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infoterror · Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 26

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In an annual ritual to mourn the more than 220,000 people who ultimately died from the blast, a crowd including survivors, children and dignitaries gathered at the Peace Memorial Park, near ground zero where the bomb was dropped. - (source)

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Image of freedom.

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Woman enjoying democracy.

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Young boy expressing his individuality.

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All eyes on democracy: who will they nuke next?

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A glaring light an unnatural tremor
Suffocating heat, suffocating heat
A hell on earth, hell on earth

Men women and children groaning in agony
From the intolerable pains of their burns
A hell on earth, hell on earth - (source)

DID YOU DO THIS?
LOL DEMOCRACY DID
VOTE TO END VOTING
CRUSH THE CROWD

OR YOU WILL SEE THIS
AGAIN

Eduffy80911 · Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 4541

Can you name a form of government under which terrible things never happened?

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 16633 Location: Bliss

Wow.................................... hello there flame bait....

Gdawg007 · Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 14737 Location: Albuquerque, NM

Yes, the United States did do that. Did the Japanese not kill many in their conquest of the Pacific islands and China? Did Communists in Russia not kill millions of their own people? Do dictators and war lords across Africa not do the same? And what about the terrorists in the ME? Sorry, but your notion that democracy is the problem is quite misguided.

picket · Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 1 Location: pa

Dropping the bomb was a very bad thing. but not the worst thing.
Last I heard we estimated that it would cost half a million allied soldier's lives to invade Japan. The worst thing would have been if your daughter or son had to be the first one on the beach.
Dropping the bomb was the right move.
War is Hell ain't it.

William Amos · Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 6990

Never seen before pictures from Lebanon show new secret weapon brought over from Japan in aftermath of Hiroshima bomb.

Forget the IDF this is the REAL thing !

Holy Hand Grenade · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 1623 Location: Miami, FL, USA

Hiroshima = Can be argued as necessary. The war could have dragged on for years and lost many more lives had the Japanese not surendered.

Nagasaki = Brutal and wanton destruction, totally useless. Akin to kicking a man in the balls once he is already on the ground crying for mercy.

Eduffy80911 · Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 4541

Holy Hand Grenade wrote: Hiroshima = Can be argued as necessary. The war could have dragged on for years and lost many more lives had the Japanese not surendered.

Nagasaki = Brutal and wanton destruction, totally useless. Akin to kicking a man in the balls once he is already on the ground crying for mercy.

The general practice of intentionally killing civillians, which we now define as terrorism, was once widely used by democracies. Now it's considered a war crime by those same democracies. I agree with GDawg. I don't believe democracy is the problem.

Holy Hand Grenade · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 1623 Location: Miami, FL, USA

Eduffy80911 wrote: Holy Hand Grenade wrote: Hiroshima = Can be argued as necessary. The war could have dragged on for years and lost many more lives had the Japanese not surendered.

Nagasaki = Brutal and wanton destruction, totally useless. Akin to kicking a man in the balls once he is already on the ground crying for mercy.

The general practice of intentionally killing civillians, which we now define as terrorism, was once widely used by democracies. Now it's considered a war crime by those same democracies. I agree with GDawg. I don't believe democracy is the problem.

I agree with GDawg as well, I don't see what democracy has to do with it.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 16633 Location: Bliss

Holy Hand Grenade wrote: Hiroshima = Can be argued as necessary. The war could have dragged on for years and lost many more lives had the Japanese not surendered.

Nagasaki = Brutal and wanton destruction, totally useless. Akin to kicking a man in the balls once he is already on the ground crying for mercy.

Well...the U.S. didn't bomb Nagasaki.

Source

http://nagtran.ytmnd.com/

Leonidas · Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 1120 Location: Here

infoterror wrote: Quote:
In an annual ritual to mourn the more than 220,000 people who ultimately died from the blast, a crowd including survivors, children and dignitaries gathered at the Peace Memorial Park, near ground zero where the bomb was dropped. - (source)

graphic image removed by Gdawg007

Image of freedom.

graphic image removed by Gdawg007

Woman enjoying democracy.

graphic image removed by Gdawg007

Young boy expressing his individuality.

graphic image removed by Gdawg007

All eyes on democracy: who will they nuke next?

