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thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

whynot wrote: Quote: This is the precise attitude that is the problem in the area. No wonder Palestinians don't have peace.

They do not want peace.

And if it means setting up some of their own people to die to make their enemy look bad and them look like victims, they do not care about that either.

this is the precise propaganda that israel and america use to cover massacre of children and wommen

israel want to give Palestinians 10 percent of their real lands , and they ask palestinians to accept without any discussion .
and if they say no , we want all our rightals the UN resolution say, the fashiste sioniste and the criminal crusades say ok we will make you regret do not accept.

Israel pulled out of 100% of Gaza Strip. What did the Palestinians do instead of building schools, roads, hospitals, a vibrant economy??? It launched rockets into Israeli soil, kidnapped Israeli soldiers -- that's how they responded to Israel's good-will. Well do you think that this good-will will continue?

whynot · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 59

beside the efect that israel is only a project for the imperialisme , arabs has accept that israel live in peace as neighbour . but israel want the peace and the lands of palestinians and the lands of other arabic countries , and has the project to wait the circumstance in the futur to steal more lands
note : all the nations in the world has known limt of theirs territories , but israel has no limits and dont want to limit their territories exactly. that inform about their real intentions

ukgirl · Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 58 Location: USA

whynot wrote: beside the efect that israel is only a project for the imperialisme , arabs has accept that israel live in peace as neighbour . but israel want the peace and the lands of palestinians and the lands of other arabic countries , and has the project to wait the circumstance in the futur to steal more lands
note : all the nations in the world has known limt of theirs territories , but israel has no limits and dont want to limit their territories exactly. that inform about their real intentions

I have read things like this before and am curious as to why you believe Israel wants lands the Palestinians say is theirs and other Arab countries.

Israel has given land to Palestininans and as someone has already pointed out, are still being bombarded by lunatic suicide attacks. These attacks (as the Palestinians claim) are justified and are in response to their gripe that they want the Gaza Strip.

Well pardon me if I am missing something here, but didn't Israel just give them Gaza last year? Maybe you missed it, but I saw it on the BBC, CNN, MSN and all the other major news channels.

This leads me to my next question. Why is Israel still being attacked by suicide bombers, why are soldiers being kidnapped and why is terror still being committed by people who have been given what they asked for?

Next question for you.

Where is the evidence for your accusation that Israel want lands of other Arab Nations?

Would it be fair for me to say this is your opinion rather than fact?

whynot · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 59

Quote: Well pardon me if I am missing something here, but didn't Israel just give them Gaza last year?

what is this garbage
gaza is 0.0005 percent of palestine

why not be honnest and give to palestinians all their lands and basta.

if this happen and israel get attaqued by a person from palestine ,arabs will kill this person in the place of israel.
but make zig zag , im here no im not here .
openly want peace give other their right als the UN resolution , otherwise you search other think but not peace.
they say we will give you gaza in 2006 and other citie in 2155 and the other in 28555 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

whynot wrote: beside the efect that israel is only a project for the imperialisme , arabs has accept that israel live in peace as neighbour . but israel want the peace and the lands of palestinians and the lands of other arabic countries , and has the project to wait the circumstance in the futur to steal more lands
note : all the nations in the world has known limt of theirs territories , but israel has no limits and dont want to limit their territories exactly. that inform about their real intentions

Israel has created buffer zones only because the surrounding Arab nations have been hostile with the aim to destroy Israel. When the Arabs are no longer hostile, no longer have the desire to destroy Israel, only then there can be peace and Israel will no longer need those buffer zones.

Examples:

1) when Egypt accepted to recognize Israel and made peace, Israel returned Sinai to Egypt. Why? Because Israel did not need a buffer zone between Israel and Egypt.

2) Why is Israel keeping the Golan Heights? Ask the Syrians why they have not recognize Israel as of today in 2006, ask Syria why it is STILL at war with Israel?

3) When Gaza was returned to the PA last year, what did the PA do? It launched attacks on Israel, so don't count that Israel will return more lands to the PA -- not until the PA stop all attacks and show they are serious about peace.

4) Why did Israel invade Lebanon in 1982? Because of terrorist attacks from the PLO. When the PLO recognized Isreal, there were peace negotiations under the Oslo accords (1993). What happened next? the Intifada, more violence, and then you blame Israel????

5) Now, in 2006, Hezbollah declared war on Israel. So Israel will now create a buffer zone in Lebanon to stop those attacks from Hezbollah.

Peace will come in the ME only when the Arabs have learned to accept Israel.

whynot · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 59

Quote: 4) Why did Israel invade Lebanon in 1982? Because of terrorist attacks from the PLO. When the PLO recognized Isreal, there were peace negotiations under the Oslo accords (1993). What happened next? the Intifada, more violence, and then you blame Israel????

