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oscar198 · Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 5

Some newspapers like EL MUNDO or LibertadDigital www.libertaddigital.com have investigated the terrorists attacks of 3/11 in Madrid and we can see at this moment that:

34 of the 40 terrorists were monitorized by police or they worked by Police, like the man who lead the sold of the bombs, Trashorras.

One member of the Socialist Party met with one of the terrorist before the terrorists attacks.

The man who released the mobile cards was a national Police that it was the bodyguard of one famous judge called Garzon that was the number 2 of the Socialist Party in the elections of 1993 and the sister was the translator of this judge. One report of one unit of the police tells us that this man made the bombs too.

One member entered the socialist party a couple months after the bombings. Needing two supporters, it has not been known who two members gave the green ligth to his acceptance.

The three proofs that lead the Police to detain the Muslims are FAKE. Now we know that the van RENAULT KANGOO was empty because the polices who examined the van in the station said that the load zone was empty
and the dogs didn´t detect explosives, but when the van had went in the Police-Station of Canillas appeared 60 objects in load zone, an Islamic record, goma-2 explosive and detonators. Moreover there were rests of Methenamina, a substance used in military explosives.

The car Skoda Fabia appeared three months after the terrorists attacks beside the van was empty in the five first inspections but later appeared DNA of one terrorist.

Furthermore we know that the bag which leads the police to detain Muslims the day before the general elections was also a fake. The police that picked up the objects of the trains said that this bag wasn´t in the trains like the TEDAX says which had inspected the trains two times and this bag with a Mobil phone and a phone card appeared magically in a police-station at middle night.
Furthermore we know that the phone had bad configured the hour to explode, the cables were unconnected and there wasn´t enough electric power to guarantee the explosion of the mobiles. We can see like the terrorists of Canada had an auxiliary circuit to solve it.

Other mystery is the suicide of the terrorist in Leganes because now we know that one of the terrorist had the trousers the other way around, two of the terrorists had no detonator in the explosive belts and this bombs obviosly hadn´t exploded. Moreover we know that nobody saw the terrorists alive in this flat during that day. The official story tell us that the police arrived in the muslim flat and then the Muslims shot during hours and we know that ther wasn´t holes in the street or in the buildings and it only appeared five case of the bullets which can be bullets of police and a silencer. Furthermore the terrorists weapons were placed in the closed. Other enigma is that there were two centers ( focus ) os explosions.

And the big mystery is.... what has exploded in the trains ? The official story tell as that exploded dynamit goma-2 eco that was used by this muslims to deal...but one report of one division of the TEDAX ( technicals in explosives of the police) tells that it was used military explosive like c3 or c4 that wasn´t used by muslims.

Moreover the police tell us that all Muslims were dangerous Islamics...but now we know that they were in almost dealers or police-informers. This dealers dealt in the north of spain, in the Basque Country and someone of them were related with ETA like one Muslim that was named " The Chinese ".

There ware more so many enigmas but i cant spend more time.

And now Spanish people asks themselves, What hide the government ? Wether all was a big failure of Aznar .. we ask the reason of the government not to investigate and because they closed an investigation commission in the Spanish Parliament.

Sorry for the orthography, I´m not American or English.

Tell me your opinion.

P.D: In spain we have experience with terrorist of state, like the GAL that was a terrorist group maked by socialists.

pedagogue · Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 3752 Location: Galveston, TX

Puesto que usted está siguiendo la edición en Madrid, cambiaré a usar al sospechoso de la lengua I que usted es más cómodo con. ¿Hay la ocasión que el partido que vino accionar después de que los ataques de Madrid podrían estar detrás de esto?

oscar198 · Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 5

pedagogue wrote: Puesto que usted está siguiendo la edición en Madrid, cambiaré a usar al sospechoso de la lengua I que usted es más cómodo con. ¿Hay la ocasión que el partido que vino accionar después de que los ataques de Madrid podrían estar detrás de esto?

Thanks for use spanish but i will write in spanish because at this way all people will understand us.

I dont know who made this, but i only know that this muslims didn´t do this. Other enigma, there isn´t videos or photos in the stations in which we could see the muslims planting the bombs. We know there are people in this story that its related with GAL ( see wikipedia ), for example....the boss of the police unit that monitorized the dealers who sold the bombs was a member of the GAL, or the police who made the bombs is said to be related with Rafael Vera( ex secretary of state that was implicated in the GAL and he was in prision for it ). All ways in this story leads us to people of the GAL, at least falsifing proofs.
The boss of the policestation in whick appeared the fake bag was judge for
falsifing reports in the GAL.... And for illegal detenctions in spain of two members of People`s Party and falsifing...yes...reports and proofs.... some months ago.

I think that socialists are implied at making this fakes at least. ¿ Who planted the bombs ? I dont know, but i think that it must be a conection because the people who made the fakes people who planted the bombs.

oscar198 · Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 5

I need your opinion, thanks.

Holy Hand Grenade · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 1728 Location: Miami, FL, USA

Oscar, I'm just guessing here, but I think most of the people on this forum know next to nothing of spanish politics. There's a lot in your post about political figures and parties that, frankly, I don't know anything about.
It's hard for me to make any kind of judgement on what you've presented us. I'm not equipped with enough knowledge of all the facets of the case to make an intelligent or even slightly accurate comment.

oscar198 · Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 5

ELMUNDO NEWSPAPER PUBLISHES TODAY THE CONFESSION OF THE MAN WHO IS ACUSSED TO SELL BOMBS OF MADRID. HE SAYS THAT MADRID BOMBS ARE = coup d'etat .

