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[George W Bush]

Cough/cold medicine in tablet form are now a controlled substance according to recent legislation passed.

Legislation further dictates non-pharmacy's can not sell cough/cold medicine in tablet form. This means no more trips to the 7-11 to get your OTC meds for cough and cold.

In addition, a pharmacist or pharmacist technician can only sell them to you.

All of this was sneakily passed through the Patriot Act last June. I know I have whined about this before, but the new information is that

COUGH MEDICINE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!

You can read this FAQ from Missouris website. Yes, I know its a state website but the law is FEDERAL and so applies to all states.

What do you think?

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BNDD/PseudoephedrineFAQs.html

Heres a nice article related to this issue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/03/revised_patriot_act_targets_al.html

Capitol Hill Blue Online wrote:
Revised Patriot Act targets allergy, cold meds
March 7, 2006 6:53 AM / FUBAR | 28 Comments .
By LAURIE KELLMAN

Suffer from springtime allergies? You could be among the first affected by the USA Patriot Act poised for final congressional passage this week.

Besides terrorism, the bill takes aim at the production of methamphetamine, a highly addictive drug that cannot be manufactured without a key ingredient of everyday cold and allergy medicines. The bill would impose new limits next month for how much relief a person can buy over the counter.

And beginning Sept. 30, it'll take a flash of ID to buy that medication.

The legislation sponsored by Sens. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. and Jim Talent, R-Mo., would blanket the nation with one policy that would put medicines containing pseudoephedrine behind the counter and out of the reach of meth cooks.

"If we leave it up to local jurisdiction, we're simply going to move the problem from one jurisdiction to another without addressing the root cause," said Fresno, Calif., Police Chief Jerry Dyer.

Pass a state or local law cracking down on methamphetamine production, set off a cycle that goes something like this:

The black market price of cold tablets needed to make the drug skyrockets, driving the meth makers to the jurisdiction next door. There, they buy it in bulk _ legally, cheaply, anonymously.

That is, until that state or city gets tough on meth with new laws of its own.

Rather than wait for localities to stitch together a patchwork of anti meth policies, the provision of the Patriot Act would leave meth producers nowhere to run but out of the country. It takes aim at the meth trade's weakest point _ the supply of pseudoephedrine.

Beginning 30 days after President Bush signs the law, expected sometime this week, purchase limits go into effect. One person would be limited to buying 300, 30-mg pills in a month or 120 such pills in a day. The measure would make an exception for "single-use" sales _ individually packaged pseudoephedrine products.

Many retailers, such as Kmart, Walgreens, Target and Wal-Mart, have already adopted guidelines to limit customer access to cold products or to limit their sales.

Similar state and local restrictions have caused seizures of meth labs to plunge by double-digit percentages in such states as Arkansas, Oregon and Missouri.

At the same time, drug agents began finding more meth from Mexican cartels on the street.

Still, closing down domestic meth labs is of unique urgency to public health and safety, law enforcement officials said.

The drug is made in clandestine labs with battery acid, drain cleaner or other chemicals that help turn the cold and allergy medicine into powder.

One quart of ether, another ingredient, holds the explosive power of several sticks of dynamite, said Sgt. Jason Grellner of the Franklin County, Mo., Narcotics Enforcement Unit, which has seized 600 meth labs since 1998 in a jurisdiction of 100,000 people.

Wading into the toxic soup of a meth lab puts officers in situations for which they are not necessarily trained, Grellner said.

"They have to know the job of a hazardous-waste chemist. They have to have the mindset of a firefighter. They have to be a natural-resources worker," Grellner said. "Wearing that many hats is a safety concern."

And an abandoned lab becomes an environmental hazard, pointed out Dyer.

"They were leaving the chemicals and equipment out in the open and vacating the property," Dyer said. "They found out that we started to trace down suspects with that equipment. Now they are burying these same items underground."

