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[britboy]

I was watching one of these 'Police Camera Action' programs on telly yesterday .. it had some CCTV footage.

What happened is this guy comes into this convenience store carrying a knife and asks for the cash. She gave him the cash. They he turned and started trying to run out of the store. No way! This woman had used the 'panic' button to lock the store door.

She then calmly picks up a revolver from behind the desk, as this bloke is trying to kick through the door she has locked to desperately get away, and she shot the guy through his spine, and out through the chest. The guy died instantly.

Now the thing was that this show was saying she was a hero, the town had given her a medal, and she was the main deal. The sheriff was laughing about it on telly. She was saying this bravado s**t 'No-one messes w' me or my business'. WHAT??

Now -- I personally would have locked her up for a very long time. This was murder or at best manslaughter. The guy was trying to run away with his stash, he had no intension to cause her any more grief (that night). She forced him to stay there, then blew him away. Now the poor old desperate man is dead. And she has absolutely no fear of facing any kind of punishment whatsoever.

What's your take on this?

[perdidochas]

britboy wrote: I was watching one of these 'Police Camera Action' programs on telly yesterday .. it had some CCTV footage.

What happened is this guy comes into this convenience store carrying a knife and asks for the cash. She gave him the cash. They he turned and started trying to run out of the store. No way! This woman had used the 'panic' button to lock the store door.

She then calmly picks up a revolver from behind the desk, as this bloke is trying to kick through the door she has locked to desperately get away, and she shot the guy through his spine, and out through the chest. The guy died instantly.

Now the thing was that this show was saying she was a hero, the town had given her a medal, and she was the main deal. The sheriff was laughing about it on telly. She was saying this bravado s**t 'No-one messes w' me or my business'. WHAT??

Now -- I personally would have locked her up for a very long time. This was murder or at best manslaughter. The guy was trying to run away with his stash, he had no intension to cause her any more grief (that night). She forced him to stay there, then blew him away. Now the poor old desperate man is dead. And she has absolutely no fear of facing any kind of punishment whatsoever.

What's your take on this?

He threatened her life and if the table were turned, I have no doubt that he would have done the same to her. While I wouldn't have done the same under the circumstances, if I were a prosecutor, I wouldn't charge her, if I were a jury, I would find her not guilty. The criminal element should realize that armed robbery = death.

Also, do you have a specific source for this incident. I don't buy the whole panic button story, honestly.

[Jefferson]

britboy wrote: I was watching one of these 'Police Camera Action' programs on telly yesterday .. it had some CCTV footage.

What happened is this guy comes into this convenience store carrying a knife and asks for the cash. She gave him the cash. They he turned and started trying to run out of the store. No way! This woman had used the 'panic' button to lock the store door.

She then calmly picks up a revolver from behind the desk, as this bloke is trying to kick through the door she has locked to desperately get away, and she shot the guy through his spine, and out through the chest. The guy died instantly.

Now the thing was that this show was saying she was a hero, the town had given her a medal, and she was the main deal. The sheriff was laughing about it on telly. She was saying this bravado s**t 'No-one messes w' me or my business'. WHAT??

Now -- I personally would have locked her up for a very long time. This was murder or at best manslaughter. The guy was trying to run away with his stash, he had no intension to cause her any more grief (that night). She forced him to stay there, then blew him away. Now the poor old desperate man is dead. And she has absolutely no fear of facing any kind of punishment whatsoever.

What's your take on this?

If it is exactly what you describe, then yes she guilty of murder. Also if the felon with the knife is within 21 feet of the shooter, then he is still dangerous. At 21 feet the average male can close this distance with a knife and deliver a leathal knife attack before he dies from gun shot wounds. So he was not harmless.

One question?

Why the heck are you feeling sorry for the 'poor old deserate man'?

He got what he deserved. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.

[britboy]

perdidochas wrote: britboy wrote: I was watching one of these 'Police Camera Action' programs on telly yesterday .. it had some CCTV footage.

What happened is this guy comes into this convenience store carrying a knife and asks for the cash. She gave him the cash. They he turned and started trying to run out of the store. No way! This woman had used the 'panic' button to lock the store door.

