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Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

The IRS is a thief, stealing our money.

Many years ago people died.

Wyatt Earp · Joined: 03 Jul 2006 Posts: 358

Helena` wrote: The IRS is a thief, stealing our money.

Many years ago people died.

:!?:

Hyde · Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Taxes are stealing

Helena` wrote: The IRS is a thief, stealing our money.

Many years ago people died.

extremly pointless but that what i have come to expect from you.

Lord Hargreaves · Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 7192 Location: Herefordshire

Quote: Many years ago people died

THEY DID?!?! :shock:

Superfly · Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 5248 Location: Tornado Alley

Lord Hargreaves wrote: Quote: Many years ago people died

THEY DID?!?! :shock:

:lol:

PricklySponge · Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 9473

Hyde wrote: Helena` wrote: The IRS is a thief, stealing our money.

Many years ago people died.

extremly pointless but that what i have come to expect from you.

IronBrigadeMike (IBM) · Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 6615 Location: VA

Lord Hargreaves wrote: Quote: Many years ago people died

THEY DID?!?! :shock:

O NOES! :duh1:

To original poster: :think: :gdgf:

thintheherd · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Taxes are stealing

Helena` wrote: The IRS is a thief, stealing our money.

Many years ago people died.

Point?

Solution?

Point?

eynon · Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:36 am Post subject:

(yawn) The IRS is just doing Congress's bidding......

zero18 · Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6997 Location: Illinois

Helena` wrote: The IRS is a thief, stealing our money.

Wait, aren't you a communist or something?

Quote: Many years ago people died.

Relevance?

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

How do you propose the government pays for anything?

MplsBison · Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 3380

How about a flat consumption tax?

Katsumoto · Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 2003 Location: Orygun

Ek0nomik wrote: How do you propose the government pays for anything?

I would propose they don't--or I should say we don't. The government doesn't pay, we do. Government can't pay because government has no wealth. Only plunder.

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

Katsumoto wrote: Ek0nomik wrote: How do you propose the government pays for anything?

I would propose they don't--or I should say we don't. The government doesn't pay, we do. Government can't pay because government has no wealth. Only plunder.

Right.

If there wasn't taxation though, how do you expect things to get done? Are you going to go out and build roads yourself? Are you going to pay our teachers?

Quicksurf · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 4675

Ek0nomik wrote: Katsumoto wrote: Ek0nomik wrote: How do you propose the government pays for anything?

I would propose they don't--or I should say we don't. The government doesn't pay, we do. Government can't pay because government has no wealth. Only plunder.

Right.

If there wasn't taxation though, how do you expect things to get done? Are you going to go out and build roads yourself? Are you going to pay our teachers?

He's an anarchist. No point in debating with real world terminology.

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

Quicksurf wrote: He's an anarchist. No point in debating with real world terminology.

:lol: I'm still curious.

thintheherd · Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:40 am Post subject:

This seems to be a rather fly-by-night thread.

What's the discussion?

MplsBison · Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 3380

Ek0nomik wrote: Are you going to go out and build roads yourself?

The government doesn't go out and build roads either.

They hire private contractors to build them, just like you would if you were building a house.

Quote: Are you going to pay our teachers?

The government doesn't teach our children either. They give money to public school districts who in turn hire and pay teachers as they see fit.

Then, on top of that, independent private schools do the same thing.

I'm not saying the government is not necessary. But you picked 2 pretty easy examples of services that could be privatized without batting an eye.

Katsumoto · Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 2003 Location: Orygun

tman_ndsu08 wrote: Ek0nomik wrote: Are you going to go out and build roads yourself?

The government doesn't go out and build roads either.

They hire private contractors to build them, just like you would if you were building a house.

Indeed, developers are required by most cities to build roads as part of their developement so very little tax money actually goes to new road construction. Most goes to big boondoggle projects like the "big dig" in Boston, or here in Portland, OR we have light rail (empty most of the time) and now the "Tram" (think huge ski gondolla) to ferry doctors from their million dollar waterfront condos up to the hospital on top of the hill--all to the tune of 55 million tax payer dollars.

My approach to roads would be the following: Sell all major highways and bridges to the highest bidder (they can make them into toll roads); City streets would be owned by the businesses and homes that front them.

Quote: Quote: Are you going to pay our teachers?

The government doesn't teach our children either. They give money to public school districts who in turn hire and pay teachers as they see fit.

Then, on top of that, independent private schools do the same thing.

I'm not saying the government is not necessary. But you picked 2 pretty easy examples of services that could be privatized without batting an eye.

Privatize all schools. No vouchers or other half-a$$ "solutions". Sell the schools to the highest bidders.

Two really easy examples I agree. But feel free to pick any others you can think of. If it can't be privatized, it isn't worth having.

MplsBison · Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 3380

Katsumoto wrote:

Indeed, developers are required by most cities to build roads as part of their developement so very little tax money actually goes to new road construction. Most goes to big boondoggle projects like the "big dig" in Boston, or here in Portland, OR we have light rail (empty most of the time) and now the "Tram" (think huge ski gondolla) to ferry doctors from their million dollar waterfront condos up to the hospital on top of the hill--all to the tune of 55 million tax payer dollars.

That's peanuts compared to Alaska.

Not 1, but 2 250 million (or something in that area) bridges.

The 1 bridge I can partly understand. It would link Anchorage to land on the other side of the Knik arm. This is not hugely bad idea as land in Anchorage is at a premium.

The other bridge, on the other hand, is pork at its finest. A bridge to no where, they call it. Linking one of the bigger panhandle cities (Sitka or Ketchikan, can't remember) to an island with maybe a hundred residents who are more than happy with their ferry service.

Quote: My approach to roads would be the following: Sell all major highways and bridges to the highest bidder (they can make them into toll roads); City streets would be owned by the businesses and homes that front them.

Obviously limited access roads could be all privatized now with little to no problem.

As far as the rest of the roads. I just don't know about your proposal. Esp. all the legal complications it would bring as far as liability.

Quote:

Privatize all schools. No vouchers or other half-a$$ "solutions". Sell the schools to the highest bidders.

I don't think vouchers are a half hearted solution at all. Obviously a full private system would be the most efficient, but vouchers are not a bad system at all. Milton Friedman even thinks so.

If we could at least introduce some competition into the mainstream school system, who knows.

Quote: Two really easy examples I agree. But feel free to pick any others you can think of. If it can't be privatized, it isn't worth having.

Military, police, courts.

This is the trio that I think would be the hardest, possible impossible to privatize and keep their current function.

IE, you wouldn't be able to keep the current function with privatization. It would have to be a new type of system (IE personal body guards for everyone, etc.)