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Radovan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:33 pm Post subject: Free lebanon |
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| Free Lebanon from Hizbulla and syrian fascism. |
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Radovan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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After 1.5 years, syrian fascism has gone, it's stooges and hizbulla are still there.
Again, free Lebanon from Hizbulla's grip. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Radovan wrote: After 1.5 years, syrian fascism has gone, it's stooges and hizbulla are still there.
Again, free Lebanon from Hizbulla's grip.
What grip? Hizbullah has no power over others. Do you want your friend, Israel, to jump in, Radovan? |
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Venom
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Saracen
Hezbollah is openly part of Lebonan's government and started a war. Other than that ya I guess they have no power at all.... |
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superskippy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: What grip? Hizbullah has no power over others. Do you want your friend, Israel, to jump in, Radovan?
While it is a seperate argument over whether the people of Lebanon want to be "freed" from Hezbollahs grip. It is very clear they have power over others, they in essence control everything south of the Litani river and have some 6,000 armed men in the field though this figure is probably closer to 5,300 after the recent conflict. They have a very firm control of the south of the country and large pockets of control on the north though mostly as salients. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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superskippy wrote: Quote: What grip? Hizbullah has no power over others. Do you want your friend, Israel, to jump in, Radovan?
While it is a seperate argument over whether the people of Lebanon want to be "freed" from Hezbollahs grip. It is very clear they have power over others, they in essence control everything south of the Litani river and have some 6,000 armed men in the field though this figure is probably closer to 5,300 after the recent conflict. They have a very firm control of the south of the country and large pockets of control on the north though mostly as salients.
And yet many in Lebanon's south actually like Hizbullah. Those armed men are supposedly representing their supporters, so I don't think that Hizbullah is a problem. However, I do agree that they should absolve their militia and augment it to the Lebanese Army... that is, of course, after the conditions have been met. |
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superskippy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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In reality there shouldnt have to be a single condition. The Lebanese government in Beirut is the sole representative of the national entity known as Lebanon and recognized as such by the world. They should never have to "meet conditions" if they ask Hezbollah to dissolve or do anything of the like.
Also having popular support in a part of a country doesnt give you the right to equip a private army and occupy that region. What do we call that in any other country? Rebellion, Seperatists, Civil War. |
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emerald
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: In reality there shouldnt have to be a single condition. The Lebanese government in Beirut is the sole representative of the national entity known as Lebanon and recognized as such by the world. They should never have to "meet conditions" if they ask Hezbollah to dissolve or do anything of the like. Also having popular support in a part of a country doesnt give you the right to equip a private army and occupy that region. What do we call that in any other country? Rebellion, Seperatists, Civil War.
if the lebanese government was strong then you'd have an argument and hizbollah would have to listen, and if the situation in the area was different then you'd be right, but why was hizbollah able to form a militia group in the first place, if their gvt had the power and ability to secure it's borders from invasion and protect it's citizens then those hizbollah fighters would be a part of the labanese army. the only reason hizbollah have such popular support is because it is doing something in protecting it's country, it is fighting back and fighting back strong, if it werent for hizbollah there probably wouldnt have been any retaliation to israeli bombardment. (please dont argue that if there was no hizbollah israel wouldnt have attacked, i'm just talking hypothetically, about the lack of security and badly trained and equipd so called labanese army) |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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emerald wrote: Quote: In reality there shouldnt have to be a single condition. The Lebanese government in Beirut is the sole representative of the national entity known as Lebanon and recognized as such by the world. They should never have to "meet conditions" if they ask Hezbollah to dissolve or do anything of the like. Also having popular support in a part of a country doesnt give you the right to equip a private army and occupy that region. What do we call that in any other country? Rebellion, Seperatists, Civil War.
if the lebanese government was strong then you'd have an argument and hizbollah would have to listen, and if the situation in the area was different then you'd be right, but why was hizbollah able to form a militia group in the first place, if their gvt had the power and ability to secure it's borders from invasion and protect it's citizens then those hizbollah fighters would be a part of the labanese army. the only reason hizbollah have such popular support is because it is doing something in protecting it's country, it is fighting back and fighting back strong, if it werent for hizbollah there probably wouldnt have been any retaliation to israeli bombardment. (please dont argue that if there was no hizbollah israel wouldnt have attacked, i'm just talking hypothetically, about the lack of security and badly trained and equipd so called labanese army)
You hit the nail right on the head.