Oklahoma provides evidence that driving out meth labs doesn't mean getting rid of meth. Oklahoma's meth lab seizures have fallen 90 percent since April 2004, when it became the first state to ban over-the-counter sales of everyday cold and allergy medications.

At the same time, seizures of smokeable Mexican meth known as "crystal ice" rose nearly fivefold, from 384 cases in the 15 months before the law to 1,875 since.

"We're going to see trafficking by Mexican cartel organizations, on a much larger scale," Grellner said.

[John Galt]

Give an inch, take a mile. Not suprised. IMO, of course, there should be no federal meddling in our health care in any way, nor our recreation. But what can one do? If you accept the idea of the FDA or USDA or SS or Medicare well, I really don't see how you can really complain. Government does know best, after all.

[George W Bush]

John Galt wrote: Give an inch, take a mile. Not suprised. IMO, of course, there should be no federal meddling in our health care in any way, nor our recreation. But what can one do? If you accept the idea of the FDA or USDA or SS or Medicare well, I really don't see how you can really complain. Government does know best, after all.

certianly they are paid to assure our best interests.
however, this type of legislation is using the small percentage of criminals to justify yet another controlled substance.

now, consider the implication of being convicted for having this medicine in your possession under the current legal consideration: you would have a record that you are a drug abuser! Bye bye employment opportunities, etc.

I do not mind the motivation to prevent meth production. However, I do mind the extension of an already debateable drug schedule and the means by which people must now abide.

In addition, what smart meth producer will now use pharmacy to get their ephedrine?
None. Now, another channel will open creating even MORE problems this government cannot control: import of the substance from other countries besides Mexico.

Its push down/pop up affect this incompetent government cannot control, and the illusion they are controlling it through this legislation is just that: eye candy to make it seem like they are capable of doing SOMETHING against meth production.

[Wolverine]

W00t, now the people of Podunk will have to spend more money on gas driving up to the city for the much needed meds.

[perdidochas]

George W Bush wrote: Cough/cold medicine in tablet form are now a controlled substance according to recent legislation passed.

Legislation further dictates non-pharmacy's can not sell cough/cold medicine in tablet form. This means no more trips to the 7-11 to get your OTC meds for cough and cold.

In addition, a pharmacist or pharmacist technician can only sell them to you.

Well, GW, you need to be a bit more careful in your research.. The first is that the provisions about pharmacist/pharmacy technician are Missouri Law, not federal law in the Patriot act. Single doses of pseudoephedrine will still be allowed to be sold at convenience stores, etc.

George W Bush wrote: All of this was sneakily passed through the Patriot Act last June. I know I have whined about this before, but the new information is that

COUGH MEDICINE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!

You can read this FAQ from Missouris website. Yes, I know its a state website but the law is FEDERAL and so applies to all states.

What do you think?

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BNDD/PseudoephedrineFAQs.html

Heres a nice article related to this issue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/03/revised_patriot_act_targets_al.html


Federal law doesn't say all of that that you claim it does. Missouri law is stricter than federal law on Pseudoephedrine.

[Free Thinkr]

You know what our drug laws are? A leaky dam. You put your finger in one hole, and the volume of water coming through the other holes increases proportionally. This is another waste of effort.

[George W Bush]

perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: Cough/cold medicine in tablet form are now a controlled substance according to recent legislation passed.

Legislation further dictates non-pharmacy's can not sell cough/cold medicine in tablet form. This means no more trips to the 7-11 to get your OTC meds for cough and cold.

In addition, a pharmacist or pharmacist technician can only sell them to you.

Well, GW, you need to be a bit more careful in your research.. The first is that the provisions about pharmacist/pharmacy technician are Missouri Law, not federal law in the Patriot act. Single doses of pseudoephedrine will still be allowed to be sold at convenience stores, etc.

George W Bush wrote: All of this was sneakily passed through the Patriot Act last June. I know I have whined about this before, but the new information is that

COUGH MEDICINE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!

You can read this FAQ from Missouris website. Yes, I know its a state website but the law is FEDERAL and so applies to all states.

What do you think?

