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[Fido]

Absolutly the new Rome with all the old Roman mistakes in spades. Why do societies desire suicide? Is it just too difficult to find meaning without perspective?

[Rilzic]

David Kelly wrote:
Rome had a king, America had a king. (So far no king unlike Rome following Cezer's murder.)

That's just a small list.

What?

[David Kelly]

Rilzic wrote: David Kelly wrote:
Rome had a king, America had a king. (So far no king unlike Rome following Cezer's murder.)

That's just a small list.

What?

:? Okay, that made no, well you can see ware I'm going with this. Please explain that odd post.

[melchizedek22]

Roman wrote: melchizedek22 wrote: America is the Last Great Empire,called The Revived Roman Empire by Bible schlors!

Wouldn't it make more sense that the EU would be the revised Roman Empire?

NO! This is a popular thing for TV preachers to say,but in Revelation17
it says the Beast will be taken to the wilderness.
Jerry Seinfeld lived at 129 W.81st street apartment 5a
When Revelation 17 was written Rome was in Rome,who lived at
129 w.81st when Revelation 17 was written!

Revelation 17 vs 3 wilderness NY,Revelation 17 vs 18 NY
REV 17 vs 9 When written discribing Rome

[anatman]

Two points:

1) It's interesting that the establishment of the Euro marks the first time since the Roman empire that Europe has had a single currency.

2) It has been said that the United States has been the first civilization to go from inception to downfall without any intervening golden age

[Fido]

anatman wrote: Two points:

1) It's interesting that the establishment of the Euro marks the first time since the Roman empire that Europe has had a single currency.

2) It has been said that the United States has been the first civilization to go from inception to downfall without any intervening golden age

No Golden age, and almost no maturity at all!

One thing I have to say, is that the British were very conscious of their Roman traditions, and language, and in their Empire represented the best of Roman qualities in the same sense that France represented the worst of Roman qualities in their attempts at Empire. We have no real sense of history in what we do because we do not study history, and do not comprehend the Roman quality in our society, culture, or ambition. In fact we do not, as Gibbon did not- recognize that the Roman Empire was not one empire but two, becoming under the influence of the church more of a meritocracy than a oligarchy of aristocrats and knights.
Our Democracy in the Greek and Roman model was doomed, and created after the example of failures. It was never meant to be vital, but was designed to facilitate the easy accumulation of wealth that destroyed Rome and Greece. That does not mean the United States is done. We could be a plague upon the world just as Rome was, feeding upon other societies like a parasite until our colonies offer us no protection from the gathering horde.

[Dr. Wojtyla]

Can someone explain the purpose of this thread to me? Just to play name games?

[melchizedek22]

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Can someone explain the purpose of this thread to me? Just to play name games?
any idiot can critize,add something

[anatman]

Fido wrote: anatman wrote: Two points:

1) It's interesting that the establishment of the Euro marks the first time since the Roman empire that Europe has had a single currency.

2) It has been said that the United States has been the first civilization to go from inception to downfall without any intervening golden age

No Golden age, and almost no maturity at all!

One thing I have to say, is that the British were very conscious of their Roman traditions, and language, and in their Empire represented the best of Roman qualities in the same sense that France represented the worst of Roman qualities in their attempts at Empire. We have no real sense of history in what we do because we do not study history, and do not comprehend the Roman quality in our society, culture, or ambition. In fact we do not, as Gibbon did not- recognize that the Roman Empire was not one empire but two, becoming under the influence of the church more of a meritocracy than a oligarchy of aristocrats and knights.

