"nomadic
herders"

what's wrong with nomadic herders? universal truths are universal truths.....plus I bet they were savvier and wiser then most of your modern couch potatoes

[eynon]

wormwood wrote: Quote: 1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?
According to older written accounts of the creation story (via Sumeria) "Adopa" was the first man, used as a model to create the first family lines. There were 7 males and 7 females. Genetically this makes sense and offers enough variance to avoid mutation. I like this version of the story so much more because it makes more sense with current scientific knowledge (which I realize doesn't make it true). For example, in the older story, the "clay" that was used was a primitive humanoid known to the Sumerians as "the wildman". The wildman is described something like we would picture neanderthals. So if the essence of "the gods" was put onto these wildmen to create humanity, not only could evolution have occurred, but this also explains why human beings have an evolutionary gap or missing link.

Quote: 2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't believe in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?
The race was the same dark skin as the depiction of the mitochondrial eve. As I have explained evolution did occur so the skin variance is normal.

Quote: 3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.
According to certain mythology, what later came to be called enochian, was the first language. Personally I think it was something more like this:
http://netmar.com/~maat/archive/dec2/boerman.htm If you read to the bottom, you will notice many languages and or phrases are hidden in the same characters.


Quote: 4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?
We covered that within somewhat normal biological terms above.

Quote: 5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?
They couldn't even obey while in the direct presence of God, why would they do better once cast out? Did you do EVERY thing your parents told you to do?

Quote: 6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened. Well like I said, I am citing clay tablets that are 5,000 years old, not just the bible. I just think the bible paraphrases the first parts of genesis, because it is based on an older tradition. The tablets deal in depth about the exploits of the Nephilim and early (or antediluvian) man, where the bible glosses right over it. This is not a mistake, the words in the bible were chosen carefully. For example, there are pages of nothing but how to measure and construct the ark of the covenant or some housing for it, yet the dawn of civilization, the first kings, and even the creation of humanity are scarcely mentioned if at all. This is because the bible is only concerned with AFTER man reconciles a relationship with God.

Just a different perspective, for what it's worth.

I like that view, I believe that myself, but I'm also a fan of this theory:

Quote: 1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this? Not in terms of the human species, but perhaps the first modern or civilized man.....the first guy to settle down and till the earth(in Iran or Pakistan about 10-12,000 years ago).

Quote: 2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors? If the first farmer thing is right, then he'd either be dark skinned like the Vedic peoples of the Indus valley, or dark-olive like the people's of ancient Summeria. I usually think of him as dark-skinned though.

Quote: 3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.

If Iranian, then most likley a proto Summerian kinda thing(enochian sounds good to me). If Pakistani, then an ancestor of the modern Tamil language. Certainly not an Indo-European lingo though......

Quote: 4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it? maybe, truth is that the human race had a genetic bottle-neck or two some-where in our history, most scientists believe the closest one was around 80,000 years ago. So in my Adam senerio(10-12,000 years ago) there would be other people to breed with.

Quote: 5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?
their sin was they tried to decide for themselves what was good and what was evil.....that is why we have seperate religions, people try to decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong......Romans Chpt 1 talks about this.

Quote: 6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened. hey we gotta start some-where.....even looking at my first farmer theory, some guy had to be the first.

[perdidochas]

wannabe wrote: melchizedek22 wrote: perdidochas wrote: _Locke_ wrote: Well I have some questions about Adam and Eve. I have not read the bible but I just have a clear understanding of them. First two humans that were cast to Earth and soon started the human race, bla bla... But I want to know a little more indepth. Sorry if the questions have been asked or the Bible explains it, as I have said I have not read the bible to know and if u can answer my questions u will great help to me. Also please don't be an a-hole, I have ran into people that like to start things but I just want answers and reasons (please excuse my spelling, not a great speller)

My questions -

1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?

Of course, they were told that by God. Read the first few chapters of Genesis.

_Locke_ wrote: 2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?