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BNDD/PseudoephedrineFAQs.html

Heres a nice article related to this issue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/03/revised_patriot_act_targets_al.html


Federal law doesn't say all of that that you claim it does. Missouri law is stricter than federal law on Pseudoephedrine.

ok. but, why is it a controlled substance?

That is my main beef. Regardless of how its handled. the point is this overzealous aim to legislate cough medicine.

[George W Bush]

Free Thinkr wrote: You know what our drug laws are? A leaky dam. You put your finger in one hole, and the volume of water coming through the other holes increases proportionally. This is another waste of effort.

exactly.

it's becoming a joke. i mean, consider the internet. you can buy just about any drug from other country's

the only hope the government has is that people dont realize this and exploit it.

other than that, the free state of the net leaves the DEA relatively powerless.

[Quicksurf]

Congress...always working hard with our money. :wink:

[perdidochas]

George W Bush wrote: perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: Cough/cold medicine in tablet form are now a controlled substance according to recent legislation passed.

Legislation further dictates non-pharmacy's can not sell cough/cold medicine in tablet form. This means no more trips to the 7-11 to get your OTC meds for cough and cold.

In addition, a pharmacist or pharmacist technician can only sell them to you.

Well, GW, you need to be a bit more careful in your research.. The first is that the provisions about pharmacist/pharmacy technician are Missouri Law, not federal law in the Patriot act. Single doses of pseudoephedrine will still be allowed to be sold at convenience stores, etc.

George W Bush wrote: All of this was sneakily passed through the Patriot Act last June. I know I have whined about this before, but the new information is that

COUGH MEDICINE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!

You can read this FAQ from Missouris website. Yes, I know its a state website but the law is FEDERAL and so applies to all states.

What do you think?

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BNDD/PseudoephedrineFAQs.html

Heres a nice article related to this issue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/03/revised_patriot_act_targets_al.html


Federal law doesn't say all of that that you claim it does. Missouri law is stricter than federal law on Pseudoephedrine.

ok. but, why is it a controlled substance?

That is my main beef. Regardless of how its handled. the point is this overzealous aim to legislate cough medicine.

No, only cough medicine with decongestants that are precursors to meth. Cough medicine without pseudoephedrine exists.

[George W Bush]

perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: Cough/cold medicine in tablet form are now a controlled substance according to recent legislation passed.

Legislation further dictates non-pharmacy's can not sell cough/cold medicine in tablet form. This means no more trips to the 7-11 to get your OTC meds for cough and cold.

In addition, a pharmacist or pharmacist technician can only sell them to you.

Well, GW, you need to be a bit more careful in your research.. The first is that the provisions about pharmacist/pharmacy technician are Missouri Law, not federal law in the Patriot act. Single doses of pseudoephedrine will still be allowed to be sold at convenience stores, etc.

George W Bush wrote: All of this was sneakily passed through the Patriot Act last June. I know I have whined about this before, but the new information is that

COUGH MEDICINE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!

You can read this FAQ from Missouris website. Yes, I know its a state website but the law is FEDERAL and so applies to all states.

What do you think?

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BNDD/PseudoephedrineFAQs.html

Heres a nice article related to this issue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/03/revised_patriot_act_targets_al.html


Federal law doesn't say all of that that you claim it does. Missouri law is stricter than federal law on Pseudoephedrine.

ok. but, why is it a controlled substance?

That is my main beef. Regardless of how its handled. the point is this overzealous aim to legislate cough medicine.

No, only cough medicine with decongestants that are precursors to meth. Cough medicine without pseudoephedrine exists.

Any cough medicine, should not be a f***ing controlled substance.
Thats my point. Overzealous, retarded response to meth control - and shouldnt have to enact these idiotic laws.
Just say you agree with the law and get it over with.

[californian conservative]

George W Bush wrote: perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: Cough/cold medicine in tablet form are now a controlled substance according to recent legislation passed.