She then calmly picks up a revolver from behind the desk, as this bloke is trying to kick through the door she has locked to desperately get away, and she shot the guy through his spine, and out through the chest. The guy died instantly.

Now the thing was that this show was saying she was a hero, the town had given her a medal, and she was the main deal. The sheriff was laughing about it on telly. She was saying this bravado s**t 'No-one messes w' me or my business'. WHAT??

Now -- I personally would have locked her up for a very long time. This was murder or at best manslaughter. The guy was trying to run away with his stash, he had no intension to cause her any more grief (that night). She forced him to stay there, then blew him away. Now the poor old desperate man is dead. And she has absolutely no fear of facing any kind of punishment whatsoever.

What's your take on this?

He threatened her life and if the table were turned, I have no doubt that he would have done the same to her. While I wouldn't have done the same under the circumstances, if I were a prosecutor, I wouldn't charge her, if I were a jury, I would find her not guilty. The criminal element should realize that armed robbery = death.

Also, do you have a specific source for this incident. I don't buy the whole panic button story, honestly.

I suppose I could go through the TV listings to try and find the episode of 'Police Camera Action' it was from. That might help. The story was only on for about 4 minutes though but I'll try tonight ...

[perdidochas]

britboy wrote: perdidochas wrote: britboy wrote: I was watching one of these 'Police Camera Action' programs on telly yesterday .. it had some CCTV footage.

What happened is this guy comes into this convenience store carrying a knife and asks for the cash. She gave him the cash. They he turned and started trying to run out of the store. No way! This woman had used the 'panic' button to lock the store door.

She then calmly picks up a revolver from behind the desk, as this bloke is trying to kick through the door she has locked to desperately get away, and she shot the guy through his spine, and out through the chest. The guy died instantly.

Now the thing was that this show was saying she was a hero, the town had given her a medal, and she was the main deal. The sheriff was laughing about it on telly. She was saying this bravado s**t 'No-one messes w' me or my business'. WHAT??

Now -- I personally would have locked her up for a very long time. This was murder or at best manslaughter. The guy was trying to run away with his stash, he had no intension to cause her any more grief (that night). She forced him to stay there, then blew him away. Now the poor old desperate man is dead. And she has absolutely no fear of facing any kind of punishment whatsoever.

What's your take on this?

He threatened her life and if the table were turned, I have no doubt that he would have done the same to her. While I wouldn't have done the same under the circumstances, if I were a prosecutor, I wouldn't charge her, if I were a jury, I would find her not guilty. The criminal element should realize that armed robbery = death.

Also, do you have a specific source for this incident. I don't buy the whole panic button story, honestly.

I suppose I could go through the TV listings to try and find the episode of 'Police Camera Action' it was from. That might help. The story was only on for about 4 minutes though but I'll try tonight ...

Where did it occur?

[airo]

Jefferson wrote: britboy wrote: I was watching one of these 'Police Camera Action' programs on telly yesterday .. it had some CCTV footage.

What happened is this guy comes into this convenience store carrying a knife and asks for the cash. She gave him the cash. They he turned and started trying to run out of the store. No way! This woman had used the 'panic' button to lock the store door.

She then calmly picks up a revolver from behind the desk, as this bloke is trying to kick through the door she has locked to desperately get away, and she shot the guy through his spine, and out through the chest. The guy died instantly.

Now the thing was that this show was saying she was a hero, the town had given her a medal, and she was the main deal. The sheriff was laughing about it on telly. She was saying this bravado s**t 'No-one messes w' me or my business'. WHAT??

Now -- I personally would have locked her up for a very long time. This was murder or at best manslaughter. The guy was trying to run away with his stash, he had no intension to cause her any more grief (that night). She forced him to stay there, then blew him away. Now the poor old desperate man is dead. And she has absolutely no fear of facing any kind of punishment whatsoever.

What's your take on this?

If it is exactly what you describe, then yes she guilty of murder. Also if the felon with the knife is within 21 feet of the shooter, then he is still dangerous. At 21 feet the average male can close this distance with a knife and deliver a leathal knife attack before he dies from gun shot wounds. So he was not harmless.

