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michel · Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Posts: 17

Split the damn country up just like they did with bosnia/herzegovinia.
We Christians are sick and tired of Moslems violence and killings.
50/50 with christians and moslems getting half of each, that's the solution to the problems of lebanon.

In 5 yrs they will surely see the advancement of christian lebanon in contrast to feudal 5th century theology moslem lebanon.
Moslem lebanon can then wage war against israel everyday if they wanted too, and let's see what will happen to them.
Culturally and spiritually we are not compatible with the moslems anyway.
Emille lahoud can live in the moslem side of town for all we care.

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

Or better yet try to stop being idol worshippers! God, Allah, YHVH, etc are being worshipped like idols in the world!

previsionary · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 86 Location: CHI-TOWN

Quote: Split the damn country up just like they did with bosnia/herzegovinia.
We Christians are sick and tired of Moslems violence and killings.
50/50 with christians and moslems getting half of each, that's the solution to the problems of lebanon.

In 5 yrs they will surely see the advancement of christian lebanon in contrast to feudal 5th century theology moslem lebanon.
Moslem lebanon can then wage war against israel everyday if they wanted too, and let's see what will happen to them.
Culturally and spiritually we are not compatible with the moslems anyway.
Emille lahoud can live in the moslem side of town for all we care.

The christians in Lebanon were the cause off all these problems. Army commander Emile Bustani signed the agreement in cairo (1969) to let the PLO in. Than the civil war started christians vs the PLO. So whos in fault for this violence you can blame it on the PLO but who let the PLO in??? You know the rest of the civil war story. Now most of the christians sat low or you can say high in their mountains, while Israel occupied most of the southern land in Lebanon. Well to many a country is a whole country no matter the religon, race, etc. Unless you think Israel should have remained in southern Lebanon thats a different point. But I remember watching the news in 2000 and even saying many of the christians happy with the withdrawal of Israel.

Lebanon is built upon a republic and the govermental position divisions. Emile Lahoud has to represent his people of LEBANON. Unless you want some sort of monarchy than you have to accept the fact that Lahoud is representing his entire population.

In what way are you refering to "feudal 5th century theology moslem lebanon" currently ?

The violence aroused in the chritian(phlangists) sects and now it was forced to carry on to muslim sects. The compatiability issue I believe have been fine ever since the end of the civil war.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23268 Location: California

Divide and conquer..

Bad for the natives, great for the globalists.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1744 Location: London

michel wrote: Split the damn country up just like they did with bosnia/herzegovinia.
We Christians are sick and tired of Moslems violence and killings.
50/50 with christians and moslems getting half of each, that's the solution to the problems of lebanon.

In 5 yrs they will surely see the advancement of christian lebanon in contrast to feudal 5th century theology moslem lebanon.
Moslem lebanon can then wage war against israel everyday if they wanted too, and let's see what will happen to them.
Culturally and spiritually we are not compatible with the moslems anyway.
Emille lahoud can live in the moslem side of town for all we care.

Why not go to Jerusalem, and see how welcomed there you are. Oh yeah, try and buy a house or if you see a plot of land you like. Try and buy that and get a building permit to be allowed to construct your lovely dream home?
Why divide? In fact why not move to the UK and see how welcomed you are here? The fact is you wont be welcomed in the UK nor In Israel. You hate Muslims, our far right wingers will hate you, don't worry mate its hate all the way round.

There is no denying that there is a strain of disgusting reactionary Islam being preached and adopted in many parts of that region. But its more of the sign of our times than people wanting to live suppressed like this. What percentage of Muslims do you personally know, who want to live in a "5th century theology moslem Lebanon?" Yes I will agree with you that Hizbollah takes the significant proportion of blame for the mess that is Lebanon. But Israel takes blame also. It was'nt Hizbollah what decimated YOUR WHOLE COUNTRY
Bomb the south yes, but the rest of Lebanon, was yet another case of collective punishment.
Divide and rule politics, is for the brain dead. The same bullsh*t was said about the Catholics and Christians not being compatible. As we say in Britain "You Mug!"

theshield · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 347

Yes Plato , Israel just treat Lebanese who came to live in Israel in a "horrible" way.Here is a story of few of them.Remember the South Lebanese Army.Well read this:

"Although many SLA members and families eventually chose to return from Israel to Lebanon after Hezbollah promised they would not be harmed, others accepted Israel's offer of full citizenship and a financial package similar to that granted to new immigrants, and settled permanently in Israel. On April 6, 2006, the Israeli Knesset Finance Committee approved the payment of NIS 40,000 per family to SLA veterans to be paid over the course of seven years. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_Army

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1458 Location: UK / Hungary

michel wrote: Split the damn country up just like they did with bosnia/herzegovinia.
We Christians are sick and tired of Moslems violence and killings.
50/50 with christians and moslems getting half of each, that's the solution to the problems of lebanon.