Legislation further dictates non-pharmacy's can not sell cough/cold medicine in tablet form. This means no more trips to the 7-11 to get your OTC meds for cough and cold.

In addition, a pharmacist or pharmacist technician can only sell them to you.

Well, GW, you need to be a bit more careful in your research.. The first is that the provisions about pharmacist/pharmacy technician are Missouri Law, not federal law in the Patriot act. Single doses of pseudoephedrine will still be allowed to be sold at convenience stores, etc.

George W Bush wrote: All of this was sneakily passed through the Patriot Act last June. I know I have whined about this before, but the new information is that

COUGH MEDICINE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!

You can read this FAQ from Missouris website. Yes, I know its a state website but the law is FEDERAL and so applies to all states.

What do you think?

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BNDD/PseudoephedrineFAQs.html

Heres a nice article related to this issue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/03/revised_patriot_act_targets_al.html


Federal law doesn't say all of that that you claim it does. Missouri law is stricter than federal law on Pseudoephedrine.

ok. but, why is it a controlled substance?

That is my main beef. Regardless of how its handled. the point is this overzealous aim to legislate cough medicine.

No, only cough medicine with decongestants that are precursors to meth. Cough medicine without pseudoephedrine exists.

Any cough medicine, should not be a f***ing controlled substance.
Thats my point. Overzealous, retarded response to meth control - and shouldnt have to enact these idiotic laws.
Just say you agree with the law and get it over with.

Just playing devil's advocate for a moment here. It's not the cough medicine itself that brought this on, it's what people used it for. While true that as a percentage meth production is pretty a small for use of the medicine. However it was enough that they considered it necessary.

As a correlary to the first argument, gun control falls under the same argument. There is nothing inherently bad about guns, but it is what some people use it for that gets it controlled. (although i realize that this argument is kind of a stretch to make because you can't accidently kill yourself with a cough pill (well at least without almost being intentional about it))

Although i think it is silly too

[Wolverine]

californian conservative wrote: George W Bush wrote: perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: Cough/cold medicine in tablet form are now a controlled substance according to recent legislation passed.

Legislation further dictates non-pharmacy's can not sell cough/cold medicine in tablet form. This means no more trips to the 7-11 to get your OTC meds for cough and cold.

In addition, a pharmacist or pharmacist technician can only sell them to you.

Well, GW, you need to be a bit more careful in your research.. The first is that the provisions about pharmacist/pharmacy technician are Missouri Law, not federal law in the Patriot act. Single doses of pseudoephedrine will still be allowed to be sold at convenience stores, etc.

George W Bush wrote: All of this was sneakily passed through the Patriot Act last June. I know I have whined about this before, but the new information is that

COUGH MEDICINE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!

You can read this FAQ from Missouris website. Yes, I know its a state website but the law is FEDERAL and so applies to all states.

What do you think?

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BNDD/PseudoephedrineFAQs.html

Heres a nice article related to this issue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/03/revised_patriot_act_targets_al.html

More people OD every year then accidentally shoot themselves.

Anyway, becides that, I agree with your post.

Federal law doesn't say all of that that you claim it does. Missouri law is stricter than federal law on Pseudoephedrine.

ok. but, why is it a controlled substance?

That is my main beef. Regardless of how its handled. the point is this overzealous aim to legislate cough medicine.

No, only cough medicine with decongestants that are precursors to meth. Cough medicine without pseudoephedrine exists.

Any cough medicine, should not be a f***ing controlled substance.
Thats my point. Overzealous, retarded response to meth control - and shouldnt have to enact these idiotic laws.
Just say you agree with the law and get it over with.

Just playing devil's advocate for a moment here. It's not the cough medicine itself that brought this on, it's what people used it for. While true that as a percentage meth production is pretty a small for use of the medicine. However it was enough that they considered it necessary.