One question?

Why the heck are you feeling sorry for the 'poor old deserate man'?

He got what he deserved. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.

+1

He took it upon himself to deprive her of her freedom, and her property, two things which she has a right to defend.

She stood up to him, and the oppression which he wished to visit upon her.

I think the world is a little better without him in it.

[shrub buster]

britboy (and other decent people)- You are absolutely right, it was manslaughter at the least and probably murder. In fact by the description you give, it sounds like it could have been premeditated murder because the woman seems to have thought out exactly how she would handle a situation such as that. I think in Canada she would not have been celebrated as a hero and probably been charged with manslaughter instead.

I don't know if your intent in posting this story was to bring out the hate of the gun-gun people here but it certainly has served that purpose. They will invariably comment on the happiness they feel at hearing of the gun related death of some person. They will never look at the bigger picture as you have so wisely done and then feel compassion for some poor old guy who was probably destitute and needed some money or had a drug related illness which caused him to resort to crime.

Those people who express their glee about the death of the old man are expressing their own pent up hate. But they are IMO also secretly wishing it could have been them that did the killing. This is primarily the reason why they have their guns and they carry them around and show them off to their friends. When they go to their shooting ranges they wouldn't even stay and enjoy their sport if it wasn't for them having an audience of other shooters all showing off their big guns. I know this is true because I have been part of the way there to some degree. When I was young I had a bb gun and I shot at targets with it. Soon this wasn't enough and there was a need to kill something, such as a little birdie or a rodent. I killed a little bird and then it struck me that this was not leading in the right direction. I think if I hadn't come to my senses at that point, I would perhaps have graduated to bigger animals as the sickness progressed in me. I thank my lucky stars that I had enough smarts to give up the guns then. I think they're all the same and most of them graduate to larger animals which don't have a chance of fighting back against their guns. I think this makes them feel powerful. Some need to graduate to people before they truly feel like full comlete men.

I post here because I think that we must start to do something to change them. Not because I could care less if they all shot each other but because they are corrupting the rest of our societies with their gun-gun ignorance. What can we do to stop them?

I have considered the possibility of some program to introduce them to the martial arts when they are young and impressionable. I know that those of us who have trained at some time in our lives are given an inner confidence which makes it unnecessary for us to have big handguns as an extension of our manhood. Perhaps if these little tykes are not taken to the range and had handguns stuck in their little hands at a young age, they would grow up as normal peaceloving individuals who would feel pity for an old man getting needlessly killed with a gun. An introduction to one of the martial arts could maybe be a useful substitute.

Your ideas?

[perdidochas]

shrub buster wrote: britboy (and other decent people)- You are absolutely right, it was manslaughter at the least and probably murder. In fact by the description you give, it sounds like it could have been premeditated murder because the woman seems to have thought out exactly how she would handle a situation such as that. I think in Canada she would not have been celebrated as a hero and probably been charged with manslaughter instead.

I don't know if your intent in posting this story was to bring out the hate of the gun-gun people here but it certainly has served that purpose. They will invariably comment on the happiness they feel at hearing of the gun related death of some person. They will never look at the bigger picture as you have so wisely done and then feel compassion for some poor old guy who was probably destitute and needed some money or had a drug related illness which caused him to resort to crime.

What utter bull. If anybody threatens somebody's life in the process of committing another crime, they have opened themselves up to death. Also, honestly, I think it's BS. I can't imagine having a panic button that locks people in. I can imagine having one that locks people out.

shrub buster wrote: Those people who express their glee about the death of the old man are expressing their own pent up hate. But they are IMO also secretly wishing it could have been them that did the killing. This is primarily the reason why they have their guns and they carry them around and show them off to their friends. When they go to their shooting ranges they wouldn't even stay and enjoy their sport if it wasn't for them having an audience of other shooters all showing off their big guns. I know this is true because I have been part of the way there to some degree. When I was young I had a bb gun and I shot at targets with it. Soon this wasn't enough and there was a need to kill something, such as a little birdie or a rodent. I killed a little bird and then it struck me that this was not leading in the right direction. I think if I hadn't come to my senses at that point, I would perhaps have graduated to bigger animals as the sickness progressed in me. I thank my lucky stars that I had enough smarts to give up the guns then. I think they're all the same and most of them graduate to larger animals which don't have a chance of fighting back against their guns. I think this makes them feel powerful. Some need to graduate to people before they truly feel like full comlete men.