Our Democracy in the Greek and Roman model was doomed, and created after the example of failures. It was never meant to be vital, but was designed to facilitate the easy accumulation of wealth that destroyed Rome and Greece. That does not mean the United States is done. We could be a plague upon the world just as Rome was, feeding upon other societies like a parasite until our colonies offer us no protection from the gathering horde. Many good points you've raised, Fido. Only I don't think that the United States "could be a plague upon the world just as Rome was, feeding upon other societies like a parasite", I would judge that that is exactly what it is and always has been. First it was the native Americans and their land, then it was (and is) our overseas empire of exploitation. I don't remember the exact figures, but Americans represent something like two percent of the world population, but use 70 percent of the resources. Nowadays Asian countries, primarily China, lend us billions of dollars a day to keep our economy from collapsing (because they understand if the US goes, they all go)and many so-called developing nations are nothing more than large-scale sweatshops, labor camps and mines run for the sole benefit of corporate America. Don't believe me? Just look around, even most Americans are exploited as wage-slaves to serve the corporations and consumers of the schlock they produce. Ask yourself: who has exploited me today, feeding on my time, money or energy for their own profit? :cry:

[Fido]

anatman wrote: Fido wrote: anatman wrote: Two points:

1) It's interesting that the establishment of the Euro marks the first time since the Roman empire that Europe has had a single currency.

2) It has been said that the United States has been the first civilization to go from inception to downfall without any intervening golden age

No Golden age, and almost no maturity at all!

One thing I have to say, is that the British were very conscious of their Roman traditions, and language, and in their Empire represented the best of Roman qualities in the same sense that France represented the worst of Roman qualities in their attempts at Empire. We have no real sense of history in what we do because we do not study history, and do not comprehend the Roman quality in our society, culture, or ambition. In fact we do not, as Gibbon did not- recognize that the Roman Empire was not one empire but two, becoming under the influence of the church more of a meritocracy than a oligarchy of aristocrats and knights.

Our Democracy in the Greek and Roman model was doomed, and created after the example of failures. It was never meant to be vital, but was designed to facilitate the easy accumulation of wealth that destroyed Rome and Greece. That does not mean the United States is done. We could be a plague upon the world just as Rome was, feeding upon other societies like a parasite until our colonies offer us no protection from the gathering horde. Many good points you've raised, Fido. Only I don't think that the United States "could be a plague upon the world just as Rome was, feeding upon other societies like a parasite", I would judge that that is exactly what it is and always has been. First it was the native Americans and their land, then it was (and is) our overseas empire of exploitation. I don't remember the exact figures, but Americans represent something like two percent of the world population, but use 70 percent of the resources. Nowadays Asian countries, primarily China, lend us billions of dollars a day to keep our economy from collapsing (because they understand if the US goes, they all go)and many so-called developing nations are nothing more than large-scale sweatshops, labor camps and mines run for the sole benefit of corporate America. Don't believe me? Just look around, even most Americans are exploited as wage-slaves to serve the corporations and consumers of the schlock they produce. Ask yourself: who has exploited me today, feeding on my time, money or energy for their own profit? :cry:

You do not mention that we also stole this land from our king. But, the aim of the Chinese is political leverage. Why fight for what you can buy. We could have bought the Iraqis if our aim were not all they owned. We could have supported the shiat Ali against the Sunnis, and supported the Kurds against Saddam if we had wished to empower those people. We wanted to dis-empower them and take their oil, so they resent it. We are like the Romans when setting up their emperor's statue in the temple of the Jews. We do not mind the storm because we have our money on force. But when a great part of your products come from elsewhere, even military components, then your military is in the hands of foreigners.

We should understand that people from all nations have been here, and realize how fickle we are, and ignorant we are about the world. Look at America from their eyes. We think we are it, and we are right if IT is all Krupp Steel on the outside and all bran inside. We have been fatally weakened by our capitalism and military. We have drawn the uncompromising hatred of the Muslims upon us without the ability to really protect ourselves. Either we must change, or we must change the entire world. But like all entrenched powers we are incapable of change.
We might change if we were forced to change, but the force of change is exactly that needed to kill us. Where will we find mercy in this exploited world? Where have we shown mercy?

[David Kelly]

I dive the USA 100 years. As for our Golden Age, it was the 1920's. Only lasted 10 years yes, but we had one.

[Fido]

David Kelly wrote: I dive the USA 100 years. As for our Golden Age, it was the 1920's. Only lasted 10 years yes, but we had one.