As a correlary to the first argument, gun control falls under the same argument. There is nothing inherently bad about guns, but it is what some people use it for that gets it controlled. (although i realize that this argument is kind of a stretch to make because you can't accidently kill yourself with a cough pill (well at least without almost being intentional about it))

Although i think it is silly too

[perdidochas]

George W Bush wrote: perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: Cough/cold medicine in tablet form are now a controlled substance according to recent legislation passed.

Legislation further dictates non-pharmacy's can not sell cough/cold medicine in tablet form. This means no more trips to the 7-11 to get your OTC meds for cough and cold.

In addition, a pharmacist or pharmacist technician can only sell them to you.

Well, GW, you need to be a bit more careful in your research.. The first is that the provisions about pharmacist/pharmacy technician are Missouri Law, not federal law in the Patriot act. Single doses of pseudoephedrine will still be allowed to be sold at convenience stores, etc.

George W Bush wrote: All of this was sneakily passed through the Patriot Act last June. I know I have whined about this before, but the new information is that

COUGH MEDICINE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!

You can read this FAQ from Missouris website. Yes, I know its a state website but the law is FEDERAL and so applies to all states.

What do you think?

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BNDD/PseudoephedrineFAQs.html

Heres a nice article related to this issue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/03/revised_patriot_act_targets_al.html


Federal law doesn't say all of that that you claim it does. Missouri law is stricter than federal law on Pseudoephedrine.

ok. but, why is it a controlled substance?

That is my main beef. Regardless of how its handled. the point is this overzealous aim to legislate cough medicine.

No, only cough medicine with decongestants that are precursors to meth. Cough medicine without pseudoephedrine exists.

Any cough medicine, should not be a f***ing controlled substance.
Thats my point. Overzealous, retarded response to meth control - and shouldnt have to enact these idiotic laws.
Just say you agree with the law and get it over with.

Well, I do agree that it's an overreaction, but I don't see the big deal. So, I have to go to the pharmacist to buy sudafed. It's not a major inconvenience, as the place I usually buy decongestants is right next to the pharmacist's counter anyway.

Also, the most effective cough medicine that I know of is codeine, and prescriptions have been required for it for over 80 yrs.

[brian bennett]

http://antidrugwarczar.blogspot.com/2006/03/myths-madness-meth-monster.html

[perdidochas]

brian bennett wrote: http://antidrugwarczar.blogspot.com/2006/03/myths-madness-meth-monster.html

I disagree with antidrugs main premise. Meth is a major problem. In the local area they bust a meth lab almost every week. They busted one last week in a campground. Meth is dangerous stuff, primarily the chemicals involved in turning that sudafed into meth. Meth itself doesn't worry me. It's meth labs that scare me.

[Babylon_Horuv]

George W Bush wrote: Cough/cold medicine in tablet form are now a controlled substance according to recent legislation passed.

Legislation further dictates non-pharmacy's can not sell cough/cold medicine in tablet form. This means no more trips to the 7-11 to get your OTC meds for cough and cold.

In addition, a pharmacist or pharmacist technician can only sell them to you.

All of this was sneakily passed through the Patriot Act last June. I know I have whined about this before, but the new information is that

COUGH MEDICINE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!

You can read this FAQ from Missouris website. Yes, I know its a state website but the law is FEDERAL and so applies to all states.

What do you think?

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BNDD/PseudoephedrineFAQs.html

Heres a nice article related to this issue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/03/revised_patriot_act_targets_al.html

Capitol Hill Blue Online wrote:
Revised Patriot Act targets allergy, cold meds
March 7, 2006 6:53 AM / FUBAR | 28 Comments .
By LAURIE KELLMAN

Suffer from springtime allergies? You could be among the first affected by the USA Patriot Act poised for final congressional passage this week.

Besides terrorism, the bill takes aim at the production of methamphetamine, a highly addictive drug that cannot be manufactured without a key ingredient of everyday cold and allergy medicines. The bill would impose new limits next month for how much relief a person can buy over the counter.

And beginning Sept. 30, it'll take a flash of ID to buy that medication.

The legislation sponsored by Sens. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. and Jim Talent, R-Mo., would blanket the nation with one policy that would put medicines containing pseudoephedrine behind the counter and out of the reach of meth cooks.