I post here because I think that we must start to do something to change them. Not because I could care less if they all shot each other but because they are corrupting the rest of our societies with their gun-gun ignorance. What can we do to stop them?

I have considered the possibility of some program to introduce them to the martial arts when they are young and impressionable. I know that those of us who have trained at some time in our lives are given an inner confidence which makes it unnecessary for us to have big handguns as an extension of our manhood. Perhaps if these little tykes are not taken to the range and had handguns stuck in their little hands at a young age, they would grow up as normal peaceloving individuals who would feel pity for an old man getting needlessly killed with a gun. An introduction to one of the martial arts could maybe be a useful substitute.

Your ideas?

What utter bull. Do you actually believe that garbage?

[airo]

Wow, you hit the nail right on the head.

Yup, i have pent up hate. I have an extreme hatred for dregs of our society who think they have the innate right to opress us, take our freedom at their whims, deserve to remove our lives from our hands, and feel that they are deserving of the property we so much enjoy.

You can embrace these people if you will, but you have no right to complain when they stab you in the back, rape your wife, and steal your wallet.

Shurb, you're not a martialist. Don't call yourself one. If you were, you would see guns for what they are: tools used to fight. No different then a knife. But, your type of martial snobbery more then likely never trained with knives either, because those are the tools of the weak as well. (For the record, i've trained in various southeast Asian martial arts since i was 15, and have since moved on to firearms. It's an extension of my training.)

[shrub buster]

airo and perdid- I have no interest in your hatefilled personal insults. And I have no interest in your opinions on your guns. My purpose here is to attempt to re-educate as many of you as I can in order to save our societies from your guns. Thank you for your opinions but please hold back on the personal insults or I will have no choice but to report you both.

Now let's talk about the subject in a sane and decent manner. Would either of you like to talk about what joy or satisfaction owning your handguns gives you? Do you not regard them as an extension of your manhood? I mean in a way that makes you proud to own a handgun and causes you to want to let others know that you own a handgun. How do you feel when you make a good shot at a target? How do you feel when you kill something? Is it the same as when you shoot at a target?

[airo]

shrub buster wrote: airo and perdid- I have no interest in your hatefilled personal insults. And I have no interest in your opinions on your guns. My purpose here is to attempt to re-educate as many of you as I can in order to save our societies from your guns. Thank you for your opinions but please hold back on the personal insults or I will have no choice but to report you both.

Now let's talk about the subject in a sane and decent manner. Would either of you like to talk about what joy or satisfaction owning your handguns gives you? Do you not regard them as an extension of your manhood? I mean in a way that makes you proud to own a handgun and causes you to want to let others know that you own a handgun. How do you feel when you make a good shot at a target? How do you feel when you kill something? Is it the same as when you shoot at a target?

Does owning a toaster oven complete your manhood? No? Because owning a firearm doesn't complete mine ;) Both are tools, nothing more, nothing less.

And please, show me where i insulted you. I told you not to pretend you're a martialist, because you're not.

[perdidochas]

shrub buster wrote: airo and perdid- I have no interest in your hatefilled personal insults. And I have no interest in your opinions on your guns. My purpose here is to attempt to re-educate as many of you as I can in order to save our societies from your guns. Thank you for your opinions but please hold back on the personal insults or I will have no choice but to report you both.

What personal insults? I insulted the comments you made, not you. I still think what you wrote is garbage and bull. Please report me, as I am not insulting you at all.

shrub buster wrote: Now let's talk about the subject in a sane and decent manner. Would either of you like to talk about what joy or satisfaction owning your handguns gives you? Do you not regard them as an extension of your manhood? I mean in a way that makes you proud to own a handgun and causes you to want to let others know that you own a handgun. How do you feel when you make a good shot at a target? How do you feel when you kill something? Is it the same as when you shoot at a target?