He says that Police try to give him a house and money to keep their silence and to acusse two muslims. And he says that POLICE controlled all operation of the terrorists attacks.[

justpassingthrough · Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:27 am Post subject:

oscar198 wrote: I need your opinion, thanks.

I think it's nice to see a newpaper seriously looking at the alternative theories out there, that doesn't seem to happen enough.

I haven't done much research into the Madrid attacks but IMO I see too many connections between governments and terrorists for me to believe that there is as clear of a line between the two as we are led to believe.

Concerning global terrorism, my BS meter is filled to a point where I am incredibly skeptical of any apparent terrorist plot or attack.

Timmytour · Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 6863

I wonder if the 911 days after 9/11 date of the bombings represented another effort to link it to Al Qaeda ..?

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:24 am Post subject:

The main failing in conspiracy theories is the lack of plausible motive.

why would the spanish goverment fake the 3/11 bombings?

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

thefranzkafkafront wrote: The main failing in conspiracy theories is the lack of plausible motive.

why would the spanish goverment fake the 3/11 bombings?
Same reason the U.S. government carried out 9/11..

As a pretext for ushering in a police state, and controlling its population through terror.

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 10232

Ahh... apparently everyone and everything is a conspiracy. What a boring life some must lead that they must invent exciting things to believe in and think about!

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:51 am Post subject:

psholtz wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: The main failing in conspiracy theories is the lack of plausible motive.

why would the spanish goverment fake the 3/11 bombings?
Same reason the U.S. government carried out 9/11..

As a pretext for ushering in a police state, and controlling its population through terror.

Sorry im with maddox on this one.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 10232

thefranzkafkafront wrote: psholtz wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: The main failing in conspiracy theories is the lack of plausible motive.

why would the spanish goverment fake the 3/11 bombings?
Same reason the U.S. government carried out 9/11..

As a pretext for ushering in a police state, and controlling its population through terror.

Sorry im with maddox on this one.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

:lol:

Oh so true... here's the best passage:

"So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's s**t-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation? "

The more I see and listen to Glen Beck, the more I realize this guy's an idiot whack-job.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

thefranzkafkafront wrote: psholtz wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: The main failing in conspiracy theories is the lack of plausible motive.

why would the spanish goverment fake the 3/11 bombings?
Same reason the U.S. government carried out 9/11..

As a pretext for ushering in a police state, and controlling its population through terror.

Sorry im with maddox on this one.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
Let's see...

So you believe the government would not permit anyone to live who dares to speak out or criticize them?

Then gee.. I guess you admit that we are living in a military police-state dictatorship.

That's for agreeing w/ me.. :-D

Reform · Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:45 am Post subject:

Well.
First El Mundo is a mainstream corporate newspaper. Which means they will tend to spread conservative (right wing) propaganda. Being part of a corporate power structure.

If there was any foul play here, it probably came from the right wing party.

Secondly, however, following another line of thought one could also argue that the socialists were involved. In that the Socialist and Conservative parties are just the same, while pretending to be different. A sort of two party, pseudo-democratic dictatorship. This being the case in the UK, USA, France, and others right now. Although the socialists did call back spannish troops from Iraq, which is a pretty strong bit of evidence against this supposition.

Also, Aznar has good relations with Bush, and Bush's political entourage (PNAC) certainly has a finger pointing towards them as far as the 9/11 story inconcistencies go.

Also Bush is a corporate partner of Bin Laden, US officials met with Bin Laden around June of 2001.

One thing is for sure, that mainstream corporate media cannot be trusted and is part of the neo-liberal movement whether in socialist, communist or conservative form. (In most cases)

Past evidence of terrorism as a means of power.

Hitler and the Reichstag fire, he had it blamed on his opponents.

Mosadeqh of Iran who was taken out of power when the US power structure organised terrorist bombs in Iran and had it blamed on Mosadeq

...

Espero que te ayude en tu busqueda de la verdad.

Un saludo, companero.

Felix · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 301 Location: The End of Time

Timmytour wrote: I wonder if the 911 days after 9/11 date of the bombings represented another effort to link it to Al Qaeda ..?

As far as I know, it wasn't Al Qaeda, but rather a small group who were inspired by Al Qaeda. It seems that group is so highly decentralized now, it, might not even exist as a coherent organization. But what's worse is the inspiration that they have on Muslim extremists who have no previous connection to them.

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject:

Reform wrote: Well.
First El Mundo is a mainstream corporate newspaper. Which means they will tend to spread conservative (right wing) propaganda. Being part of a corporate power structure.

If there was any foul play here, it probably came from the right wing party.

Why not just start off 'I'll make some ad homs and gross assumptions to kick my point off.'

Also read up on El Mundo, its certainly not a 'right wing paper' as it regularlly attacks the guarda civil.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 17927 Location: Bliss

thefranzkafkafront wrote: psholtz wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: The main failing in conspiracy theories is the lack of plausible motive.

why would the spanish goverment fake the 3/11 bombings?
Same reason the U.S. government carried out 9/11..

As a pretext for ushering in a police state, and controlling its population through terror.

Sorry im with maddox on this one.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

The best quote is:

"I win. There is no conspiracy. Eat my s**t, losers."

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 17927 Location: Bliss

pedagogue wrote: Puesto que usted está siguiendo la edición en Madrid, cambiaré a usar al sospechoso de la lengua I que usted es más cómodo con. ¿Hay la ocasión que el partido que vino accionar después de que los ataques de Madrid podrían estar detrás de esto?

HOLY CRAP I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN FOREVER!

Welcome back.

oscar198 · Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 5

THIS NEWS CONCLUDES THAT POLICES ARE THE AUTORS OF MADRID BOMBS. MADRID BOMBS WERE A ATTACK TO GIVE THE POWER TO SOCIALISTS AND KICK AZNAR.