Great. A high point of the KKK, and half a dozen political protest parties, none of which could make any necessary changes to the society, co-opted by the big parties willing to accept change so long as it was not substantive. And what? Jazz? Syphilis? Forced sterilization laws? Hemingway? Prohibition? Do nothing government? Expediting the great depression, and the dust bowl? You have to have something better.
The best America has managed is a steel age. If you look at our art museums flooded with the art of a dying culture in Europe, you can see that much of it was bought with the gold of Robber Barons who had little enough of appreciation of art or gold, who wanted status equivalent to the vast sums that passed beneath their pens.
There have been times when Americans were better or worse, able or less able, but you cannot have a golden age without a silver age, nor an iron age without a bronze. If you put a beggar in the saddle he will ride the horse to death, and we are a nation of beggars riding whatever horse we can seize toward destruction. To know gold, not as a item of commerce, or a measure of wealth; but as a standard of culture one must begin with democracy. Great art, great philosophy, great understanding and science, magnanimity, are all the offshoots of great culture, and oligarchy, plutocracy, and aristocracy are the end of great cultures and the beginning of nothing. Our democracy is more the end of Roman or Greek democracy. We will not find a golden apple on the tree of bitter fruits.

[Dr. Wojtyla]

melchizedek22 wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Can someone explain the purpose of this thread to me? Just to play name games?
any idiot can critize,add something

Ok, here's a contribution: No, the United States is not a continuation of the Roman Empire and even asking that question says more about the person asking than it does about Rome or the US. Are they similar? Yes. Whoopty do. Every empire shares traits with every other empire, and the definition of empire is so loose that many countries today might qualify, such as China, Russia, India, and Saudi Arabia. The Admins should create a Semantics Board and this thread should be moved to it.

[melchizedek22]

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: melchizedek22 wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Can someone explain the purpose of this thread to me? Just to play name games?
any idiot can criticize,add something

Ok, here's a contribution: No, the United States is not a continuation of the Roman Empire and even asking that question says more about the person asking than it does about Rome or the US. Are they similar? Yes. Whoopty do. Every empire shares traits with every other empire, and the definition of empire is so loose that many countries today might qualify, such as China, Russia, India, and Saudi Arabia. The Admins should create a Semantics Board and this thread should be moved to it.
Elitist ramblings

[David Kelly]

Dr. Wojtyla wrote: melchizedek22 wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Can someone explain the purpose of this thread to me? Just to play name games?
any idiot can critize,add something

Ok, here's a contribution: No, the United States is not a continuation of the Roman Empire and even asking that question says more about the person asking than it does about Rome or the US. Are they similar? Yes. Whoopty do. Every empire shares traits with every other empire, and the definition of empire is so loose that many countries today might qualify, such as China, Russia, India, and Saudi Arabia. The Admins should create a Semantics Board and this thread should be moved to it.

Your not American, are you?
Our governments are set up the same with a little British added to the American system.
Our laws are based on Christianity (the state religion of the Roman Empire) and Roman law (with some British).
So, how are we not the new Rome? Even DC is built like Rome as was the point!

[anatman]

David Kelly...David Kelly... where have I heard that name before? :shock: Hey! You aren't that
Britich biological warfare expert who worked for their ministry of defence and a former United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq who killed himself, are you?

Hmm, no I guess not... :wink:

[zelda]

usa the new rome?....and bush the new julius caesar? no freaking way!

[anselfir]

liek rome has all the hot girls and stuff.

[Fido]

zelda wrote: usa the new rome?....and bush the new julius caesar? no freaking way!

The nouveau Rome, and Bush is the nouveau Caligula, Bootsey; only too uptight to try to have sex with the whole nation as Caligula seems to have Attempted. And his attitude about his Senate was so similar. Did Caligula not say that he wished the Roman Senate had but one head so he could cut it off while Bush acts like its head is already gone? Perhaps Caligula could make his horse a senator, but then Bush could make a horse's ass a Secretary of Defense. So, not much difference in fact.

[Fido]

oneofthem wrote: liek rome has all the hot girls and stuff.

A flood of public morality and a drought of private morality. and stuff.