Well, honestly, I don't think about it much. I do enjoy the mechanics, etc. of guns. They are intriguing. (I also enjoy the mechanics of my lawnmower and cordless drill, for instance). In terms of pride of ownership, etc., few people in the real world know I have guns. It's not their business. I don't deny it, but I don't advertise it either. Then again, most people at work don't know I have a pool in my backyard either.

Target shooting is fun. Hunting is fun in a different way. Hunting is a reawakening of instincts that are part of what make us alive. Humans are natural predators (heck, even our closest relatives, the chimps, hunt and kill game whenever the opportunity presents itself to them). Hunting allows us to become predators. How does it feel to kill game? Well, it feels natural, like being part of the food chain. It is thrilling, but it should be. Look at a cat chasing a bug. That cat is in heaven.

Now all of that extension of manhood stuff is freudian garbage. It is total bull. (go ahead and report me for that one :roll: )

I own guns for a variety of reasons, but probably the most important one is because I can. I like having the freedom to defend myself, if necessary.

[Wolverine]

britboy wrote: I was watching one of these 'Police Camera Action' programs on telly yesterday .. it had some CCTV footage.

What happened is this guy comes into this convenience store carrying a knife and asks for the cash. She gave him the cash. They he turned and started trying to run out of the store. No way! This woman had used the 'panic' button to lock the store door.

She then calmly picks up a revolver from behind the desk, as this bloke is trying to kick through the door she has locked to desperately get away, and she shot the guy through his spine, and out through the chest. The guy died instantly.

Now the thing was that this show was saying she was a hero, the town had given her a medal, and she was the main deal. The sheriff was laughing about it on telly. She was saying this bravado s**t 'No-one messes w' me or my business'. WHAT??

Now -- I personally would have locked her up for a very long time. This was murder or at best manslaughter. The guy was trying to run away with his stash, he had no intension to cause her any more grief (that night). She forced him to stay there, then blew him away. Now the poor old desperate man is dead. And she has absolutely no fear of facing any kind of punishment whatsoever.

What's your take on this?
He was a crminal and died, deal with it. She's a hero to me.

[Aqualung]

britboy wrote: I was watching one of these 'Police Camera Action' programs on telly yesterday .. it had some CCTV footage.

What happened is this guy comes into this convenience store carrying a knife and asks for the cash. She gave him the cash. They he turned and started trying to run out of the store. No way! This woman had used the 'panic' button to lock the store door.

She then calmly picks up a revolver from behind the desk, as this bloke is trying to kick through the door she has locked to desperately get away, and she shot the guy through his spine, and out through the chest. The guy died instantly.

Now the thing was that this show was saying she was a hero, the town had given her a medal, and she was the main deal. The sheriff was laughing about it on telly. She was saying this bravado s**t 'No-one messes w' me or my business'. WHAT??

Now -- I personally would have locked her up for a very long time. This was murder or at best manslaughter. The guy was trying to run away with his stash, he had no intension to cause her any more grief (that night). She forced him to stay there, then blew him away. Now the poor old desperate man is dead. And she has absolutely no fear of facing any kind of punishment whatsoever.

What's your take on this?
I probably wouldn't have shot, but that's not to say I pity the man.

[TNBiologist]

I am assuming you are a troll but will respond to this crap in case you are serious.

shrub buster wrote: britboy (and other decent people)- You are absolutely right, it was manslaughter at the least and probably murder. In fact by the description you give, it sounds like it could have been premeditated murder because the woman seems to have thought out exactly how she would handle a situation such as that. I think in Canada she would not have been celebrated as a hero and probably been charged with manslaughter instead.

The store worker woudl have been sent home to her family with the public's thanks here in Tennessee. She stopped a person who had shown a willingness to use a weapon and force to get what he wanted. Not only are there laws the my state that the robber violated but also laws the store clerk did not violate. Here you are allowed to use deadly force if defence of your life or property. The robber had a knife (classified as a deadly weapon here) and had threatened the clerk with it, allowing for use a deadly force to end the situation.

