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[metalan1]

Ladies and Gents, read this through and through and look at the real history of Israel and their current agenda. It is long as hell, but I have provided pictures with it.



We keep being told that the conflict was started by Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Gaza Strip when a total of three Israeli soldiers were kidnapped. bulls**t. What is happening is the latest outbreak of hostilities that began when the Rothschild dynasty targeted what was then Arab Palestine to be what it called a 'Homeland for the Jews'.





The Rothschild cabal could not care less about Jews. To them they are a means to an end of global control. The first leader of Israel, David Ben-Gurion, summed up this mind set when he said:

'If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.' (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion)



David Ben-Gurion - sick man

The 'Jewish homeland' was from the start a Rothschild fiefdom orchestrated through a global secret society network of interbreeding families known as the Illuminati. The goal of these families is domination of the planet through a world government dictatorship, a world army and a micro-chipped population, as I have been detailing in my books all these years.

This week the Israeli writer, Barry Chamish, told of a meeting with Evelyn Rothschild's grandson, who abandoned the family to be a Mormon. Chamish said he learned that just seven families are enjoying the 'fruits of the war'. The grandson had said of the Rothschilds: 'They created Israel as their personal toy. It makes them richer and gives them more control. It's not going to be destroyed.'

The Rothschilds funded the early European settlers in Israel, manipulated events in Germany that led to the horrific treatment of Jewish people and others, and then used that as the excuse to reach their long-term goal - a Rothschild-Illuminati stronghold in Palestine using the Jewish population as fodder to be used and abused as necessary. They called their plan 'Zionism'. This term is often used as a synonym for Jewish people when it is actually a political movement devised and promoted through the House of Rothschild and opposed by many Jews.

The most visible Zionist front in the United States today are the so-called 'neo-conservatives' or 'neo-cons', that I highlighted last week in the first part of this expose.

The Rothschilds exploited as their 'justification' to seize Palestine the claim in the Old Testament that the Jews were God's Chosen People and that 'He' had gifted them the land of what was once called Israel. That's it, no more debate required. 'God' has spoken, it's in the Old Testament, and so we're moving in.

As Golda Meir, another Israeli Prime Minister, said in Le Monde in 1971: 'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.'

The invasion and subversion of an entire nation was based on texts in the Bible written by who knows who thousands of years ago after the Jewish captivity in the ancient Illuminati centre of Babylon in what is now Iraq. Pinch me, it can't be true. 'Ouch', yes it is.

In fact, this nonsense is an historical fraud because the vast majority of Jewish people, those who call themselves 'Ashkenazi' Jews, have no connection to the land of Palestine/Israel at all, as courageous Jewish writers like Arthur Koestler have detailed. See his book The Thirteenth Tribe. The Ashkenazi come from a country once known as Khazaria in southern Russia and the Caucasus, not the land they have used the Biblical texts to lay claim to.





Those later called Ashkenazi Jews moved north over the centuries into Russia and then Western Europe and these were the people targeted by Hitler and the Nazis and exploited by the Rothschilds to populate Palestine. Koestler wrote that the official story of Jewish origins 'begins to look like the most cruel hoax history has ever perpetrated'.


Jewish writer Arthur Koestler detailed the Khazar origins of most Jewish people in his book, The Thirteeenth Tribe. Here is a brief summary of what he revealed ...The Story of the non-Semitic Jews - http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/khazars1.htm

Jews fall into two main groups, the Ashkenazi and the Sephardic, who were once located in Spain and Portugal. Daniel Elazar at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs wrote that at the end of the 11th Century, 97% of Jews were Sephardic, but the ratio changed dramatically over the centuries and by 1931 Ashkenazi Jews accounted for nearly 92 per cent of world Jewry.

Today the Ashkenazim utterly dominate Israel society both in numbers and control. Jewish organizations like the Anti Defamation League (ADL) constantly target others for 'racism' when Israel is a strictly and fiercely hierarchical society based on race, even among the Jews. The Ashkenazi are at the top, of course, followed by the Sephardic, and, irony of irony, then come the Mizrahi Jews, who descend from the Jewish communities of the Middle East. At the bottom of the pile are the black Ethiopian Jews who have long complained of blatant racism. Underneath all of them come the Palestinian Arabs.

(See Racism Inside Israel - http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BEN108A.html; Racism By Any Other Name - http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2006/666/666p21.htm; and The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel - http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm)




Ethiopian Jews in Israel are bottom of the social pile - except for the Palestinians, naturally.

This Internet article described one expression of this racist Israeli structure - income distribution:

'Israeli society is further fragmented by ethnic class and religious inequality. In general terms, Arab citizens are the lowest paid, and have seen a decline in their position over the period 1990 to 2001. Mizrahi Jews (Jews of African or Asian descent) have seen a small improvement, whilst Ashkenazi Jews (Jews of European or North American descent) are the highest paid, and have seen a 10 percent rise in their pay. In 2001, Ashkenazi Jews received on average one and a half times the income of Mizrahi Jews and twice that of Arabs.'

It is time that Zionist racism and apartheid was exposed to balance the endless claims of racism and 'anti-Semitism' that come the other way through Illuminati fronts like the ADL and many others that have been set up to brand as racist anyone who challenges the Zionist agenda.

In truth, Ashkenazi Jews are not even a Semitic people - it is the Arabs and minority Jewish people who are the Semites. Not that it should matter what they are, the human body is just a potential vehicle for the Infinite Consciousness that we all are. But such labels are used by these people to suppress debate so we need to balance the propaganda.


The lands of the Semitic peoples. Why aren't we told that being 'anti-Semitic' overwhelmingly means 'anti-Arab'??

So imagine if all this happened in your country. There you are peacefully getting on with your life and getting along well enough with the small numbers of Jewish people who live in your communities - just as the Palestinian people were. Then, American and European governments decree that your land, where your ancestors have lived for thousands of years, belongs to someone else and millions of Jewish people from all over the world descend upon your country.

Even worse, they don't want to just live among you - they want to take complete control of everything and turn you into serfs and slaves. How would you react? How would anyone react in the face of this?


David Ben-Gurion reads the declaration of independence on May 14th 1948 which claimed Palestine as a Jewish state

The Palestinians were supposed to just lie down and accept this staggering injustice and if they didn't they were 'terrorists'. What the world seems to have forgotten, and they will certainly not be reminded by the mainstream media or even most of the 'alternative' media, is that it was through terrorism that Israel was imposed upon the incumbent Arab population.

This is the story.

The idea that a Jewish homeland in Israel was the result of what happened in Nazi Germany is ridiculous. That was the justification used at the time by the Rothschilds amid the wave of - understandable - public sympathy. But the planning and manipulation began long before in the 19th and early 20th centuries through the Rothschilds and their gofers like Chaim Weizmann. British Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary, Viscount Palmerston, was a close Rothschild family associate and patriarch of European Freemasonry. He mixed with all the major Illuminati names of his era. As early as 1840, he wrote:

'There exists at the present time among the Jews dispersed over Europe a strong notion that the time is approaching when their nation is to return to Palestine. It would be of manifest importance to the Sultan to encourage the Jews to return and settle in Palestine because the wealth that they would bring with them would increase the resources of the Sultan's dominions, and the Jewish people if returning under the sanction and protection at the invitation of the Sultan would be a check upon any future evil designs of Egypt or its neighbours. I wish to instruct your Excellency strongly to recommend to the Turkish government to hold out every just encouragement to the Jews of Europe to return to Palestine.'

More bulls**t. Palmerston was pushing the Rothschild-Illuminati agenda and he knew it.

The Rothschild/Illuminati-manipulated First World War led to the 'Balfour Declaration' in 1917 when the British Foreign Secretary, Lord Balfour, declared his government's support for a Jewish homeland in Israel. This announcement was connected to a deal to bring the United States into the war, a scam orchestrated through President Woodrow Wilson's minders, Edward Mandel House and Bernard BaruchBernard BaruchBernard BaruchBernard BaruchBernard Baruch. Both were Rothschild agents in America.


It was Lionel Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, who formulated with others this British government 'declaration' in support of a Jewish homeland. What became known as the 'Balfour Declaration' was actually a letter from Balfour to Lord Rothschild. What official history does not tell you is that a major Illuminati grouping is called the Round Table and this spawned organisations like the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London and both the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission in the United States. Lord Balfour was an inner-circle member of the Round Table, Lord Rothschild was its funder, and the 'Balfour Declaration' was a letter between the two!


The Balfour Declaration promised Palestine to both the Jews and Arabs, in fact. They wanted to keep the Arabs on their side for a while because they needed them to revolt against the Turks as part of their First World War strategy. They used the man known as 'Lawrence of Arabia' to lead this campaign. However, they, and Lawrence, knew it was all a lie.

The Balfour Declaration said that 'nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine'. But Rothchild sidekick Chaim Weizmann would say: 'With regard to the Arab question - the British told us that there are several hundred thousand Negroes there but this is a matter of no consequence'. Nor have they been ever since.

After Europe had been devastated by the Rothschild-Illuminati First World War there came the Versailles 'Peace' Conference near Paris in 1919 in which reparations were imposed on the post war German government, the Weimar Republic, that were so crippling and unsustainable that they prepared the ground for Hitler and the Nazis to come to power on a platform of restoring German pride and the nation's economy.

Every one of the major 'advisors' at Versailles from Britain, France and the United States was either a Rothschild bloodline or controlled by them. These included Bernard Baruch. And guess what? They announced their official support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.




The Hitler regime was funded by Illuminati-Rothschild agents like the Rockefellers, Harrimans and Prescott Bush, grandfather of the idiot president. This allowed the German war machine to emerge in just a few years from the ashes of economic collapse. What followed was the Second World War, the concentration camps, and the Illuminati-Rothschild use of these horrors to secure their long-held goal - a foothold in the Middle East to advance their plans far into the future.

The lands that the Rothschilds and their agents wished to occupy were populated at the time by the Arabs or Palestinians, but there was always going to be but one fate for them. Former Israel Prime Minster, Yitzhak Rabin, said in an uncensored version of his memoirs, published in the New York Times on 23 October 23rd, 1979:

'We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question - What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said "Drive them out!"'

And that's what they did.



Zionist terrorism in the war to create the State of Israel. Remind you of anywhere?

The Arabs were driven out of power or consequence in their own land by Zionist terrorist groups like Hagana, Irgun and the Stern Gang (also known as Lehi) who bombed and assassinated Arabs, fellow Jews and the British administrators who had control over Palestine under a mandate from the League of Nations and the Versailles Peace Conference. 'Palestine' was then the region we now call Israel, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza Strip, formerly belonging to the Ottoman Empire.

This Zionist terrorism led to the imposition of the Jewish state in 1948 when 750,000 or more Arabic people were expelled from their own land. Among the major players in these and other terrorist operations were Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir and Ariel Sharon, butchers who became Israeli Prime Ministers and had the nerve to condemn Arab terrorism.


Begin and Shamir ... terrorists who became Prime Ministers of Israel and condemned terrorism!

The Stern Gang was named by the British after its first commander, Avraham Stern, who later formed his own group, Irgun Zvai Leumi be-Yisrael (National Military Organization in Israel). An Internet article describes the motivation:

'... Stern believed that the Jewish population should focus its efforts on fighting the British rather than supporting them in World War II; and that forceful methods were an effective means to achieve those goals. He differentiated between "enemies of the Jewish people" (e.g., the British) and "Jew haters", (e.g., the Nazis), believing that the former needed to be defeated, and the latter neutralized. To this end, he initiated contact with Nazi authorities offering an alliance with Germany in return for transferring Europe's Jews to Palestine and the establishment of a Jewish state therein.'

This has always been the true motivation of these manipulators and they have treated Jewish people as a whole as cattle to be exploited at will to this end.

Irgun, led by later Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, was responsible for the bombing of the British headquarters at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. It killed 91 Britons, Arabs and Jews, injuring many more, and this was only one of a stream of terrorist outrages and assassinations that ended in the creation of Israel. An article on the World Socialist Website, points out:

'It is not simply that Ariel Sharon and company are a bunch of hypocrites or political amnesiacs about the past. More importantly, the Irgun, led by Menachem Begin, the Stern Group and Lehi, its successor, went on to form the Herut party, forerunner of the Likud party, and the ultra right-wing Moledet party, which form the main coalition partners of Sharon's government.

The gang of former generals, ultra-nationalists and religious bigots that run Israel today are the political heirs of terrorists who furthermore had close connections with the fascists. In this, they mirrored some of the Arab nationalists in Palestine, Egypt and Iraq who allied themselves with Germany in order to rid themselves of British imperialism. These alliances led to a virtual civil war between the various wings of the Zionist movement during World War II.'

This is what people need urgently to realise. To challenge Israel is not to condemn Jewish people as a whole. It is to expose the fact that they are fodder in a game most do not begin to understand - a game controlled from the start by a leadership made up of terrorists. When we understand this, past and present events start to make far more sense.




Kissinger with Golda Meir

Henry Kissinger, a war criminal of astonishing proportions, was United States National Security Advisor and Secretary of State from 1969 to1977 and responsible for the death and suffering of extraordinary numbers of people around the world. But his prime role was to represent the interests of Israel and the Illuminati plan for the Middle East that I will describe shortly. Especially after the emergence of Kissinger, the Illuminati-Israel grip on American foreign and domestic policy began to tighten ever more obviously.

The Illuminati/Israel nexus has spent decades taking over the government structure of the United States to ensure that (a) Israel has become the recipient of ONE THIRD of all US aid; (b) that it is funded to the tune of billions a year by the US to finance its military spending and build up; and (c) that the United States government pursues a foreign policy of unbelievable bias towards Israel and against the surrounding Arab states.

he pathetic statements about Lebanon by Bush that blamed Hezbollah for everything, supported the mass murder of civilians, sorry 'Israel's right to defend itself', and showing no desire to secure a ceasefire, are typical of how Israel controls the US government through the Illuminati network. So is the mantra of 'Iran and Syria are to blame'. These are both on the Illuminati hit list and they need an excuse to target them.

As I pointed out in detail last week, the Bush administration is dominated by supporters of Israel through the Project for the New American Century, the American Enterprise Institute, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), one of the top lobby groups in Washington. Joel Beinin, a contributing editor of Middle East Report and a professor of Middle East history at Stanford University, says that the AIPAC ...:

'... became a significant force in shaping public opinion and US Middle East policy after the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. Its power was simultaneously enabled and enhanced by Israel's emergence as a regional surrogate for US military power in the Middle East in the terms outlined by the 1969 Nixon Doctrine'. (In other words, the Kissinger Doctrine).

An AIPAC foreign policy associate in Jerusalem told CNSNews.com that in one month alone some 10% of the members of the U.S. House of Representatives had visited Israel on tours it had arranged. CBS News also reported in 2004 that an FBI investigation had found evidence that a senior Pentagon analyst with close ties to neo-con Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and neo-con Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith had provided a draft presidential directive on Iran to the AIPAC that was then passed to the Israeli government.

Add to all this the Zionist control through ownership and personnel of much of the mainstream media and you have a network that gives the Arabic peoples no chance whatsoever of justice and understanding and the public no chance of being told the truth.


Wolf Blitzer, who leads the CNN team covering the Middle East conflict, is a Jewish former employee of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. How can that be seen to be fair? How many Arabic anchors are covering the conflict for CNN? Exactly.

So to current events and their true significance.

It is claimed that everything started with the kidnapping of the Israeli soldiers, but we need to go back at least to June 9th when Israel shelled a beach in Gaza killing eight Palestinians and injuring 32 civilians, including 13 children. The dead included seven members of one family. The Israeli government offered its 'deep regret', but this outrage was no accident. It was part of the process of instigating a reaction so that what has happened since could unfold.

On June 13th ,an Israeli plane fired at a vehicle on a busy Gaza road and when civilians hurried to help the injured another missile was fired into the crowd. Eleven Palestinians died, including two medical staff and two children.

Come on, the Israeli government was saying - retaliate. We have the gun clocked, we're ready to go, and we just need you to give us the excuse to pull the trigger.


A photograph released by the Israeli army shows an Israeli navy vessel shelling a beach in the northern Gaza Strip on June 9th 2006




Huda Ghalya screaming alongside the body of her father after the Israeli attack. Huda lost seven members of her family - across three generations - on that Gaza beach. Here's the video if you can stomach it. The Israeli government will have no problem - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13593.htm. And Israel has the nerve to talk about the terrorism of others.

If Arab people had done the same they would have been called terrorists, the pimps of the 'world community' would have been red-faced in their condemnation, and Israel's American-funded military would have done what have these past ten days.

The outrageous double-standards are just sickening. I saw some former Israel military commander this week saying how terrible it was that Israeli children had to be sitting in bomb shelters in Haifa when, as she spoke those words, children were being killed by Israeli bombs in Lebanon.

But then Israeli Prime Minister and terrorist, Menachem Begin, told the Israeli parliament that Palestinians 'are beasts walking on two legs' and another Prime Minister and terrorist, Yitzhak Shamir, said in a speech to Jewish settlers that the Palestinians 'would would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls'. ('Begin and the 'Beasts', New Statesman, June 25, 1982, and Yitzhak Shamir quoted in the New York Times April 1st, 1988). That is what they really think.



What a way to bring up your children ... Israeli kids writing messages on the bombs waiting to be fired at Lebanese civilians and children just like them ...

... But then God is on their side ...

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Have no illusions here, Arabs and the rest of the world's peoples, are seen as inferior beings - little more than vermin - to the extremist fanatics who buy the nonsensical baloney of a 'God's Chosen People'. It was the neo-con Israel fanatic John Bolton, the 'US' (Illuminati/Israel) Ambassador to the UN, who said this week that there was a 'moral' difference between the deaths of Israeli civilians and those of Lebanese people in the conflict.

'I think it would be a mistake to ascribe moral equivalence to civilians who die as the direct result of malicious terrorist acts,' he said, and those caused by Israel's 'self-defense'. Behind that statement is the racism that has long been at the heart of American and Israeli policy. But then why shouldn't Israel and its supporters be racist to others when their very state is based on apartheid and racism on a mega scale?

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The creation of Israel was never an end in itself. It has always been a means to an end. All along, the plan has been to target the Islamic world to trigger a global war that would set the world ablaze and lead to the 'solution' of centralised control of the planet and all its peoples. To do that they needed to create a point of conflict, a power keg, among the Arab countries that could be exploded to start another global conflict. This is the real reason for the creation of Israel and the real reason why the United States has spent its billions building up Israel's might and military.

Albert Pike, a Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry and Illuminati to the core, is alleged to have written a letter in 1871 to an infamous Illuminati operative, Guissepe Mazzini, in which he outlined the three world wars that would lead to global domination.

The first war, he is supposed to have written, would overthrow the Czars in Russia through a conflict between the British and Germanic Empires; and the second would lead to political Zionism being strong enough to install a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. Now there are many who say the letter never existed, but what is interesting, in the light of current events, is what he is supposed to have said about World War Three:

'The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile, the other nations, once more divided on this issue, will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion ...We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.'

Source: Cmdr.William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy, quoted in Satan: Prince of This World.

If Pike did not write that, then the faker was some prophet. The Illuminati agenda all along has been to create so much war, conflict and upheaval of every kind that the people agree to be ruled by a centralised global dictatorship to 'solve the problems' these perceived 'saviours' have actually created. It is the technique I have dubbed Problem-Reaction-Solution. You covertly create the problem and then overtly offer the solution ... the change you want to impose on the world.

The plan has always been to use Israel as the spark to explode the Middle East into war, which would then drag in more and more countries and lead to a conflict with China. North Korea is part of this, also. One of the reasons the rest of the Arab world has been so restrained over events in Lebanon is that they know the game plan and are terrified of the consequences for them.

It seems that the terrorist-turn-Prime Minister-terrorist, Ariel Sharon, was pursuing policies that did not suit the needs of the agenda. So he took his leave - stage far right -after his massive induced stroke to be replaced by his 'friend' Ehud Olmert and the truly appalling Shimon Peres who now front up the devastation and mass murder in Lebanon and Gaza.

This is the historical background, the falling dominoes, that have led to what is happening today with hundreds of Lebanese killed, more than half a million made refugees, and missiles killing and maiming Israelis who are manipulated and programmed by their own sick government to believe the Big Lie.

Of course, Arab terrorism is equally wrong. Violence just begets violence, only peace begets peace. Every kidnapping, death and injury is a personal and family tragedy and none is more or less important than any other. The sight of the Hezbollah leader, Hassan Nasrallah, calling two Arab children in Israel killed by Hezbollah rockets 'martyrs for Palestine' was gut-wrenching. There are idiots and terrorist fanatics on both sides and I have no illusions about the suppression of freedom in Syria or Iran either. It is a case of seeing the big picture in which the monstrous game is being played out and putting the Arab response into its historical context.

It is time for all of us to come together, Arab, Jew, Gentile, whatever name you give yourself. The labels don't matter; they are but diversions, illusions. We are ALL one infinite consciousness caught in a crazy computer game believing it to be real.

What do most Israelis, Arabs, Jews, Gentiles, Chinese, whoever, really want? They want peace and love and harmony in their lives. So let us grasp that together. It is what unites us, this desire for peace, love and freedom. It crosses the delusions of the religious and racial divide. Why should we go on allowing the crazies to deny it to us?

How do we change the world from hatred and war to peace and love?

We must be peaceful and loving and cease to cooperate with the forces of hatred and war.

They can only control us and dictate to us with our cooperation because they are the few and we are the many. We are the power on this planet if only we realised that and expressed it with a passion. The dark eyes and dark suits can only have power through divide and rule. They want us to fight among ourselves, only then can these pathetic people have their wicked way.

As Gandhi said: 'We must be the change we want to see in the world.'

Truer words never spoken.

'I'm ready, what about you?

[cap'n queasy]

David Icke is your source, dude.

Are Jews really reptilian aliens?

:lol:

Get out of here with that anti-semitic trash and quit spamming the forum with trash.

[metalan1]

It has nothing to do with reptiles, wtf are you talking about. It is the only article that covers the beginning of the Jewish State this thorough. regardless of other beliefs, everything in that article is factual.

[cool_chick]

You have to support deplorable actions of a government or you're "anti-semitic."

It makes no logical sense except to those who think simplistically.

Don't let them get you down.

[cap'n queasy]

metalan1 wrote: It has nothing to do with reptiles, wtf are you talking about. It is the only article that covers the beginning of the Jewish State this thorough. regardless of other beliefs, everything in that article is factual.

No it's not. That is a bunch of hooey you find on loony conspiracy and racist websites.

David Ickes, who you use as a source and whose website you use photos from, a guy who claims that the people who are behind this conspiracy you are exposing here are shape shifting reptiles is not a source of facts that can be characterized as reliable.

For example using the term Israel/Illuminati is patently ridiculous and puts your historical credibility in serious jeopardy IMHO.

If people want to hear bizarre fairy tales this is the right thread.

[cap'n queasy]

cool_chick wrote: You have to support deplorable actions of a government or you're "anti-semitic."

It makes no logical sense except to those who think simplistically.

Don't let them get you down.

Who said anything about supporting the government?

Do you actually think that Israel/Illuminati is a actual group that pulls the strings behind everything? I would have to say that is using extremely simplistic thinking to lay the blame for the world's problems at the feet of a perpetual scapegoat, Jewish folks. That is clearly anti-semitism.

That's all I'm taking issue with.

[to_frankie]

cap'n queasy wrote: cool_chick wrote: You have to support deplorable actions of a government or you're "anti-semitic."

It makes no logical sense except to those who think simplistically.

Don't let them get you down.

Who said anything about supporting the government?

Do you actually think that Israel/Illuminati is a actual group that pulls the strings behind everything? I would have to say that is using extremely simplistic thinking to lay the blame for the world's problems at the feet of a perpetual scapegoat, Jewish folks. That is clearly anti-semitism.

That's all I'm taking issue with.

I find a lot of thsi article quite far fetched but, its a know fact that most Askhenazi jews are originally from Khazaria so that doesnt make them semites does capnquesy? ANd thus, the term anti-semtism is null and void.

[Dash]

cool_chick wrote: You have to support deplorable actions of a government or you're "anti-semitic."

It makes no logical sense except to those who think simplistically.

Don't let them get you down.

And conversely, you can say any absurdly paranoid, false, misleading, over the top thing about Israel and be innoculated by simply charing the other side is smearing you as "anti-semetic" for no reason whatsoever. Right?

"The Illuminati/Israel nexus" ... gimme a break. So you're supporting this article I assume Cool Chick?

[DavidXV]

to_frankie wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: cool_chick wrote: You have to support deplorable actions of a government or you're "anti-semitic."

It makes no logical sense except to those who think simplistically.

Don't let them get you down.

Who said anything about supporting the government?

Do you actually think that Israel/Illuminati is a actual group that pulls the strings behind everything? I would have to say that is using extremely simplistic thinking to lay the blame for the world's problems at the feet of a perpetual scapegoat, Jewish folks. That is clearly anti-semitism.

That's all I'm taking issue with.

I find a lot of thsi article quite far fetched but, its a know fact that most Askhenazi jews are originally from Khazaria so that doesnt make them semites does capnquesy? ANd thus, the term anti-semtism is null and void. Great propaganda diatribe, but anti-semite is the term that has always throughout history been used to describe those who hate Jews. it's not new, and no the propagandists do not get to change it's meaning.

[henrilegrand]

[quote="to_frankie"][quote="cap'n queasy"][quote="cool_chick"]You have to support deplorable actions of a government or you're "anti-semitic."

It makes no logical sense except to those who think simplistically.

Don't let them get you down.[/quote]

Who said anything about supporting the government?

Do you actually think that Israel/Illuminati is a actual group that pulls the strings behind everything? I would have to say that is using extremely simplistic thinking to lay the blame for the world's problems at the feet of a perpetual scapegoat, Jewish folks. That is clearly anti-semitism.

That's all I'm taking issue with.[/quote]

I find a lot of thsi article quite far fetched but, its a know fact that most Askhenazi jews are originally from Khazaria so that doesnt make them semites does capnquesy? ANd thus, the term anti-semtism is null and void.[/quote]

*****

All opinions negative of Israel today is called "Antisemitism"

Consider what Jesus said regarding the Jews in
John 8:44 - "You are children of the devil...you are murderers...you are liars and the father of lies"

Jesus was right, he knew what he was talking about, he was a Jew himself.

And BTW, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism did not promote the barbecueing of 6 million Jews during the Holocaust.

[cap'n queasy]

That Khazaria theory is a bogus anti-semitic theory, as well. It's just a place that a lot of Jews migrated to. How that means they are not Jewish in any way I fail to see. European Jews are basically genetically indistinguishable from any other Jew.

Why would Khazarians just up and claim they were Jews with no justification for it? That doesn't make any sense. Would you just up and claim to be an Eskimo or Chinese if you did not have this heritage?


Besides science says something else.
Quote: By the end of the tenth century, their power was broken by the Kievan Rus, and the Khazars largely disappeared from history. The theoretical Khazar contribution to the bloodline of modern Ashkenazi Jews proposed by some historians is politically sensitive. Current genetic studies show that Jewish Y-Chromosome DNA seems to have originated in Middle Eastern populations, whereas studies which take into account Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) show no relation to middle eastern ethnic groups. So although Khazars might have been absorbed into the Jewish population it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Ashkenazim.

They are Jewish.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: Consider what Jesus said regarding the Jews in
John 8:44 - "You are children of the devil...you are murderers...you are liars and the father of lies"

Jesus was right, he knew what he was talking about, he was a Jew himself.

Y'shua said this in reference to some individuals who were religious authorities He had issue with.

Y'shua was a Jew Himself. Don't try to twist His words to fit your blatantly anti-semitic opinions.

That's pathetic.

[Fido]

The Rothschild's may have had an interest in the formation of Israel. You mention the one of the most significant players in this dram in Bernard Baruch, who as an American financial genius and close friend of Winston Churchill, who worked to deny the Palestine the vote when it was clear they wanted the Jews out legitimately. After the first world war, the Hashimite king of Arabia made a statement allowing complete freedom for Jews to their own schools and institutions, but against the separation even of Palestine from Transjordan, as it is geographically the same area. This statement is printed in: With Lawrence in Arabia, by Lowell Thomas; which also contains a dire warning about the Wahhabi's, and this is the very group Bin Ladin comes from.
We, the West, out of hatred of Jews and under the influence of Jewish wealth have helped these essentially European people to alienate all the Arabs, and Muslims generally. But let us not lie. They really are not essentially different in genetic makeup than Europeans and Americans. Only their culture and language are Semitic, but they have made their wealth under Western Law that they helped to shape, but the terror they practice is beyond even what the Arabs have normally practiced, which tended to spare women and children.
See: The myth of the Jewish Race. It is ver y in ter est ing.

[DavidXV]

henrilegrand wrote: to_frankie wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: cool_chick wrote: You have to support deplorable actions of a government or you're "anti-semitic."

It makes no logical sense except to those who think simplistically.

Don't let them get you down.

Who said anything about supporting the government?

Do you actually think that Israel/Illuminati is a actual group that pulls the strings behind everything? I would have to say that is using extremely simplistic thinking to lay the blame for the world's problems at the feet of a perpetual scapegoat, Jewish folks. That is clearly anti-semitism.

That's all I'm taking issue with.

I find a lot of thsi article quite far fetched but, its a know fact that most Askhenazi jews are originally from Khazaria so that doesnt make them semites does capnquesy? ANd thus, the term anti-semtism is null and void.

*****

All opinions negative of Israel today is called "Antisemitism"

Consider what Jesus said regarding the Jews in
John 8:44 - "You are children of the devil...you are murderers...you are liars and the father of lies"

Jesus was right, he knew what he was talking about, he was a Jew himself.

And BTW, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism did not promote the barbecueing of 6 million Jews during the Holocaust. Maybe you should read the whole thing again, this time very slowly.


From the Blue Letter Bible

King James Version (KJV)
John - Chapter 8
Treasury of Scripture KnowledgeConcordance and Hebrew/GreekList


Jhn 8:1 ¶ Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

Jhn 8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

Jhn 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,


Jhn 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

Jhn 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

Jhn 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].


Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Jhn 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

Jhn 8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Jhn 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

Jhn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Jhn 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Jhn 8:13 ¶ The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

Jhn 8:14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, [yet] my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

Jhn 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

Jhn 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

Jhn 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

Jhn 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Jhn 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Jhn 8:20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

Jhn 8:21 ¶ Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

Jhn 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

Jhn 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

Jhn 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even [the same] that I said unto you from the beginning.

Jhn 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

Jhn 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

Jhn 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Jhn 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Jhn 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

Jhn 8:31 ¶ Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;

Jhn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jhn 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

Jhn 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Jhn 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever.

Jhn 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jhn 8:37 ¶ I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Jhn 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

Jhn 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Jhn 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Jhn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.

Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jhn 8:45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.

Jhn 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

Jhn 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

Jhn 8:48 ¶ Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?

Jhn 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

Jhn 8:50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

Jhn 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Jhn 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

Jhn 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

Jhn 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Jhn 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

Jhn 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jhn 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

[DavidXV]

OK, time for a pop quiz!

Is He condemning them or is He teaching them something?

[psholtz]

DavidXV wrote: to_frankie wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: cool_chick wrote: You have to support deplorable actions of a government or you're "anti-semitic."

It makes no logical sense except to those who think simplistically.

Don't let them get you down.

Who said anything about supporting the government?

Do you actually think that Israel/Illuminati is a actual group that pulls the strings behind everything? I would have to say that is using extremely simplistic thinking to lay the blame for the world's problems at the feet of a perpetual scapegoat, Jewish folks. That is clearly anti-semitism.

That's all I'm taking issue with.

I find a lot of thsi article quite far fetched but, its a know fact that most Askhenazi jews are originally from Khazaria so that doesnt make them semites does capnquesy? ANd thus, the term anti-semtism is null and void. Great propaganda diatribe, but anti-semite is the term that has always throughout history been used to describe those who hate Jews. it's not new, and no the propagandists do not get to change it's meaning.
If by "throughout history" you mean for the least 130 years or so, then .. OK.

Otherwise, it's you my friend who is spinning the propaganda.

[DavidXV]

Fido wrote: The Rothschild's may have had an interest in the formation of Israel. You mention the one of the most significant players in this dram in Bernard Baruch, who as an American financial genius and close friend of Winston Churchill, who worked to deny the Palestine the vote when it was clear they wanted the Jews out legitimately. After the first world war, the Hashimite king of Arabia made a statement allowing complete freedom for Jews to their own schools and institutions, but against the separation even of Palestine from Transjordan, as it is geographically the same area. This statement is printed in: With Lawrence in Arabia, by Lowell Thomas; which also contains a dire warning about the Wahhabi's, and this is the very group Bin Ladin comes from.
We, the West, out of hatred of Jews and under the influence of Jewish wealth have helped these essentially European people to alienate all the Arabs, and Muslims generally. But let us not lie. They really are not essentially different in genetic makeup than Europeans and Americans. Only their culture and language are Semitic, but they have made their wealth under Western Law that they helped to shape, but the terror they practice is beyond even what the Arabs have normally practiced, which tended to spare women and children.
See: The myth of the Jewish Race. It is ver y in ter est ing. I have some beautiful ocean-front property out in arizona i would be willing to sell for the right price.

[to_frankie]

psholtz wrote: DavidXV wrote: to_frankie wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: cool_chick wrote: You have to support deplorable actions of a government or you're "anti-semitic."

It makes no logical sense except to those who think simplistically.

Don't let them get you down.

Who said anything about supporting the government?

Do you actually think that Israel/Illuminati is a actual group that pulls the strings behind everything? I would have to say that is using extremely simplistic thinking to lay the blame for the world's problems at the feet of a perpetual scapegoat, Jewish folks. That is clearly anti-semitism.

That's all I'm taking issue with.

I find a lot of thsi article quite far fetched but, its a know fact that most Askhenazi jews are originally from Khazaria so that doesnt make them semites does capnquesy? ANd thus, the term anti-semtism is null and void. Great propaganda diatribe, but anti-semite is the term that has always throughout history been used to describe those who hate Jews. it's not new, and no the propagandists do not get to change it's meaning.
If by "throughout history" you mean for the least 130 years or so, then .. OK.

Otherwise, it's you my friend who is spinning the propaganda.

as they always do. Tell me again oh wise one how is that ati-semitism means anti-jewish exclusively when the overwhelmingly majrity of semites are ARABS. spin that propaganda. spin it kiddo.

[cap'n queasy]

Fido wrote: The Rothschild's may have had an interest in the formation of Israel. You mention the one of the most significant players in this dram in Bernard Baruch, who as an American financial genius and close friend of Winston Churchill, who worked to deny the Palestine the vote when it was clear they wanted the Jews out legitimately. After the first world war, the Hashimite king of Arabia made a statement allowing complete freedom for Jews to their own schools and institutions, but against the separation even of Palestine from Transjordan, as it is geographically the same area. This statement is printed in: With Lawrence in Arabia, by Lowell Thomas; which also contains a dire warning about the Wahhabi's, and this is the very group Bin Ladin comes from.
We, the West, out of hatred of Jews and under the influence of Jewish wealth have helped these essentially European people to alienate all the Arabs, and Muslims generally. But let us not lie. They really are not essentially different in genetic makeup than Europeans and Americans. Only their culture and language are Semitic, but they have made their wealth under Western Law that they helped to shape, but the terror they practice is beyond even what the Arabs have normally practiced, which tended to spare women and children.
See: The myth of the Jewish Race. It is ver y in ter est ing.

Several factual discrepencies. Most notably the idea that bin Laden is a Wahabist.

He is a Qutbist. An ideology that conflicts directly with Wahabism.
http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/

But also the idea that the Hashemite king, a Saudi Arabian royal from Mecca, had any legitimate claim over deciding who the land of Israel should given to is mistaken. This decision was Britain's, and the Hashemite kingdom was artificially created with the installation of non-Palestinian rulers as well so they really had no say in the matter. The same family also received Iraq and a lot of other consideration for their assistence with the Turks.

Many more Palestinians have been killed by these people than by Israel. During Black September they killed up to an estimated 50,000 or so Palestinians during in Jordan during 1970, alone. Not unjustifiably either, as the Palestinians were engaged in a Syrian backed coup d' tet attempt in Jordan at the time. Incidentally, Jordan has a treaty with Israel now and has renounced it's claim over Judea and Samaria, which they occupied and annexed during the Arab League's 1948 invasion of Israel, launched less than 24 hours after it's restoration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan

Additionally, the genetic make-up of European Jews clearly shows that they are Jews. They have the same genetic maladies, such as Say-Tachs disease etc.
http://www.genetichealthvic.net.au/pages/news&views/news11.html

It is clearly racist to claim otherwise. It is a theory developed by racists to promote a racist agenda. There is no other purpose for it than to attempt to cut-off any legitimate criticism of this type of view.

If you want to seriously discuss history, which I can see you have some grasp of, that is one thing but if you use such pseudo-scientific and mythic arguments that focus un-naturally on racial traits you are going to lose credibility.

And whackified theories like that of an "Israel/Illumniati nexus" are just obvious, grotesque, and blatant anti-semitic distortions that they shouldn't even be considered. They have absolutely no basis and cannot be fobbed off as "history" on anyone with any knowledge of history.

[DavidXV]

psholtz wrote: DavidXV wrote: to_frankie wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: cool_chick wrote: You have to support deplorable actions of a government or you're "anti-semitic."

It makes no logical sense except to those who think simplistically.

Don't let them get you down.

Who said anything about supporting the government?

Do you actually think that Israel/Illuminati is a actual group that pulls the strings behind everything? I would have to say that is using extremely simplistic thinking to lay the blame for the world's problems at the feet of a perpetual scapegoat, Jewish folks. That is clearly anti-semitism.

That's all I'm taking issue with.

I find a lot of thsi article quite far fetched but, its a know fact that most Askhenazi jews are originally from Khazaria so that doesnt make them semites does capnquesy? ANd thus, the term anti-semtism is null and void. Great propaganda diatribe, but anti-semite is the term that has always throughout history been used to describe those who hate Jews. it's not new, and no the propagandists do not get to change it's meaning.
If by "throughout history" you mean for the least 130 years or so, then .. OK.

Otherwise, it's you my friend who is spinning the propaganda. I meant, hatred of Jews existed before the term and since it's inception was the term described hatred of Jews and has never meant anything else. The recent attempts to redefine the meaning are the work of propagandists. You can't find in history it ever being used for anything else, throughout it's history, it has only one meaning.