5) Now, in 2006, Hezbollah declared war on Israel. So Israel will now create a buffer zone in Lebanon to stop those attacks from Hezbollah.

you can always dream that hisbolah will let israel in this bouffaer zone or what : every day that israel past on lebannon will be paid and not cheap you can trust me

- from 1967 to 1973 never israel has past a day without get their killed soldiers in sinai in egypte so after the war of 1973 israel has been obliged to evacuate

- only this people of palestine that israel try to make them shup up on their own right and after 50 years they arrive to nothing with the glourious people of palestine

the army of israel with the arms and the latest technologies from america and europe can occupe a place here or there , but the questions is ; they can stay in this place , the reponse is nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

theshield · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 350

ukgirl wrote: Well pardon me if I am missing something here

Here is what you are missing.Arabs don't want Gaza or the WB , they want Haifa and Tel Aviv.
Unfortunately for you they wont be satisfied with that.Have a closer look at the growing Muslim communities in London and Paris and ask yourself whether the day will come when they would like to have London and Paris as well?

whynot · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 59

who speak about haifa and london

if you dont knew there is a council of united states -you can search what is that council - that judged this affaire and decided to partage palestine betwen jews and palestinians but israel dont want to applicate this resolution until now.

about london and uk ; i can ask here who occupe the othere in irak palestine, lebannon, afghanistan , that is not musilman who are with their army in uk or france

that is clair i guess

theshield · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 350

Com' on i thought we are honest here.How can infidels be allowed to have sovereignty? after all they are only infidels, aren't they?

whynot · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 59

theshield wrote: Com' on i thought we are honest here.How can infidels be allowed to have sovereignty? after all they are only infidels, aren't they?

you haver no more argument now you try to make me fall on the piege that you want

really i knew your method in mousad- the killer sercrete service in israel-

you try by all the methode to create a good propaganda to cover all your humainty crimes

theshield · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 350

yes i am in charge of the Israeli propaganda, you got me.
So can you clarify exactly in details what parts of Israel will be sufficient for Arabs to make real peace with it?
Notice ,real peace,not peace now and take the rest later.

whynot · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 59

Quote: So can you clarify exactly in details what parts of Israel will be sufficient for Arabs to make real peace with it?
Notice ,real peace,not peace now and take the rest later.

my reponse is who killed rabin that was on the way of peace

if you repond at this question you will knew who want any peace

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1647 Location: UK / Hungary

whynot wrote: you speak about hyngary romany or something like that . i guess you mean this places who 90 percent of children porn americain films are makt , if yes i will say congratulation of this free countries

No mate I mean Hungary a country that doesn't feel the need to murder it's neigbours civilians with suicide bombs.

You really are talking a load of :wtf:

whynot · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 59

MoscowMatt wrote: whynot wrote: you speak about hyngary romany or something like that . i guess you mean this places who 90 percent of children porn americain films are makt , if yes i will say congratulation of this free countries

No mate I mean Hungary a country that doesn't feel the need to murder it's neigbours civilians with suicide bombs.

You really are talking a load of :wtf:

appearently you are a fan of chirchil

chirchil has said : whan a weise man speak the children should go play with their barby

so applique what your heros say

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1647 Location: UK / Hungary

whynot wrote: MoscowMatt wrote: whynot wrote: you speak about hyngary romany or something like that . i guess you mean this places who 90 percent of children porn americain films are makt , if yes i will say congratulation of this free countries

No mate I mean Hungary a country that doesn't feel the need to murder it's neigbours civilians with suicide bombs.

You really are talking a load of :wtf:

appearently you are a fan of chirchil

chirchil has said : whan a weise man speak the children should go play with their barby

so applique what your heros say

Well the chance sof you saying anything wise............!!!!!!!! :lol:

Hey coming back to the original topic about numbers care to give me the figures of murdering Palestnian suicide bombers who blow up inncoent civilains delibratley and Israeli suicide bombers?

Just face it Israel is here to stay so you guys can cry all you want to the world because those of us that are civilised ain't listening!!!

X-Shocker · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 167 Location: All around you

whynot wrote:

705 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

Does that number include the Palestinian children suicide bombers?

What is "children"?

whynot · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 59

we dont crie to any world and we dont count of any public opinion

we knew that is still only a minority of honnest people that can not make anythink

we count on our guys to make the nescessary to protect our children

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

whynot wrote: Quote: So can you clarify exactly in details what parts of Israel will be sufficient for Arabs to make real peace with it?
Notice ,real peace,not peace now and take the rest later.

my reponse is who killed rabin that was on the way of peace

if you repond at this question you will knew who want any peace

From all the posts you have made, it is apparent that the one thing you understand is not rational arguments but only military power, and guess what, that is exactly what you and your fellow compatriots are getting, the brute end of the stick.

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

whynot wrote: Quote: 43,000 civilians are estimated to have died during the campaign, with over 139,000 injured and around a million houses destroyed.

i have said that anti arabs and anti muslims , and i knew that they a lot of in this forum , will search here and there arguments to justificate

how a non crazy man can compare between palestine people and hitler and nazis regime

how we can compare a people that search to live free in their own countries with a regime that attaqued the whole world.
i can only said absurde

Oh, so I guess numbers don't tell the whole story then, huh?

Fascinating.

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1647 Location: UK / Hungary

whynot wrote: we dont crie to any world and we dont count of any public opinion

we knew that is still only a minority of honnest people that can not make anythink

we count on our guys to make the nescessary to protect our children

What by murdering innocent civilian's in suicide attacks. Yeah whatever. :roll: Personally I hope that Israel crush Hamas, Hezbollah and all the other terrorist organisations into the earth. Forget prisoners, Kill them all!