Quote: I don't know if your intent in posting this story was to bring out the hate of the gun-gun people here but it certainly has served that purpose. They will invariably comment on the happiness they feel at hearing of the gun related death of some person. They will never look at the bigger picture as you have so wisely done and then feel compassion for some poor old guy who was probably destitute and needed some money or had a drug related illness which caused him to resort to crime.

I feel no compasion for anyone who would threaten the life of another human being (with a weapon no less) and steal instead of getting ajob and earning a living. There is always someone hiring, it my not be the job you want but you can find a job and use government programs to feed yourself/family. BY the way, I not by the crap abotu drugs being an illness. An illness is some physical/mental condition that you have no control over. However you have control over weather or not to do drugs.

Quote: Those people who express their glee about the death of the old man are expressing their own pent up hate. But they are IMO also secretly wishing it could have been them that did the killing. This is primarily the reason why they have their guns and they carry them around and show them off to their friends.

No sane person would wish to kill another person and no one here has said they wish to do such. Explain the "pent up hate" to me, please? The primary reason people have guns (hunting, target shooting, personal protection, etc...) varies from person to person so your lump reason as to why people have guns is a little bigoted.


Quote: When they go to their shooting ranges they wouldn't even stay and enjoy their sport if it wasn't for them having an audience of other shooters all showing off their big guns. I know this is true because I have been part of the way there to some degree.

Wrong again. Many times when I shoot I am the only person around. It is relaxing because I am only focusing on one thing without any distrations.

Quote: When I was young I had a bb gun and I shot at targets with it. Soon this wasn't enough and there was a need to kill something, such as a little birdie or a rodent. I killed a little bird and then it struck me that this was not leading in the right direction. I think if I hadn't come to my senses at that point, I would perhaps have graduated to bigger animals as the sickness progressed in me. I thank my lucky stars that I had enough smarts to give up the guns then. I think they're all the same and most of them graduate to larger animals which don't have a chance of fighting back against their guns. I think this makes them feel powerful. Some need to graduate to people before they truly feel like full comlete men.

Thanks for the bit of humor. Yes some gun owners (such as myself) move up to killing animals, its called hunting and is perfectly legal and teh only way to keep some soecies in check sense humans have killed of all the high-level preditors. As for those that "need to graduate to people before they feel like complete men" they don;t need gun to kill people, a knife works fine. So does a car or a baseball bat. Those people are called criminals and should be delt with as such.

Quote: I post here because I think that we must start to do something to change them. Not because I could care less if they all shot each other but because they are corrupting the rest of our societies with their gun-gun ignorance. What can we do to stop them?

You could repeal the 2nd ammendment of the US Constitution and then you have to repeal ammendments for most state sonstitutions as well in order to clear the way for a legal gun ban. Then you have to deal with the people that (unlike you) still believe in rights and limited government when you go to take away/ban their guns. Good luck with that.

Quote: I have considered the possibility of some program to introduce them to the martial arts when they are young and impressionable. I know that those of us who have trained at some time in our lives are given an inner confidence which makes it unnecessary for us to have big handguns as an extension of our manhood. Perhaps if these little tykes are not taken to the range and had handguns stuck in their little hands at a young age, they would grow up as normal peaceloving individuals who would feel pity for an old man getting needlessly killed with a gun. An introduction to one of the martial arts could maybe be a useful substitute.

Your ideas?

Try actually enforcing teh laws on the books when dealing with criminals and pulling your head out of your *ss and realizing that not all people want to live in this eutopia where no one is armed and no one wants what another person has with having to work to get it.

[Wolverine]

[quote="shrub buster"]airo and perdid- I have no interest in your hatefilled personal insults. And I have no interest in your opinions on your guns. My purpose here is to attempt to re-educate as many of you as I can in order to save our societies from your guns. Thank you for your opinions but please hold back on the personal insults or I will have no choice but to report you both.

Quote: Now let's talk about the subject in a sane and decent manner. Would either of you like to talk about what joy or satisfaction owning your handguns gives you?
Its fun target shooting.