In 5 yrs they will surely see the advancement of christian lebanon in contrast to feudal 5th century theology moslem lebanon.
Moslem lebanon can then wage war against israel everyday if they wanted too, and let's see what will happen to them.
Culturally and spiritually we are not compatible with the moslems anyway.
Emille lahoud can live in the moslem side of town for all we care.

Don't mean to be picky but no country was split up in Bosnia. Yugoslavia was like a Great Britian or Soviet Union. i.e a "country" made of of several smaller countries. All that happened is that these smaller countries gained their independance though not without much bloodshed.

Returning to the focus of the topic and I don't believe that splitting Lebanon 50-50 would work as too many people would find themselves in 'the other area' and may not like this etc etc.

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

theshield wrote: Yes Plato , Israel just treat Lebanese who came to live in Israel in a "horrible" way.Here is a story of few of them.Remember the South Lebanese Army.Well read this:

"Although many SLA members and families eventually chose to return from Israel to Lebanon after Hezbollah promised they would not be harmed, others accepted Israel's offer of full citizenship and a financial package similar to that granted to new immigrants, and settled permanently in Israel. On April 6, 2006, the Israeli Knesset Finance Committee approved the payment of NIS 40,000 per family to SLA veterans to be paid over the course of seven years. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_Army

Oh, paaaahleaze. After the way Barak ran from Lebanon and how he treated the SLA, no sane people would ever ally themselves with Israel.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7750 Location: Petah Tikva

Oh yeah split the country. Oh and pray tell who gets Beirut?

liar · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 123

israel wants partition of lebanon because they want the palestinian refugees to become citizens of a new south lebanon, and not have to deal with the issue of their right of return.

that's probably why they're punishing the christians. make them go for the idea.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7750 Location: Petah Tikva

Israel has not once said we want to partition Lebanon... Never has it even been discussed. I dont know where this is coming from, but it is absurd.

theshield · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 347

Duchifas wrote: theshield wrote: Yes Plato , Israel just treat Lebanese who came to live in Israel in a "horrible" way.Here is a story of few of them.Remember the South Lebanese Army.Well read this:

"Although many SLA members and families eventually chose to return from Israel to Lebanon after Hezbollah promised they would not be harmed, others accepted Israel's offer of full citizenship and a financial package similar to that granted to new immigrants, and settled permanently in Israel. On April 6, 2006, the Israeli Knesset Finance Committee approved the payment of NIS 40,000 per family to SLA veterans to be paid over the course of seven years. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_Army

Oh, paaaahleaze. After the way Barak ran from Lebanon and how he treated the SLA, no sane people would ever ally themselves with Israel.

Israel will probably find it hard to find allies within Lebanon again.Because as they have learned it was never Israel intention to stay there for good.But this has nothing to do with the fact that the former members of the SLA were treated fairly well by Israel, to such an extent that some of them preferred to say in Israel and not to go back to Lebanon.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

michel wrote: Split the damn country up just like they did with bosnia/herzegovinia.
We Christians are sick and tired of Moslems violence and killings.
50/50 with christians and moslems getting half of each, that's the solution to the problems of lebanon.

In 5 yrs they will surely see the advancement of christian lebanon in contrast to feudal 5th century theology moslem lebanon.
Moslem lebanon can then wage war against israel everyday if they wanted too, and let's see what will happen to them.
Culturally and spiritually we are not compatible with the moslems anyway.
Emille lahoud can live in the moslem side of town for all we care.

It's very interesting to see a true perspective of how many Lebanese feel rather than anti-semitic propaganda. Many people in the West to not yet realize the truth about radical Islamists and their violent methods against non-Muslims. They think it is all made up.

Perhaps a Christian region in the South and a Muslim region in the North is a viable solution. But then, think about this, Hezbollah would be targeting Southern Lebanon right along with Israel, so the problem isn't really solved, is it?