"If we leave it up to local jurisdiction, we're simply going to move the problem from one jurisdiction to another without addressing the root cause," said Fresno, Calif., Police Chief Jerry Dyer.

Pass a state or local law cracking down on methamphetamine production, set off a cycle that goes something like this:

The black market price of cold tablets needed to make the drug skyrockets, driving the meth makers to the jurisdiction next door. There, they buy it in bulk _ legally, cheaply, anonymously.

That is, until that state or city gets tough on meth with new laws of its own.

Rather than wait for localities to stitch together a patchwork of anti meth policies, the provision of the Patriot Act would leave meth producers nowhere to run but out of the country. It takes aim at the meth trade's weakest point _ the supply of pseudoephedrine.

Beginning 30 days after President Bush signs the law, expected sometime this week, purchase limits go into effect. One person would be limited to buying 300, 30-mg pills in a month or 120 such pills in a day. The measure would make an exception for "single-use" sales _ individually packaged pseudoephedrine products.

Many retailers, such as Kmart, Walgreens, Target and Wal-Mart, have already adopted guidelines to limit customer access to cold products or to limit their sales.

Similar state and local restrictions have caused seizures of meth labs to plunge by double-digit percentages in such states as Arkansas, Oregon and Missouri.

At the same time, drug agents began finding more meth from Mexican cartels on the street.

Still, closing down domestic meth labs is of unique urgency to public health and safety, law enforcement officials said.

The drug is made in clandestine labs with battery acid, drain cleaner or other chemicals that help turn the cold and allergy medicine into powder.

One quart of ether, another ingredient, holds the explosive power of several sticks of dynamite, said Sgt. Jason Grellner of the Franklin County, Mo., Narcotics Enforcement Unit, which has seized 600 meth labs since 1998 in a jurisdiction of 100,000 people.

Wading into the toxic soup of a meth lab puts officers in situations for which they are not necessarily trained, Grellner said.

"They have to know the job of a hazardous-waste chemist. They have to have the mindset of a firefighter. They have to be a natural-resources worker," Grellner said. "Wearing that many hats is a safety concern."

And an abandoned lab becomes an environmental hazard, pointed out Dyer.

"They were leaving the chemicals and equipment out in the open and vacating the property," Dyer said. "They found out that we started to trace down suspects with that equipment. Now they are burying these same items underground."

Oklahoma provides evidence that driving out meth labs doesn't mean getting rid of meth. Oklahoma's meth lab seizures have fallen 90 percent since April 2004, when it became the first state to ban over-the-counter sales of everyday cold and allergy medications.

At the same time, seizures of smokeable Mexican meth known as "crystal ice" rose nearly fivefold, from 384 cases in the 15 months before the law to 1,875 since.

"We're going to see trafficking by Mexican cartel organizations, on a much larger scale," Grellner said.


I think the topic header is misleading. I thought this reffered to DXM, pseudoephedrine is actually decongestant and does nothing as far as coughs are concerned. That aside, I am for full drug legalization, but so long as they are illegal it would be nice if meth wasn't the easiest and cheapest to produce, as it is one of the most damaging drugs.

[Babylon_Horuv]

californian conservative wrote: George W Bush wrote: perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: perdidochas wrote: George W Bush wrote: Cough/cold medicine in tablet form are now a controlled substance according to recent legislation passed.

Legislation further dictates non-pharmacy's can not sell cough/cold medicine in tablet form. This means no more trips to the 7-11 to get your OTC meds for cough and cold.

In addition, a pharmacist or pharmacist technician can only sell them to you.

Well, GW, you need to be a bit more careful in your research.. The first is that the provisions about pharmacist/pharmacy technician are Missouri Law, not federal law in the Patriot act. Single doses of pseudoephedrine will still be allowed to be sold at convenience stores, etc.

George W Bush wrote: All of this was sneakily passed through the Patriot Act last June. I know I have whined about this before, but the new information is that

COUGH MEDICINE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!

