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[cap'n queasy]

David Kelly wrote: psholtz wrote: wannabe wrote: But I digress.....no, no he wasn't....everything he preached had a basis in the OT. Christianity is a Jewish cult, not a Hindu one :wink:
Christianity had its basis in the same place that the religion of Moses did, namely in the Mystery Teachings of ancient Egypt.

Judaism is a cult born in Babylon circa 500 BC. The Jews themselves did not author the OT, nor have much of anything to do w/ its composition (except for the very last books, chronologically speaking), nor does Judaism have much to do w/ Christianity. If anything, Christianity is a very strong counterpoint to Judaism, opposing it in almost every way.

Correct. They held to the same that the Babylonians did, only the rejected all deities but the Goddess of life and fertility. In Canaan a 2nd cult grew out of the local religion rejecting all deities but the God of war. At some point the 2 merged and formed the Jewish Faith merging there 2 deities hence the fact that "God" is an It as it is unisex.

:lol: That's not factual.

[David Kelly]

cap'n queasy wrote: David Kelly wrote: psholtz wrote: wannabe wrote: But I digress.....no, no he wasn't....everything he preached had a basis in the OT. Christianity is a Jewish cult, not a Hindu one :wink:
Christianity had its basis in the same place that the religion of Moses did, namely in the Mystery Teachings of ancient Egypt.

Judaism is a cult born in Babylon circa 500 BC. The Jews themselves did not author the OT, nor have much of anything to do w/ its composition (except for the very last books, chronologically speaking), nor does Judaism have much to do w/ Christianity. If anything, Christianity is a very strong counterpoint to Judaism, opposing it in almost every way.

Correct. They held to the same that the Babylonians did, only the rejected all deities but the Goddess of life and fertility. In Canaan a 2nd cult grew out of the local religion rejecting all deities but the God of war. At some point the 2 merged and formed the Jewish Faith merging there 2 deities hence the fact that "God" is an It as it is unisex.

:lol: That's not factual.

It is. You just need to look outside the bible to find the facts.
I have 2 good points supporting me. God never said He was the only one, all he said was he was greedy and you can find that in the Bible. The other point is when He says "Let us create man in our image. The counter argument is He was talking to Jesus, but as per the Christian fath Jesus was God and one of the Holy Trenity. So that cannot be as God would not use us if talking to Himself.

[toddytodd]

David Kelly wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: David Kelly wrote: psholtz wrote: wannabe wrote: But I digress.....no, no he wasn't....everything he preached had a basis in the OT. Christianity is a Jewish cult, not a Hindu one :wink:
Christianity had its basis in the same place that the religion of Moses did, namely in the Mystery Teachings of ancient Egypt.

Judaism is a cult born in Babylon circa 500 BC. The Jews themselves did not author the OT, nor have much of anything to do w/ its composition (except for the very last books, chronologically speaking), nor does Judaism have much to do w/ Christianity. If anything, Christianity is a very strong counterpoint to Judaism, opposing it in almost every way.

Correct. They held to the same that the Babylonians did, only the rejected all deities but the Goddess of life and fertility. In Canaan a 2nd cult grew out of the local religion rejecting all deities but the God of war. At some point the 2 merged and formed the Jewish Faith merging there 2 deities hence the fact that "God" is an It as it is unisex.

:lol: That's not factual.

It is. You just need to look outside the bible to find the facts.
I have 2 good points supporting me. God never said He was the only one, all he said was he was greedy and you can find that in the Bible. The other point is when He says "Let us create man in our image. The counter argument is He was talking to Jesus, but as per the Christian fath Jesus was God and one of the Holy Trenity. So that cannot be as God would not use us if talking to Himself.


Interesting point...you are saying God is one of many.....
Almost like Q in the Q Continum on Star Trek-TNG or on SG1...

[David Kelly]

toddytodd wrote: David Kelly wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: David Kelly wrote: psholtz wrote: wannabe wrote: But I digress.....no, no he wasn't....everything he preached had a basis in the OT. Christianity is a Jewish cult, not a Hindu one :wink:
Christianity had its basis in the same place that the religion of Moses did, namely in the Mystery Teachings of ancient Egypt.

Judaism is a cult born in Babylon circa 500 BC. The Jews themselves did not author the OT, nor have much of anything to do w/ its composition (except for the very last books, chronologically speaking), nor does Judaism have much to do w/ Christianity. If anything, Christianity is a very strong counterpoint to Judaism, opposing it in almost every way.