Quote: Do you not regard them as an extension of your manhood?
Handguns? Nope, I am not a bog fan of handguns, I prefer long guns.

Quote: How do you feel when you make a good shot at a target?
Makes me feel like I actuallyl have skill with that particualr handgun, thats a great feeling, given that I can barely hit the broad side of a barn with them.

Quote: How do you feel when you kill something? Is it the same as when you shoot at a target?
Nope.

I understand, you are here to reeducate use into hating American freedoms and inanimate pieces of metal.

[shrub buster]

perdid- I was speaking more of the personal insults flung at me by airo, but you are also demonstrating some bottled up anger toward me. I don't think it is necessary and it really has no effect on me and what I will say here.

Yes, I understand fully that killing is an instinct. But you should understand that it is one of the baser instincts that can be fulfilled in ways which don't do harm to others. We as modern humans have given up many of our baser instincts in the interest of our fellow man. Warring is also an instinct of our species but that doesn't mean that we should continue to practice it with wars against other innocent people. <b>Do you realize that what you are saying here is that killing of one's own species is an instinct that should be practiced?</b> In not so many words but surely this is what you are conveying.

I was pretty sure that you would use the instincts of the cat as an example of the instinct to kill. It's one of the few examples of killing for no purpose other than what you see as the apparent joy of killing. Even though you have incorrectly interpreted the instinctual killing by housecats and purposely use those unnatural instincts of a domesticated animal to illustrate your point. I can assure you, the feral cats in my pasture do not kill for fun, they kill out of need.

But do you kill out of need? No, you don't and very, very few hunters do. You kill for sport and I suspect that the actual event of killing an animal is an anticlimax for you. You have killed and now you want somebody to witness the kill or you want somebody to see your kill. Can you be honest enough to admit that you don't feel a sense of accomplishment for the sake of the meat that it is going to provide you. Can you be honest enough to say that I am right about your need to demonstrate your manhood to others in the fact that you are capable of hunting down an animal and killing it. Let's concentrate on that first and then we will get into it deeper for you.

Or- If all you are feeling is anger toward me then perhaps we shouldn't continue to talk to each other. I think it's a longshot that I can help you on a talk forum because you will be hesitant to reveal your true feelings. I am willing to try though, but more importantly, I think I want to concentrate more on substitutes for your need to have your handguns. For the betterment and the interests of all.

[shrub buster]

Tnbiologist- You said a lot which I have no interest in responding to but you did say something worthwhile which I find interesting.

"No sane person would wish to kill another person and no one here has said they wish to do such. Explain the "pent up hate" to me, please? The primary reason people have guns (hunting, target shooting, personal protection, etc...) varies from person to person so your lump reason as to why people have guns is a little bigoted."

Yes, I agree with you that no sane person would wish to kill another person. Those who wish to kill another person are truly insane to some degree. So my question to you is: If you were in the position of the woman in the store who killed the old man, what would you have done. Would you have let him run out the door and get away or would you have locked the door so he couldn't escape and then point your gun at him and kill him? Tell me because this is critical to the conversation and is dead on topic!

This is what is so attractive about this topic. She didn't need to kill the old man because he was running away. Why did she kill him? I know that in your country she probably had a right to kill him and I know that you may think he deserved to be killed, as others here on this thread have made clear, but why did she do it?

Was she suffering from some kind of mental illness? Was she insane, as you put it, and is that what caused the death of the old man?

I think we are going to make some progress here if you are capable of answering honestly.

[shrub buster]

Sorry for not having the time to answer all of your questions but let's concentrate on biologist's words for now. Perhaps some others here would like to try to answer some of my questions? Gotta go for now. Thank you all for your interest.

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The dude would have realized that only she could get him out after a few more seconds, and then probably gone after her with the knife. He also had her property. In some States, you can still shoot a fleeing person if they have your property or money; others so long as they are still on your property (Castle Doctrine). Locking an armed man in with you makes him more dangerous, because he is more lilely to do something drastic to get out, and he was also stealing, so I support her decision to shoot him. The world is better without him anyways.