I presume they were probably brown. Most creationists believe in "micro-evolution" which would account for this.

_Locke_ wrote: 3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.

Not sure what language they spoke, but their children learned it like any other children--from their parents. Don't understand why this is a problem.

_Locke_ wrote: 4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?

Well, there are two explanations I've heard of this:

1) The Bible never says that God didn't create other people as well.
2) There were no genetic diseases in Adam and Eve. Genetic diseases are caused by mutations that have arisen since the Fall of Adam and Eve. The only real danger of interbreeding is the greater chance of homozygous recessive genetic diseases having a greater chance to occur.

_Locke_ wrote: 5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?

Because humans are human. We forget.

_Locke_ wrote: 6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened.


Thnak you for those of who answer my questions, I may be rough on the questins but I want to know more indepth about Adam and Eve and not just little answers but proof or reason behind the answers. If they are to hard to answer then does that prove that Adam and Eve is just a story? This may upset people because I have learned that questions that need anwers and reasons or proof for the answers can make people angry because this is not what they want, they want to think that what they beleive is pure, so doesn't that mean the truth have the answers and reasons?

Thank You for all who answer my questions, this is just some stuff that I want to ask and get to understand more, and I will be back later after this topic is well over dead to ask more questions about other things.

BTW, I'm not a creationist. I'm a Christian (specifically Catholic), and I believe the Bible to be true, though not in the factual sense. It was written for nomadic herders, and the explanations had to work for them.

I think YHWH wrote it looking a little farther down the road,than,"nomadic
herders"

what's wrong with nomadic herders? universal truths are universal truths.....plus I bet they were savvier and wiser then most of your modern couch potatoes

I agree with the universal truths. It's the scientific evidence in the Bible that I find faulty.

[eynon]

perdidochas wrote: wannabe wrote: melchizedek22 wrote: perdidochas wrote: _Locke_ wrote: Well I have some questions about Adam and Eve. I have not read the bible but I just have a clear understanding of them. First two humans that were cast to Earth and soon started the human race, bla bla... But I want to know a little more indepth. Sorry if the questions have been asked or the Bible explains it, as I have said I have not read the bible to know and if u can answer my questions u will great help to me. Also please don't be an a-hole, I have ran into people that like to start things but I just want answers and reasons (please excuse my spelling, not a great speller)

My questions -

1. Where Adam and Eve the first humans that started the human race? And if so did they know of this?

Of course, they were told that by God. Read the first few chapters of Genesis.

_Locke_ wrote: 2. What race were they? I mean skin color? White, Black, Latino, Asian. And if they where on of those and if you don't beleive in evolution then why did the entire human race stay the same color? Why have them change to different colors?

I presume they were probably brown. Most creationists believe in "micro-evolution" which would account for this.

_Locke_ wrote: 3. What language did they speak? If they were the first true humans then why did the entire human race speak the same language? Their children had to learn/understand them so they had to learn their language.

Not sure what language they spoke, but their children learned it like any other children--from their parents. Don't understand why this is a problem.

_Locke_ wrote: 4. How did they concive the entire human race without inter-breeding? When you inter-breed ur kids are goin to get a little screwed up and die early, so how did they do it?

Well, there are two explanations I've heard of this:

1) The Bible never says that God didn't create other people as well.
2) There were no genetic diseases in Adam and Eve. Genetic diseases are caused by mutations that have arisen since the Fall of Adam and Eve. The only real danger of interbreeding is the greater chance of homozygous recessive genetic diseases having a greater chance to occur.

_Locke_ wrote: 5. Since they were there when they were casted out of the "Garden of Eden"(is that they place?) and saw God or something then why didn't they stick with their religion and so if they are truely real then only one religion would exist and we wouldn't be fightin on the internet like this or asking questions?

Because humans are human. We forget.

_Locke_ wrote: 6. Did they exist? Where they proof that they did and no the Bible doesn't count as proof because its text not and object to prove that they where here and this is how it happened.