Correct. They held to the same that the Babylonians did, only the rejected all deities but the Goddess of life and fertility. In Canaan a 2nd cult grew out of the local religion rejecting all deities but the God of war. At some point the 2 merged and formed the Jewish Faith merging there 2 deities hence the fact that "God" is an It as it is unisex.

:lol: That's not factual.

It is. You just need to look outside the bible to find the facts.
I have 2 good points supporting me. God never said He was the only one, all he said was he was greedy and you can find that in the Bible. The other point is when He says "Let us create man in our image. The counter argument is He was talking to Jesus, but as per the Christian fath Jesus was God and one of the Holy Trenity. So that cannot be as God would not use us if talking to Himself.


Interesting point...you are saying God is one of many.....
Almost like Q in the Q Continum on Star Trek-TNG or on SG1...

Yes, but I'd rather use more respected analogies.

[toddytodd]

David Kelly wrote: toddytodd wrote: David Kelly wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: David Kelly wrote: psholtz wrote: wannabe wrote: But I digress.....no, no he wasn't....everything he preached had a basis in the OT. Christianity is a Jewish cult, not a Hindu one :wink:
Christianity had its basis in the same place that the religion of Moses did, namely in the Mystery Teachings of ancient Egypt.

Judaism is a cult born in Babylon circa 500 BC. The Jews themselves did not author the OT, nor have much of anything to do w/ its composition (except for the very last books, chronologically speaking), nor does Judaism have much to do w/ Christianity. If anything, Christianity is a very strong counterpoint to Judaism, opposing it in almost every way.

Correct. They held to the same that the Babylonians did, only the rejected all deities but the Goddess of life and fertility. In Canaan a 2nd cult grew out of the local religion rejecting all deities but the God of war. At some point the 2 merged and formed the Jewish Faith merging there 2 deities hence the fact that "God" is an It as it is unisex.

:lol: That's not factual.

It is. You just need to look outside the bible to find the facts.
I have 2 good points supporting me. God never said He was the only one, all he said was he was greedy and you can find that in the Bible. The other point is when He says "Let us create man in our image. The counter argument is He was talking to Jesus, but as per the Christian fath Jesus was God and one of the Holy Trenity. So that cannot be as God would not use us if talking to Himself.


Interesting point...you are saying God is one of many.....
Almost like Q in the Q Continum on Star Trek-TNG or on SG1...

Yes, but I'd rather use more respected analogies.

Guess it just depends on who you are talking to. Respectable doesn't always mean well-known or relate-able.
Interesting fact, Star Trek does (did) have scientific and technical advisers on the set and during script writings/readings. I am not sure about SG1, but I would think they would have similar consultants.

[John]

David Kelly wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: David Kelly wrote: psholtz wrote: wannabe wrote: But I digress.....no, no he wasn't....everything he preached had a basis in the OT. Christianity is a Jewish cult, not a Hindu one :wink:
Christianity had its basis in the same place that the religion of Moses did, namely in the Mystery Teachings of ancient Egypt.

Judaism is a cult born in Babylon circa 500 BC. The Jews themselves did not author the OT, nor have much of anything to do w/ its composition (except for the very last books, chronologically speaking), nor does Judaism have much to do w/ Christianity. If anything, Christianity is a very strong counterpoint to Judaism, opposing it in almost every way.

Correct. They held to the same that the Babylonians did, only the rejected all deities but the Goddess of life and fertility. In Canaan a 2nd cult grew out of the local religion rejecting all deities but the God of war. At some point the 2 merged and formed the Jewish Faith merging there 2 deities hence the fact that "God" is an It as it is unisex.

:lol: That's not factual.

It is. You just need to look outside the bible to find the facts.
I have 2 good points supporting me. God never said He was the only one, all he said was he was greedy and you can find that in the Bible.

Not so.

Isaiah 45
21 "Declare and set forth your case;
Indeed, let them consult together
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.



Isaiah 43

10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11 "I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.
12 "It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And I am God.
13 "Even from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?"

[wormwood]

psholtz:
Quote: Anger and violence have always been issues in the Jewish community.

Jesus' ministry was directed specifically at the Jews, and so the bulk of his ministry was aimed at specifically countering those morals impediments which were holding the Jewish community back and away from God. Anger, violence and hate were foremost among these moral issues, and compassion is a great antidote to them.

Hence Jesus' repeatedly stressing compassion and mercy.. Interesting theory. Wasn't it God that told moses to enter certain villages and kill every living thing during the exodus? I am not saying that the Jewish communities didn't historically have their share of problems, but in the spirit of this conversation I suppose we have to take divine inspiration into consideration. Why would God have the Jews behave so violently, then have Jesus come to preach about peace, only to die violently himself?