You can read this FAQ from Missouris website. Yes, I know its a state website but the law is FEDERAL and so applies to all states.

What do you think?

http://www.dhss.mo.gov/BNDD/PseudoephedrineFAQs.html

Heres a nice article related to this issue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/03/revised_patriot_act_targets_al.html


Federal law doesn't say all of that that you claim it does. Missouri law is stricter than federal law on Pseudoephedrine.

ok. but, why is it a controlled substance?

That is my main beef. Regardless of how its handled. the point is this overzealous aim to legislate cough medicine.

No, only cough medicine with decongestants that are precursors to meth. Cough medicine without pseudoephedrine exists.

Any cough medicine, should not be a f***ing controlled substance.
Thats my point. Overzealous, retarded response to meth control - and shouldnt have to enact these idiotic laws.
Just say you agree with the law and get it over with.

Just playing devil's advocate for a moment here. It's not the cough medicine itself that brought this on, it's what people used it for. While true that as a percentage meth production is pretty a small for use of the medicine. However it was enough that they considered it necessary.

As a correlary to the first argument, gun control falls under the same argument. There is nothing inherently bad about guns, but it is what some people use it for that gets it controlled. (although i realize that this argument is kind of a stretch to make because you can't accidently kill yourself with a cough pill (well at least without almost being intentional about it))

Although i think it is silly too

you can kill yourself with psedoephedrine if you are trying to use it to get high, which a lot of people do in fact do.

[brian bennett]

perdidochas wrote: brian bennett wrote: http://antidrugwarczar.blogspot.com/2006/03/myths-madness-meth-monster.html

I disagree with antidrugs main premise. Meth is a major problem. In the local area they bust a meth lab almost every week. They busted one last week in a campground. Meth is dangerous stuff, primarily the chemicals involved in turning that sudafed into meth. Meth itself doesn't worry me. It's meth labs that scare me.

sorry, but meth isn't even close to a "major" problem. busting meth labs is making the news simply because nothing else is going on at the moment, and the media turn it into another feeding frenzy.

and if you are really worried about exploding meth labs there's a really easy way to avoid that: pharmaceutical companies already make "dangerous" chemical concoctions -- including the entire class of amphetamines. strangely enough, they aren't exploding.

lastly, click this link.

as with everything else about the drug war, meth lab explosions are talked about way more than they actually are occuring.

[perdidochas]

brian bennett wrote: perdidochas wrote: brian bennett wrote: http://antidrugwarczar.blogspot.com/2006/03/myths-madness-meth-monster.html

I disagree with antidrugs main premise. Meth is a major problem. In the local area they bust a meth lab almost every week. They busted one last week in a campground. Meth is dangerous stuff, primarily the chemicals involved in turning that sudafed into meth. Meth itself doesn't worry me. It's meth labs that scare me.

sorry, but meth isn't even close to a "major" problem. busting meth labs is making the news simply because nothing else is going on at the moment, and the media turn it into another feeding frenzy.

Meth labs involve people with little chemical knowledge following a cookbook-type recipe with a variety of dangerous chemicals.

brian bennett wrote: and if you are really worried about exploding meth labs there's a really easy way to avoid that: pharmaceutical companies already make "dangerous" chemical concoctions -- including the entire class of amphetamines. strangely enough, they aren't exploding.

Because they have a multi-million dollar infrastructure at their pharmaceutical plants that follow OSHA and EPA regulations. Joe Biker's neighborhood meth lab doesnt. Also, most chemical plants are located away from residential areas. Meth labs tend to be IN residential areas.

brian bennett wrote: lastly, click this link.

as with everything else about the drug war, meth lab explosions are talked about way more than they actually are occuring.

Explosions are the most extreme of the problems, but not the only one I worry about. I worry about the chemical wastes more than I do the explosions. Chemical plants are strictly monitored for effluents. I doubt that Joe Biker's meth lab much worries about it.