Oh, and marhaba. :-D |
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skinn
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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emerald wrote: Quote: In reality there shouldnt have to be a single condition. The Lebanese government in Beirut is the sole representative of the national entity known as Lebanon and recognized as such by the world. They should never have to "meet conditions" if they ask Hezbollah to dissolve or do anything of the like. Also having popular support in a part of a country doesnt give you the right to equip a private army and occupy that region. What do we call that in any other country? Rebellion, Seperatists, Civil War.
if the lebanese government was strong then you'd have an argument and hizbollah would have to listen, and if the situation in the area was different then you'd be right, but why was hizbollah able to form a militia group in the first place, if their gvt had the power and ability to secure it's borders from invasion and protect it's citizens then those hizbollah fighters would be a part of the labanese army. the only reason hizbollah have such popular support is because it is doing something in protecting it's country, it is fighting back and fighting back strong, if it werent for hizbollah there probably wouldnt have been any retaliation to israeli bombardment. (please dont argue that if there was no hizbollah israel wouldnt have attacked, i'm just talking hypothetically, about the lack of security and badly trained and equipd so called labanese army)
not only this, if it wasn't for hezbollah, the shiites would have a lack in schools and hospitals, this is why their support for hizbollah is nearly unconditional. Hizbollah is the consequence of a weak corrupt unjust government. |
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pullthepin
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Hezbollah are seen as freedom fighters and are generally well-respected in Lebanon. |
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superskippy
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Freedom Fighters? Freedom Fighters fight for the freedom and liberation of their nation, what populace or country are they trying to liberate or free? |
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emerald
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Quote: Oh, and marhaba.
ahlain :) |
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pullthepin
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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superskippy wrote: Freedom Fighters? Freedom Fighters fight for the freedom and liberation of their nation, what populace or country are they trying to liberate or free?
Would you prefer the term "freedom keepers"?
The fact remains, Hezbollah are widely respected as political figures in Lebannon, and act in the interest of their people. |
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Venom
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| Hezbollah doesn't act in the interest of the people. They are simply winning a PR war. Bush pledged $230 Million in aid to them. I'd go ahead an make a guess that money we give to the Lebanese goverment is giving to Hezbollah and bam! they are the saviors of the people!!!! |
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pullthepin
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Venom wrote: Hezbollah doesn't act in the interest of the people. They are simply winning a PR war. Bush pledged $230 Million in aid to them. I'd go ahead an make a guess that money we give to the Lebanese goverment is giving to Hezbollah and bam! they are the saviors of the people!!!!
How would you have any idea what they do for their people?
My father is Lebanese and my grandfather is currently in Lebanon and talks to us every week about the goingson. |
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the sane voice
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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pullthepin wrote: Venom wrote: Hezbollah doesn't act in the interest of the people. They are simply winning a PR war. Bush pledged $230 Million in aid to them. I'd go ahead an make a guess that money we give to the Lebanese goverment is giving to Hezbollah and bam! they are the saviors of the people!!!!
How would you have any idea what they do for their people?
My father is Lebanese and my grandfather is currently in Lebanon and talks to us every week about the goingson.
did he mention iran is very supportive of hez.? |
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emerald
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Quote: did he mention iran is very supportive of hez.?
why does it seem ok that any other political group, or country should form alliances except when it comes to these two...
i can see why it may worry you, as according to your location you're from Israel, but dont you think a strong alliance between israel and America and much of the west at that would also worry the hell out of palestinians as well as those countries surrounding Israel in the same way an alliance between hizbollah and iran would for you?? |
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Radovan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Saracen wrote: Radovan wrote: After 1.5 years, syrian fascism has gone, it's stooges and hizbulla are still there.
Again, free Lebanon from Hizbulla's grip.
What grip? Hizbullah has no power over others. Do you want your friend, Israel, to jump in, Radovan?
Well, don't play the same dirty game with me...either hezbulla, islamic extremism or Israel....as if there are no other options, and for your information Israel is not my friend. Widen your horizen please... |
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the sane voice
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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emerald wrote: Quote: did he mention iran is very supportive of hez.?
why does it seem ok that any other political group, or country should form alliances except when it comes to these two...
i can see why it may worry you, as according to your location you're from Israel, but dont you think a strong alliance between israel and America and much of the west at that would also worry the hell out of palestinians as well as those countries surrounding Israel in the same way an alliance between hizbollah and iran would for you??
only they want to kill.its like the alliances in ww2.
only this time the bad guys are winning.and people like you are making excuses for the modern nazis. |
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