David Kelly:
Quote: It is. You just need to look outside the bible to find the facts.
I have 2 good points supporting me. God never said He was the only one, all he said was he was greedy and you can find that in the Bible. The other point is when He says "Let us create man in our image. The counter argument is He was talking to Jesus, but as per the Christian fath Jesus was God and one of the Holy Trenity. So that cannot be as God would not use us if talking to Himself. I have made similar points before. After reading this, then reading John's response, something occurs to me: in genesis God does indeed make multiple references to multiple Gods..."...lest man eat the fruit and become like one of us" etc. God also says do not worship other gods BEFORE him. Then he goes on to say: Quote: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. But John's quotes are all from Isaiah, which happens much later. I went to an outside source and noticed that the middle eastern polytheistic religions did go through a transformation in that time frame. Many cultures still worshiped these gods, but their records no longer claim the gods lived among them in the flesh. There was apparently a war of the gods where many gods died and the rest fled the earth. According to the mythology, Marduk was the only god left on earth in person at one time. Most of the gods were killed by a great light that caused "a wind that can kill" (nuclear holocaust anyone?). My point is, when genesis occurred perhaps there were more "gods" or beings we perceived as gods, participating in earthly politics. By the time of Isaiah, even the cultures who were not Jewish agreed that their gods were no longer present, or at least stopped writing about them as if they appeared in person for certain ceremonies. So both positions could technically be correct.

[psholtz]

wormwood wrote: psholtz:
Quote: Anger and violence have always been issues in the Jewish community.

Jesus' ministry was directed specifically at the Jews, and so the bulk of his ministry was aimed at specifically countering those morals impediments which were holding the Jewish community back and away from God. Anger, violence and hate were foremost among these moral issues, and compassion is a great antidote to them.

Hence Jesus' repeatedly stressing compassion and mercy.. Interesting theory. Wasn't it God that told moses to enter certain villages and kill every living thing during the exodus? I am not saying that the Jewish communities didn't historically have their share of problems, but in the spirit of this conversation I suppose we have to take divine inspiration into consideration. Why would God have the Jews behave so violently, then have Jesus come to preach about peace, only to die violently himself?
The idea of permitting the general public to read from the Torah is a rather recent one.. and even today, Jews can still get antsy about it, esp when a Gentile tries to read Torah in the original Hebrew. Partly this has to do w/ the fact that the information was originally kept only on scarce scrolls, and partly it has to do w/ good old fashion power and controls. For example, it's well known too that the Catholic Church for a long time permitted Mass only to be read in Latin - precisely so that none of the "common" folk could actually understand it, and the Roman Church was quite reluctant permit the Bible to be read - even in Latin - by the laity.

I believe William Tyndale was executed by the Church for trying to translate the Bible into English.

Point is, yes the Torah speaks of killing entire towns and races of people, but this was information that - historically speaking - had been kept quite "secret" and was revealed only to an "initiated" few. Perhaps its not as "secret" as other information that was handed down by the secret socities and initiate Priests, but it was information that was intended to be kept from the general public.

The reason is that very little of this should be taken literally.

For instance, the Bible speaks of how the Israelites are commanded to wage "eternal war" against the Amorites, and how they must not permit even one Amorite to remain alive, etc, etc. I've seen Jews on this forum (and elsewhere) use this as an excuse and justification for Israeli extermination policies in Palestine, directed against the Palestinians.

OK ...

The problem is that Amorite is derived from an Aramaic word meaning "lust" .. when the Bible speaks of the Israelites being command to "drive out the Amorites" and "leave not one Amorite alive", and that "God is eternally at war w/ the Amorites", etc, what that means is simply that God does not tolerate lust. The emotion of lust must be brought under control (as the plague in Egypt (at the time of Moses/Exodus) that fell upon the animals in the field .. only those animals - animals being symbolic of carnal thoughts like lust, etc - which were outside in the field and which were not brought into the stables, i.e., only those animals (i.e., thoughts) which were still roaming wild and which had not been domesticated, only those animals were killed by the plague sent by God.. not the animals that the Egyptians had brought under control and brought in from the field).

Jesus rephrased this in the slightly less genocidal "If you even look upon a woman w/ lust in your heart, you have committed a sin". Same identical concept, just communicated two different ways.