(Pictures from here.)

graphic image removed by Gdawg007

Quote:
A glaring light an unnatural tremor
Suffocating heat, suffocating heat
A hell on earth, hell on earth

Men women and children groaning in agony
From the intolerable pains of their burns
A hell on earth, hell on earth - (source)

DID YOU DO THIS?
LOL DEMOCRACY DID
VOTE TO END VOTING
CRUSH THE CROWD

OR YOU WILL SEE THIS
AGAIN

Oh. My. God.

We dealt with this dude in my other forum. Small world.

skylance · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 163

:roll: oh,Japanese did in China should let them remember everyday,but they don't.

it seems that Japanese only remember to pray at the Yasukuni Shrine.

to Japan,WW2 is only a uprising accident.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8288 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: Hiroshima = Can be argued as necessary. The war could have dragged on for years and lost many more lives had the Japanese not surendered.

Nagasaki = Brutal and wanton destruction, totally useless. Akin to kicking a man in the balls once he is already on the ground crying for mercy.

Without Hiroshima and Nagasaki the war would have dragged on until Japan itself was invaded the US flag had been forced step by bloody step into Tokyo. Millions would have died in the campaign from start to finish, many maybe even the bulk would have been civilians.

Nagasaki came when the Japenese did not surrender after the bombing of Hiroshima several days were given for that oppertunity of unconditional surrender, Japan did not accede.

Nagasaki ended the last real support amongst the military to continue to support taking the war to the end against the will of the emperor, but even after Nagasaki an attempted coup and militaty operation was still tried.

ATrow · Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 114 Location: Colorado

People are always so quick to point at Hiroshima. They always forget the great firebombing of Tokyo which was responsible fore the death of over 1 million Japanese civilians. Seems to me they might be complaining about the wrong thing.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8288 Location: Petah Tikva

You mean 100,000 correct?

Melcar · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:19 am Post subject:

ATrow wrote: People are always so quick to point at Hiroshima. They always forget the great firebombing of Tokyo which was responsible fore the death of over 1 million Japanese civilians. Seems to me they might be complaining about the wrong thing.

The fire bombing was far worse than the atomic bombs in my opinion. Atrocities happen in war all the time.

Eduffy80911 wrote: The general practice of intentionally killing civillians, which we now define as terrorism, was once widely used by democracies. Now it's considered a war crime by those same democracies. I agree with GDawg. I don't believe democracy is the problem.

It has to stop sometime. Just because a certain nation committed crimes does not mean it would be fair to let other nations do the same.

ATrow · Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 114 Location: Colorado

superskippy wrote: You mean 100,000 correct?

Nope over 1 million.

Slythe · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 1574 Location: US of A

Over a million? That much?

And even after that, the Japanese still did not surrender unconditonally. I blame the emperor for continuing a losing fight at the expense of the Japanese people.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8288 Location: Petah Tikva

Having looked it up I can count 1,000,000 for the bombings all over Japan but for Tokyo itself I find it at 100,000-120,000 can you substantiate the 1,000,000 casualties for Tokyo?

WeThePeople · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject:

Atrocities like this occur all the time, regardless of the type of regime committing them. The Germans bombed London into the ground, we burnt Dresden to the ground, the Japanese killed plenty of civilians at Pearl Harbor, and we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
We were completely justified in bombing Japan, in my view, because they would have done the exact same thing to us. Just like the Nazis. Just like any enemy you face in war.
And in the end, we saved more lives than not. Millions of Americans would have died trying to take Tokyo, and millions more Japanese civilians and soldiers. In some ways, I'm surprised that people object to a single bomb, when it causes only as much death as many brutal war campaigns, and in many ways, kills more humanely.
All that being said, if the Japanese would have just surrendered, instead of fighting on when they clearly could no longer win... it's sad that we had to nuke them into submission, killing many innocent civilians in the process, but we really didn't have a choice.