Thnak you for those of who answer my questions, I may be rough on the questins but I want to know more indepth about Adam and Eve and not just little answers but proof or reason behind the answers. If they are to hard to answer then does that prove that Adam and Eve is just a story? This may upset people because I have learned that questions that need anwers and reasons or proof for the answers can make people angry because this is not what they want, they want to think that what they beleive is pure, so doesn't that mean the truth have the answers and reasons?

Thank You for all who answer my questions, this is just some stuff that I want to ask and get to understand more, and I will be back later after this topic is well over dead to ask more questions about other things.

BTW, I'm not a creationist. I'm a Christian (specifically Catholic), and I believe the Bible to be true, though not in the factual sense. It was written for nomadic herders, and the explanations had to work for them.

I think YHWH wrote it looking a little farther down the road,than,"nomadic
herders"

what's wrong with nomadic herders? universal truths are universal truths.....plus I bet they were savvier and wiser then most of your modern couch potatoes

I agree with the universal truths. It's the scientific evidence in the Bible that I find faulty.

hey it's like you said, it was written down by bronze-age nomads.....they put it in their context.

Plus Americans(Anglo-philes in general) are a culture that places a low value of literary symbolism and a high value of literalism.....yet this is not universal to the human race.

[ikari]

Isn't there some mythology about Lilith and her being the first wife of Adam? I'm not sure if that is Christian mythology or if it belongs to some other religion.

[eynon]

ikari wrote: Isn't there some mythology about Lilith and her being the first wife of Adam? I'm not sure if that is Christian mythology or if it belongs to some other religion.

Jewish mythology actually......my buddy and I looked her up back in the day....she's an old Sumerian Goddess who kinda got transformed into a demon by the middle-ages.

the story about her and Adam can be traced to the 11th or 12th century I think.....I little parable about proper sexual positioning(which makes sense considering that sexual morality in the middle-ages, at least among the gentiles, was pretty much not there).

[wormwood]

Quote: Jewish mythology actually......my buddy and I looked her up back in the day....she's an old Sumerian Goddess who kinda got transformed into a demon by the middle-ages.

the story about her and Adam can be traced to the 11th or 12th century I think.....I little parable about proper sexual positioning(which makes sense considering that sexual morality in the middle-ages, at least among the gentiles, was pretty much not there). Wannabe knows his stuff. :wink:

I just wanted to add that Lilith can possibly be linked with Ishtar (Innana) in the ancient pantheon. She was viewed as good at first, she was the only woman to occupy a position in the pantheon proper (she was at one point on the council of the 12 primary earthly gods). She used her position and her feminine charms to almost take over as chief of the gods. After the subsequent war and shifting of power, she was thereafter referred to as "the cow" instead of "the maiden". From this point feminine sexuality seems to be demonized and this ties into the sexual misadventures of Lilith. Lilith's concern was her position, which was in essence about dominance.

[eynon]

wormwood wrote: Quote: Jewish mythology actually......my buddy and I looked her up back in the day....she's an old Sumerian Goddess who kinda got transformed into a demon by the middle-ages.

the story about her and Adam can be traced to the 11th or 12th century I think.....I little parable about proper sexual positioning(which makes sense considering that sexual morality in the middle-ages, at least among the gentiles, was pretty much not there). Wannabe knows his stuff. :wink:

I just wanted to add that Lilith can possibly be linked with Ishtar (Innana) in the ancient pantheon. She was viewed as good at first, she was the only woman to occupy a position in the pantheon proper (she was at one point on the council of the 12 primary earthly gods). She used her position and her feminine charms to almost take over as chief of the gods. After the subsequent war and shifting of power, she was thereafter referred to as "the cow" instead of "the maiden". From this point feminine sexuality seems to be demonized and this ties into the sexual misadventures of Lilith. Lilith's concern was her position, which was in essence about dominance.

I have my moments :lol: