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[MoscowMatt]

from BBC news on-line

Blasts hit Baghdad football game

At least 12 people, many of them children, have been killed in bomb attacks while they were playing football in west Baghdad, police say.
Two blasts hit a makeshift pitch on waste ground in a mainly Shia district. Fourteen other people were hurt.

Police say the bombs had been buried in the middle of the football pitch.

The attack came hours after Iraq's president said Iraqi forces would take over the security of the entire country from US-led forces by the end of 2006.

President Jalal Talabani told a news conference the transfer would happen gradually but would be completed before the new year.

Iraq has been hit by repeated bomb attacks despite attempts by the government to improve security.

More than 50 people died on Tuesday across the country.

They included 23 soldiers whose bus was hit by a roadside bomb north of Baghdad, and 14 people killed in a suicide car bombing in centre of the capital.

Attacks on police patrols in the north and north-east also killed 12, and a British soldier was killed in Basra.

Police say those killed and injured in Wednesday's attack on the football game were aged between nine and 20


This just sickens me. Of course had this been a mis-placed Israeli bomb the world would be screaming with outrage!

[superskippy]

Of course it's the Americans fault instead of trying to find a solution for these terrorists.

[Rankor and Pissing]

superskippy wrote: Of course it's the Americans fault instead of trying to find a solution for these terrorists.

Of course, if we only took the time to understand their plight... we'd surely understand and see how much wisdom and strategy it takes to bury bombs in a football field.


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[X-Shocker]

superskippy wrote: Of course it's the Americans fault instead of trying to find a solution for these terrorists.

Yeah, we need to spank them harder.

[superskippy]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: superskippy wrote: Of course it's the Americans fault instead of trying to find a solution for these terrorists.

Of course, if we only took the time to understand their plight... we'd surely understand and see how much wisdom and strategy it takes to bury bombs in a football field.


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Of course :lol: :lol: It'd be funnier if it wasnt more depressing.

[Plato & Socrates]

I'm sorry MoscowMatt, but so many people, were warned about what the outcome of Iraq would be if we attacked. This half-baked War on Terror, bogus WMD search, all because we were allegedly 45 minutes from attack. :roll:
Bush, Blair, the neo-cons, the Republocrats & the warmongering pro-Israeli supporters, had all the ready made ideas and answers for Iraq. Yeah right! :roll: Look at it! Its a total f**king mess. Supported at the top by those in power, a bunch of chicken hawks. Too many of which were draft dodgers extraordinaire.
The architects of this war was amply followed by there supporters and the armchair Generals. The wanna be neo-cons, Republocrats and last but not least, the pro-Israeli supporters.

Where are these voices now? You can hear the crunching of cogs, while they hurriedly engage reverse gear, to backtrack on previously held doctrine. It was obvious to anyone who wanted to look at Iraq objectively, that Iraq was going tits up.
These ideologs still pursued the doctrine, defending Bush & co to the hilt. Who remembers Bush's, Top Gun Maverick moment? What a complete and utter w**ker. But nevertheless, the Bush co defenders were there on mass, singing his eulogies.
Saying some of us anti-war mob were disappointed & sad at our total inability to stop this 21st century version of the flight of Icarus, was a understatement. But all we could do was wait, giving the pro -war mob insights and predictions of what was going to happen. AND BOY, WAS WE RIGHT!

It was as obvious as night follows day, that Iraq was going to be a Mecca and magnet, for all the disgruntled
Rent-a-Jihadist's, psycho American Western hater et al. the region had to offer.
Bordered By your friendly neighbourhood Spiderman oops, Iran & Syria, who we marginalized and embarrassed diplomatically. You guys had such little foresight to think that these guys wouldn’t shove it back to us so hard, (metaphorically speaking), our arses are now bleeding in Iraq.
Honestly what outcome did you expect? Over the months of May and June, almost 100 people died a bloody day in Iraq in sectarian clashes. www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/20/iraq.democrats/index.html

I was telling people back in February with Saracen/Moath, that Iraq was descending into civil war.
But oh no, the Bush co defenders especially on the Politics and Government forum, they blurted out the mantra,
"stop Bush & Republican bashing" Constantly on this forum, that was the mantra, and do you know what? I did.

The fact is MoscowMatt, after shock and awe, nobody really cares about Iraq. When Iraqi's get butchered and killed; we're either having a curry after a drink, some other recreation or just going about our everyday lives.
Our lives are so far removed from those in Iraq, Lebanon, the occupied territories and Israel to a lesser extent, for most people, they just don’t think about it or care. Iraq I’m afraid to say is just old news. People just move on to the next new story.

You guys were told this was going to happen. Now reap what you sow!

[mr_happy]

unfortunately I gotta side with P&S...

I was one of the few people in my class that argued against going to war in Iraq. We simply did more damage than good. This is the militants fault, and of course if an Israeli warplane had accidentally hit the football field there would be a political circus, but of course no one cares what arabs do.

Simply put, the reasons for going into Iraq were bad, the political aftermath was managed badly, and the US has only just begun to utilize true counter-insurgency strategies. We had good intentions but we really f****d up the place.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

P & S pretty much summed it up. The whole situation is a mess now and the "democratization" of the region has backfired. The biggest problem right now is the contradictory nature of the whole democratization program of the Americans: Americans push for the democratization of the region, but when Hamas and Hezbollah are elected to run governments, they attempt to undermine them. Now, I am not saying that Hamas and Hezbollah should be in the government, but really it is just absurd for the "freedom loving" American government [they love freedom only when it benefits them!] to advocate something and the next day try to undermine the very thing they advocated!!!

[mendosan]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: P & S pretty much summed it up. The whole situation is a mess now and the "democratization" of the region has backfired. The biggest problem right now is the contradictory nature of the whole democratization program of the Americans: Americans push for the democratization of the region, but when Hamas and Hezbollah are elected to run governments, they attempt to undermine them. Now, I am not saying that Hamas and Hezbollah should be in the government, but really it is just absurd for the "freedom loving" American government [they love freedom only when it benefits them!] to advocate something and the next day try to undermine the very thing they advocated!!!

I have a big problem with this, there seems to be an assumption that just because Hamas was democratically elected, we should have to deal with them, lets get this in perspective you think that the US and the EU should pay for the wages of Palestinian workers while they elect Islamists who call for the Destruction of a sovereign state?

I really do believe that you people would if this was 1938 be saying "yeah lets deal with the Nazis im sure they will be open to some form of dialoge" your being duped just like we were duped by Hitler and Arafat we all want peace in the Middle East but it wont come from Hamas, true freedom requires secular institions religious based movements scare the hell out of me just like Facists do.

[TNBiologist]

mendosan wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: P & S pretty much summed it up. The whole situation is a mess now and the "democratization" of the region has backfired. The biggest problem right now is the contradictory nature of the whole democratization program of the Americans: Americans push for the democratization of the region, but when Hamas and Hezbollah are elected to run governments, they attempt to undermine them. Now, I am not saying that Hamas and Hezbollah should be in the government, but really it is just absurd for the "freedom loving" American government [they love freedom only when it benefits them!] to advocate something and the next day try to undermine the very thing they advocated!!!

I have a big problem with this, there seems to be an assumption that just because Hamas was democratically elected, we should have to deal with them, lets get this in perspective you think that the US and the EU should pay for the wages of Palestinian workers while they elect Islamists who call for the Destruction of a sovereign state?

I really do believe that you people would if this was 1938 be saying "yeah lets deal with the Nazis im sure they will be open to some form of dialoge" your being duped just like we were duped by Hitler and Arafat we all want peace in the Middle East but it wont come from Hamas, true freedom requires secular institions religious based movements scare the hell out of me just like Facists do.

Mendosan has a point. Look at the people that have been put into power by the people that have been insane killers: Hitler, Stalin, Nepolean, etc..

Just because teh people put them in power does not mean that we (western world) have to deal with the.