I guess I've gone through this long explanation to say I'm not certain you can draw the conclusion that the ancient Israelites and/or Jews were genocidal maniacs, just b/c their religious Scriptures seem to glorify violence and genocide and mass slaugther. The vast majority of the population most likely never saw or heard any such Scripture firsthand, but instead had to take everyone on "hearsay" from the local Levitical preist. But you can conclude, from reading the later, "historical" books in the OT canon, as well as pretty much the entire NT, that the Jews (of that era, at least) were prone to violent outbursts and a message of compassion and mercy was sorely needed in that community.

Jesus and his co-workers the Apostles helped deliver that message.. first to the Jews and then to the rest of humanity.

[Gilbert1908]

John wrote: David Kelly wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: David Kelly wrote: psholtz wrote: wannabe wrote: But I digress.....no, no he wasn't....everything he preached had a basis in the OT. Christianity is a Jewish cult, not a Hindu one :wink:
Christianity had its basis in the same place that the religion of Moses did, namely in the Mystery Teachings of ancient Egypt.

Judaism is a cult born in Babylon circa 500 BC. The Jews themselves did not author the OT, nor have much of anything to do w/ its composition (except for the very last books, chronologically speaking), nor does Judaism have much to do w/ Christianity. If anything, Christianity is a very strong counterpoint to Judaism, opposing it in almost every way.

Correct. They held to the same that the Babylonians did, only the rejected all deities but the Goddess of life and fertility. In Canaan a 2nd cult grew out of the local religion rejecting all deities but the God of war. At some point the 2 merged and formed the Jewish Faith merging there 2 deities hence the fact that "God" is an It as it is unisex.

:lol: That's not factual.

It is. You just need to look outside the bible to find the facts.
I have 2 good points supporting me. God never said He was the only one, all he said was he was greedy and you can find that in the Bible.

Not so.

Isaiah 45
21 "Declare and set forth your case;
Indeed, let them consult together
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.



Isaiah 43

10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11 "I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.
12 "It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And I am God.
13 "Even from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?"

So you think Isaiah has more to offer than Mr. Spock?

[David Kelly]

Quote: Not so.

Isaiah 45
21 "Declare and set forth your case;
Indeed, let them consult together
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.



Isaiah 43

10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11 "I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.
12 "It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And I am God.
13 "Even from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?"

I'd like to point out God and LORD, both proper nones. As God dosen't have any clones of chorse He is the only one.
Now if you were to say only god and only lord then maybe, but even then what of goddesses or the fact that there has ben/are Human lords?

[John]

David Kelly wrote: Quote: Not so.

Isaiah 45
21 "Declare and set forth your case;
Indeed, let them consult together
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.



Isaiah 43

10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11 "I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.
12 "It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And I am God.
13 "Even from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?"

I'd like to point out God and LORD, both proper nones. As God dosen't have any clones of chorse He is the only one.
Now if you were to say only god and only lord then maybe, but even then what of goddesses or the fact that there has ben/are Human lords?


You're reaching. :-D

[John]

Quote: But John's quotes are all from Isaiah, which happens much later. I went to an outside source and noticed that the middle eastern polytheistic religions did go through a transformation in that time frame. Many cultures still worshiped these gods, but their records no longer claim the gods lived among them in the flesh. There was apparently a war of the gods where many gods died and the rest fled the earth. According to the mythology, Marduk was the only god left on earth in person at one time. Most of the gods were killed by a great light that caused "a wind that can kill" (nuclear holocaust anyone?). My point is, when genesis occurred perhaps there were more "gods" or beings we perceived as gods, participating in earthly politics. By the time of Isaiah, even the cultures who were not Jewish agreed that their gods were no longer present, or at least stopped writing about them as if they appeared in person for certain ceremonies. So both positions could technically be correct.

Isaiah 6
8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

9 He said, "Go, and tell this people:
'Keep on listening, but do not perceive;
Keep on looking, but do not understand.'
10 "Render the hearts of this people insensitive,
Their ears dull,
And their eyes dim,
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
Hear with their ears,
Understand with their hearts,
And return and be healed."





Try again.


:wink:

[David Kelly]

John wrote: David Kelly wrote: Quote: Not so.

Isaiah 45
21 "Declare and set forth your case;
Indeed, let them consult together
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.



Isaiah 43

10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11 "I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.
12 "It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And I am God.
13 "Even from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?"

I'd like to point out God and LORD, both proper nones. As God dosen't have any clones of chorse He is the only one.
Now if you were to say only god and only lord then maybe, but even then what of goddesses or the fact that there has ben/are Human lords?


