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WsTxRedRaider06
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FarPastGone wrote: GET YOUR GUNS UP!!! :) Sorry, saw RedRaiders, couldn't resist, big Tech fan. :)
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ehmjay
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: Wow. |
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And thusly, the biggest problem in the abortion debate is hit upon.
Case-sensitivity. |
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Ek0nomik
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: ? for prochoicers |
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lovebush wrote: for those that argue abortion rights for woman on the basis of them not being held responsible for an unintentional pregnancy..
Would you also say that if a man didn't want to get a woman pregnant , and she chooses life, that the man should not be required to pay child support?
Why?
:lol: How did I miss this thread? For those of us that argue abortion rights based on the fact that a woman shouldn't be responsible for becoming pregnant? Who the hell argues that standpoint? |
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Dr. Wojtyla
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: ? for prochoicers |
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lovebush wrote: for those that argue abortion rights for woman on the basis of them not being held responsible for an unintentional pregnancy..
Would you also say that if a man didn't want to get a woman pregnant , and she chooses life, that the man should not be required to pay child support?
Why?
Yes, 100%. The most a man should have to pay in child support is half the cost of an abortion. If he wants to keep it, but then once the baby is born changes his mind, well, that's tough for him, he should have to pay for the childrearing at that point. But if she told him while abortion was still an option, and he said "I don't want a baby," then it's only fair he should only have to pay for half the abortion. If she wants to keep the baby, that's her decision. |
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Ek0nomik
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: ? for prochoicers |
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Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Yes, 100%. The most a man should have to pay in child support is half the cost of an abortion.
Wrong. Both are equally responsible, unless the terms were addressed before sex occurred. Simply because a woman procreates doesn't mean she is more responsible than the man in terms of support for the child. Imagine the situation reversed. The male gives birth, while the female stands by and watches. Let me guess, the male still only has to pay, well, what you said: "half the cost of an abortion"? |
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lovebush
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: ? for prochoicers |
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Ek0nomik wrote: lovebush wrote: for those that argue abortion rights for woman on the basis of them not being held responsible for an unintentional pregnancy..
Would you also say that if a man didn't want to get a woman pregnant , and she chooses life, that the man should not be required to pay child support?
Why?
:lol: How did I miss this thread? For those of us that argue abortion rights based on the fact that a woman shouldn't be responsible for becoming pregnant? Who the hell argues that standpoint?
it did come up on another thread that I was on. |
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levin893
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| It depends. If the two were praticing safe sex with a condom or birth control and she gets pregnant, then no he shouldn't have to pay. However, if he didn't take responsible actions before sex and pregnancy occured, then the payment of child support may still be justified. It's all about the situation. |
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Dr. Wojtyla
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: ? for prochoicers |
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Ek0nomik wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Yes, 100%. The most a man should have to pay in child support is half the cost of an abortion.
Wrong. Both are equally responsible, unless the terms were addressed before sex occurred. Simply because a woman procreates doesn't mean she is more responsible than the man in terms of support for the child. Imagine the situation reversed. The male gives birth, while the female stands by and watches. Let me guess, the male still only has to pay, well, what you said: "half the cost of an abortion"?
If they have equal responsilibity, they should also have equal say in whether to have a child at all. There are 4 choices regarding a pregnancy: whether to have sex, whether to use protection, whether to abort the baby, and whether to give it up for adoption. Unless the man has equal say in all four choices, he doesn't deserve equal responsibility. I can't think of any other situation where freedom and responsibility aren't proportional. |
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cindilee63
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: Man paying child support |
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| Men don't pay child support for unwanted pregnancies. What world are you in? Have you looked at the welfare statistics? I am a 40+ mother of three. To answer your question you have to go back further in the road to the impregnation. It is quite simple for the man if he doesn't want to pay child support he should have worn a condom. Dah! |
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lovebush
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Man paying child support |
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cindilee63 wrote: Men don't pay child support for unwanted pregnancies. What world are you in? Have you looked at the welfare statistics? I am a 40+ mother of three. To answer your question you have to go back further in the road to the impregnation. It is quite simple for the man if he doesn't want to pay child support he should have worn a condom. Dah!
there are many men paying child support(as they should) for babies they didnt want to have and sometimes never see. I dont know what state you are in but there are laws that will enforce support. unless you dont know who the father or fathers are. |
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Dr. Wojtyla
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Man paying child support |
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cindilee63 wrote: Men don't pay child support for unwanted pregnancies. What world are you in? Have you looked at the welfare statistics? Do you mean they're not legally bound to pay child support or many avoid the law and don't pay?
And I agree that men should always wear condoms, no matter what the woman says. "I'm allergic to latex!" "I like to feel you!" "It feels weird!" Are you listening, men? The laws are weighed to favor women: NEVER screw a chick without a condom, no matter how hard they try to ruin your life. I've never impregnated a woman and I owe it all to being smart enough to ignore their sneaky tricks.
One good trick that has paid off is before you toss the used condom in the trashcan, put Tabasco sauce inside it. When she tries to impregnate herself with the semen from the trashcan condom (to trap the man with a pregnancy), she'll be in for a nice spicy surprise. |
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