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[TreizeEnder]

Federation of the World wrote: Opened Eyes wrote: Here is another video that touches on a lot of these subjects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiuGNrcKCv0&mode=related&search=

The masses will continue to do nothing, even if confronted with reality.
They have been preconditioned to focus on the unimportant.
Their ignorance will be the cause of their downfall.
All attempts to help them will be in vain.
There is no hope for the feeble.
The mighty will prevail.
Ordo Ab Chao.
I I I

A simple question I place before you; what are your motivations behind this topic? To discuss or to sermonize? And if not to discuss, sermonize on the behalf of what?

[Federation of the World]

[Azuresidus]

I don't see that there is another way. So long as people have personalities, there will be no world peace. Unless everyone dies.

[TreizeEnder]

Quote: Question: What is the opposite of peace?
Answer: War

Definition of War:
-War (wôr)
a. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.
b. The period of such conflict.
c. The techniques and procedures of war; military science.

Question: Who are Wars fought by?
Answer: Nations, States, or Parties.

Question:
What if there was only 1 Nation?
and
What if there was only 1 State?
and
What if there was only 1 Party?
Answer: There would be no other Nation, State, or Party to have Wars with.

Question: What if the single world nation was divided into separate zones of legislating bodies?
Answer: Then the legislating bodies of each zone could manage there own population.

Question: Who will rule over the legislating bodies of the zones?
Answer: 1 Man.

Question: How do you think world peace could be achieved?

You present answers for your questions which leaves no room for discussion, save for the question of achieving world peace. And in a sense, you answer that as well; it lays passive in the topic, but you elaborate in your other posts.

Quote:
LostSoul3412 wrote:
Do I want world peace? On some subconscious level, yes. However, I don't think that we will ever achieve it in current society.

Fed of World:
That is why the current society will be changed.

BastionOfSanity wrote:
You can't force peace. If you attempt to control, there will always be those attempting to resist that control. Violently.

Fed of World:
Yes, and they will be exterminated.

Towie wrote:
If you would like the part of peace that implies a lack of war, I'm all for it, but I am not for a lack of confrontation. Debate would not exist if peace were absolutely prevalent.

Fed of World:
Peace will be attained by war and debate will cease to be.

Towie wrote:
Also, one party is impossible. You will never get everyone to agree on all points, it is a psychological impossibility.

Fed of World:
The ones that live will be the ones that conform.

good90 wrote:
In order to achieve peace you must under go war. After the war is over there will be peace.

Fed of World:
Yes, after we establish our vision by war, there will be peace.


To bring peace, you wish to bring war.

Are you certain you are not a paladin for, say, the Freemasons? Of course, I would not expect one to be forthcoming on such things. It just seems that there is more a tone of enlightening than discussing behind this, or am I mistaken? Forgive me if I'm wrong; just very curious as the dots don't connect for me, so to speak. This merely seems to be more orchestrated than a "discussion".

[bigstick61]

World peace will never happen. It is a purely idealistic notion.

[LostSoul3412]

Federation of the World wrote: My motives are to discuss ways to establish World Peace,

And I am still waiting for someone to propose another possible way to achieve it.

You're making two assumptions in your questions:

1) That people want world peace.

2) That world peace is possible.

[Federation of the World]

[LostSoul3412]

:roll:

This is getting old.

Keep your fancy pictures, you're threatening words, and your crazed ideals of oppressive "unity". You keep asking questions, but you're in no position to expect an answer. Keep your questions, I'm not playing your game.

[Opened Eyes]

See no Evil, Hear no Evil, Speak no Evil

[Towie]

Federation of the World wrote: Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: Even if you do create a one world government and f**k everybody over, world peace will still be impossible.



Towie wrote: Well, let's say that you achieve this "ideal world." What happen's when your precious government becomes corrupt? People who oppose it die. Sounds a whole lot like communist Russia under Stalin. That worked out fantasticly didn't it? Great model to base your utopia upon.



The history of mankind is tainted with death and destruction. Without conflict, man is not man. In our New World there will be created a new man, a man who lives under the guidelines of the eternal light. To achieve this perfection, many will have to be sacrificed. They will perish because of their inability to accept that which must take place. Those who oppose peace will be liberated from breathing by the strong hand of our resolve. We must save mankind from itself.



Question: How do you think world peace could be achieved?

I'd like to point out that you, despite every nitpicky attempt to be perfect and never say anything new, proved yourself wrong. "Without conflict, man is not man." With conflict there cannot be peace.

This "new man" would not be man by your own point, as well. Therefore, you have proven yourself wrong.

Also, please, please, please, explain your dribble more thoroughly. Explain who this "we" is. Who is in it. And also, stop implying that it "will" happen. Philosophy is not divination.