You're reaching. :-D

No I'm not. Read the bible and you will find ther term god and lord as well as God and LORD. All that stuff you posted said God and LORD, not god and lord.
Find somthing that shoots my argument down that says god rather then God and I'll conider your argument.

No I'm not an athiest, but rather a Christian. Only I've seen nothing pertaining to 1 God in the bible after taking a closer look.
I'll post some verces to prove my point tomarrow, I'm too tiered right now.

[John]

David Kelly wrote: John wrote: David Kelly wrote: Quote: Not so.

Isaiah 45
21 "Declare and set forth your case;
Indeed, let them consult together
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.



Isaiah 43

10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11 "I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.
12 "It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And I am God.
13 "Even from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?"

I'd like to point out God and LORD, both proper nones. As God dosen't have any clones of chorse He is the only one.
Now if you were to say only god and only lord then maybe, but even then what of goddesses or the fact that there has ben/are Human lords?


You're reaching. :-D

No I'm not. Read the bible and you will find ther term god and lord as well as God and LORD. All that stuff you posted said God and LORD, not god and lord.
Find somthing that shoots my argument down that says god rather then God and I'll conider your argument.

No I'm not an athiest, but rather a Christian. Only I've seen nothing pertaining to 1 God in the bible after taking a closer look.
I'll post some verces to prove my point tomarrow, I'm too tiered right now.


There is God (who created everthing)...and then there are things and beings mistaken and treated like God. This world serves Satan more than God....so in effect Satan is the "god" of this world...but that doesn't mean Satan is God or even a god in reality. He is a created being.

There is only one true God.


Time is short. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Just pray and ask Him to show you the Truth of it all.

[David Kelly]

I agree with the Jesus thing, but name just 1 obvious statement that there is only 1 god. You'll find every statement that looks like it rejects my argument says God as in a name rather then god as in a deity.

[David Kelly]

I agree with the Jesus thing, but name just 1 obvious statement that there is only 1 god. You'll find every statement that looks like it rejects my argument says God as in a name rather then god as in a deity.

[John]

David Kelly wrote: I agree with the Jesus thing, but name just 1 obvious statement that there is only 1 god. You'll find every statement that looks like it rejects my argument says God as in a name rather then god as in a deity.

Adonai isn't a name.

[David Kelly]

John wrote: David Kelly wrote: I agree with the Jesus thing, but name just 1 obvious statement that there is only 1 god. You'll find every statement that looks like it rejects my argument says God as in a name rather then god as in a deity.

Adonai isn't a name.

No, but that's how it's used. I understand God isn't God's name, but God is still used in place of god. Haven't you ever wondered why?

[John]

David Kelly wrote: John wrote: David Kelly wrote: I agree with the Jesus thing, but name just 1 obvious statement that there is only 1 god. You'll find every statement that looks like it rejects my argument says God as in a name rather then god as in a deity.

Adonai isn't a name.

No, but that's how it's used. I understand God isn't God's name, but God is still used in place of god. Haven't you ever wondered why?

It's used that way because there is only ONE God.


Besides...if you were smart you'd point out that Adonai is the plural form of lord. And I'd show you how that proves my point even more.

[TheTME]

John wrote: David Kelly wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: David Kelly wrote: psholtz wrote: wannabe wrote: But I digress.....no, no he wasn't....everything he preached had a basis in the OT. Christianity is a Jewish cult, not a Hindu one :wink:
Christianity had its basis in the same place that the religion of Moses did, namely in the Mystery Teachings of ancient Egypt.

Judaism is a cult born in Babylon circa 500 BC. The Jews themselves did not author the OT, nor have much of anything to do w/ its composition (except for the very last books, chronologically speaking), nor does Judaism have much to do w/ Christianity. If anything, Christianity is a very strong counterpoint to Judaism, opposing it in almost every way.

Correct. They held to the same that the Babylonians did, only the rejected all deities but the Goddess of life and fertility. In Canaan a 2nd cult grew out of the local religion rejecting all deities but the God of war. At some point the 2 merged and formed the Jewish Faith merging there 2 deities hence the fact that "God" is an It as it is unisex.

:lol: That's not factual.

It is. You just need to look outside the bible to find the facts.
I have 2 good points supporting me. God never said He was the only one, all he said was he was greedy and you can find that in the Bible.

Not so.

Isaiah 45
21 "Declare and set forth your case;
Indeed, let them consult together
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.



Isaiah 43

10 "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11 "I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.
12 "It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
And there was no strange god among you;
So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And I am God.
13 "Even from eternity I am He,
And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
I act and who can reverse it?"

Elohim much? Try looking around older text such as the torah, the first scripture.