Zoot · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1897

Wasn't it Christians who committed the Sabra/Shatila massacres in Southern Lebanon a few years back?

Who's sick and tired?

Anyway, f**k dividing states up along religious lines.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Zoot wrote: Wasn't it Christians who committed the Sabra/Shatila massacres in Southern Lebanon a few years back?

Who's sick and tired?

Anyway, f**k dividing states up along religious lines.

Why don't you post a source if that is to be the insinuation? What events lead up to this? Why did it happen?

You can't just insinuate something is a "massacre" and not back it up. Some more facts that emerge surrounding this is that Israel did not do this, the phlangists did. Why?
Quote:
The killings were perpetrated to avenge the murders of Lebanese President Bashir Gemayel and 25 of his followers, killed in a bomb attack earlier that week.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Sabra_&_Shatila.html
They were fighting back against the PLO.

There were over two hundred armed men operating as terrorist cells in bunkers that were generously supplied with ammo, built by the PLO, in those camps. They were armed and supplied terrorist bases, in essence.

Even so, many Israelis demonstrated against the episode.

Why not tell the whole story?

Zoot · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1897

cap'n queasy wrote: Zoot wrote: Wasn't it Christians who committed the Sabra/Shatila massacres in Southern Lebanon a few years back?

Who's sick and tired?

Anyway, f**k dividing states up along religious lines.

Why don't you post a source if that is to be the insinuation? What events lead up to this? Why did it happen?

You can't just insinuate something is a "massacre" and not back it up. Some more facts that emerge surrounding this is that Israel did not do this, the phlangists did. Why?
Quote:
The killings were perpetrated to avenge the murders of Lebanese President Bashir Gemayel and 25 of his followers, killed in a bomb attack earlier that week.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Sabra_&_Shatila.html
They were fighting back against the PLO.

There were over two hundred armed men operating as terrorist cells in bunkers that were generously supplied with ammo, built by the PLO, in those camps. They were armed and supplied terrorist bases, in essence.

Even so, many Israelis demonstrated against the episode.

Why not tell the whole story?

30 men went in, killed 2000 people, and didn't suffer a single casualty. Don't sound real armed to me. An Israeli commission found Sharon responsible for the massacre (which is the crazy, arbitrary word I apply to when 2000 people get killed by soldiers and don't suffer a single casualty) and recommended he not be allowed to hold positions in the government.

I didn't go into all of that because I was responding to the implication that Lebanese Muslims are the only ones committing crimes against Lebanese Christians.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Zoot wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Zoot wrote: Wasn't it Christians who committed the Sabra/Shatila massacres in Southern Lebanon a few years back?

Who's sick and tired?

Anyway, f**k dividing states up along religious lines.

Why don't you post a source if that is to be the insinuation? What events lead up to this? Why did it happen?

You can't just insinuate something is a "massacre" and not back it up. Some more facts that emerge surrounding this is that Israel did not do this, the phlangists did. Why?
Quote:
The killings were perpetrated to avenge the murders of Lebanese President Bashir Gemayel and 25 of his followers, killed in a bomb attack earlier that week.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Sabra_&_Shatila.html
They were fighting back against the PLO.

There were over two hundred armed men operating as terrorist cells in bunkers that were generously supplied with ammo, built by the PLO, in those camps. They were armed and supplied terrorist bases, in essence.

Even so, many Israelis demonstrated against the episode.

Why not tell the whole story?

30 men went in, killed 2000 people, and didn't suffer a single casualty. Don't sound real armed to me. An Israeli commission found Sharon responsible for the massacre (which is the crazy, arbitrary word I apply to when 2000 people get killed by soldiers and don't suffer a single casualty) and recommended he not be allowed to hold positions in the government.

I didn't go into all of that because I was responding to the implication that Lebanese Muslims are the only ones committing crimes against Lebanese Christians.

Let's stick to the facts.
30 men did not go in and kill 2000 people. The Kahane Commission , which is the commision you are citing did not arrive at the findings you present.

A better overview is at the link I provided for your convenience. You did not "go into all that" and do not wish to provide a link backing your version of the story simply because the only ones who do are indictsharon.net and electronicintifada.net and are are easily proven to contain false information.

jon · Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 39

psholtz wrote: Divide and conquer..

Bad for the natives, great for the globalists.
Perfectly said, it is exactly what Israel has in mind.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

I didn't notice any Israeli officials or Israel supporters say they liked the idea at all.

How do you come to that conclusion?