[Towie]

Opened Eyes wrote: There really are people in power who think like this guy.
In my eyes, The goal of a one world government will lead to the platform that the Beast (Anti-Christ) will use to come to power.
The bible says the Beast will control all nations and peoples and that he will make all people take a mark on their right hand or forehead.
I don’t see how that could happen without a one world government.
Even if it has to happen, I wouldn’t want to be able to say that I helped to establish the kingdom of the Anti-Christ.

Don't bother quoting the bible, since you have a fairly skewed approach. The Revelation of John was a peak into the future. The future shown to him by God. Controling all nations does not mean governing all nations. Look at the US, it has influence over the entire world. Maybe the the UN is the culprit. The mark is also taken by many theologians to be symbolic for a mark on the soul. God showed this to John, so he saw through the eyes of God, as best as a man can.

Also, you imply that you are going to have a hand in establishing this new world, by saying "we" and "will" so often. Thus, if you are in some way credible, you will have a hand in bringing about the anti-christ's reign, if it turns out to be your world which he rises from or with.

To the overall question of this thread: Peace is impossible, but the only practical form of protection agaist conflict is to take away all things with which people can cause conflict, not by killing (which is conflict in itself). Disarm the world, and keep it that way.

[johnflesh]

Federation of the World wrote:
The masses will continue to do nothing, even if confronted with reality.
They have been preconditioned to focus on the unimportant.
Their ignorance will be the cause of their downfall.
All attempts to help them will be in vain.
There is no hope for the feeble.
The mighty will prevail.
Ordo Ab Chao.
I I I


Do you have a website? How does one sign up to be in your movement for 'peace'?

I'd like to see a detailed description of each and every step you wish to take to make this happen if you don't have the website up yet.

Also you do realize that you are talking about human beings here right? And you are one as well. Don't forget that.

In the meantime, make with the website or the description or give it up.

Edit: The one world government will be called the AFE so you got the name wrong.

[Federation of the World]

[Federation of the World]

[Opened Eyes]

See no Evil, Hear no Evil, Speak no Evil

[Towie]

Federation of the World wrote: Towie wrote: Also, please, please, please, explain your dribble more thoroughly.

World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drmfLdCFmGk
Peace
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8841805547137115477&q=new+world+order
Is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VblRmsgemAE
Coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic28IIBE-V8
Accept It


Congratulations... You have made an idiot out of yourself. That explained absolutely nothing. Explain the points. Saying New World Order over and over won't make anyone agree with you. You need to state your thoughts, explain them, and provide proof for your explanation.

Let me map out what you are going to do.

(1) Leave the pictures out of the posts. Give a link to your photo drop site.
(2) Clearly state what you believe this NWO actually will be, other than a NWO.
(3) State how you will achieve this NWO.
(4) Provide historical proof or precedent for why this process will work.
(5) Wait for other logical statements that will either refute or agree with your thoughts.
(6) Repeat on a more specific level to attempt to disprove and nay-sayers.


Edit: in response to another post of yours that has extremely flawed logic. Martial law is the opposite of peace. If you really want peace, and not just a crime free dictatorship, get a new theory.

[Federation of the World]

[LostSoul3412]

Federation of the World wrote: I started this thread to discuss ways to achieve World Peace, not to argue with unbelievers.

"I'm here to discuss... so long as everyone agrees with me." :lol:

[Opened Eyes]

See no Evil, Hear no Evil, Speak no Evil

[Towie]

Towie wrote: Edit: in response to another post of yours that has extremely flawed logic. Martial law is the opposite of peace. If you really want peace, and not just a crime free dictatorship, get a new theory.

I'm no "unbeliever" of world peace, just annoyed at such naive logic.

World Peace, in the total respect, not the empty form you refer to, is only achievable by further evolution of the human psyche. For one, a lack of you would be nice. We need everyone to be mature to the full extent. As long as there is one person that is against it, World Peace will never be accomplished.

If you tack on a "that's why you must kill them" I will track you IP address and come over for a serious 'conversation' about you twisted logic. Killing/hurting anyone at anytime is a direct violation of World Peace. As is, brainwashing "peaceful citizens" by limiting their incoming and outgoing knowledge and thwarting new thought, all of which would be necessary to complete your theory.


I also am seeing a correlation between the posts of Opened Eyes and the bimbo here... It seems much like a sad attempt to play out the actions of Peter and Valentine Wiggin as Locke and Demosthenes in Ender's Game. Have the insulting persona gain publicity first, then have the even tempered persona (who should have been around before them, but barely known) come in to thwart them without ever really disagreeing. Too bad it's a bad idea when writing styles are s easily identified. But, I could also be wrong. They may be two random people with similar styles and views. Except one is a xenocidal nut-case and the other is not. :wink: Check out this thread if you are interested in analyzing the two, http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61532.

If Opened Eyes is not just a tool alias for Federation of the World, I would like to apologize for my statement in advance. I meant no insult.