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[praise-the-lord]

Quote: The lands of the Semitic peoples. Why aren't we told that being 'anti-Semitic' overwhelmingly means 'anti-Arab'??
just as i expected, no neo con-liberals will try to argue or comment on this point

[rye]

Your post read like a Dan Brown novel, and though he initially claimed to some degree that it was true, he later admitted it was a work of total fiction.

Could you show me a primary source for this one:
"The 'Jewish homeland' was from the start a Rothschild fiefdom orchestrated through a global secret society network of interbreeding families known as the Illuminati. The goal of these families is domination of the planet through a world government dictatorship, a world army and a micro-chipped population, as I have been detailing in my books all these years. "

And this:
"The grandson had said of the Rothschilds: 'They created Israel as their personal toy. It makes them richer and gives them more control. It's not going to be destroyed.' "

And this one, because I've read a university report saying that Ashkenazim have genetic mutations that only occur in people from the Middle East:
"In fact, this nonsense is an historical fraud because the vast majority of Jewish people, those who call themselves 'Ashkenazi' Jews, have no connection to the land of Palestine/Israel at all"

I kind of don't care what Koestler says when actual data indicates the opposite.

Anyhow, this story should be made into a movie...without Tom Hanks.

[Timur The Lame]

cool_chick wrote:

Why would you believe you're a reptile?

My dad's mother was one of those pesky Rothschilds (U.S (British) branch).

Quote:
Icke has further claimed that a small group of Jews, namely the Rothschild family — who are really a "reptilian humanoid bloodline" — secretly financed Adolf Hitler and supported the Holocaust. [6] As a result, Icke's speaking tours at one time attracted the interest of British neo-Nazis such as Combat 18, [5] and he continues to face opposition from Jewish and anti-racist groups such as the Anti-Defamation League in Canada. Icke has strongly denied that he is an anti-Semite, stressing that the Rothschilds are reptiles, not Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

[Timur The Lame]

praise-the-lord wrote:
just as i expected, no neo con-liberals will try to argue or comment on this point

Because the only Semitic peoples in Europe (and privy for persecution) were the Jews for a long time. It's a cultural thing.

BTW, love your sig.

[cool_chick]

Timur The Lame wrote: cool_chick wrote:

Why would you believe you're a reptile?

My dad's mother was one of those pesky Rothschilds (U.S (British) branch).

Quote:
Icke has further claimed that a small group of Jews, namely the Rothschild family — who are really a "reptilian humanoid bloodline" — secretly financed Adolf Hitler and supported the Holocaust. [6] As a result, Icke's speaking tours at one time attracted the interest of British neo-Nazis such as Combat 18, [5] and he continues to face opposition from Jewish and anti-racist groups such as the Anti-Defamation League in Canada. Icke has strongly denied that he is an anti-Semite, stressing that the Rothschilds are reptiles, not Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Cool.

But why would you believe you're a reptile? Who said you were a reptile?

[Richard Owl Mirror]

cap'n queasy wrote: David Icke is your source, dude.

Are Jews really reptilian aliens?

:lol:

Get out of here with that anti-semitic trash and quit spamming the forum with trash.

:rotf: I swear, I was about to make the same comment :gdgf:


Reptilian humanoid
Reptilian humanoids are intelligent, supernatural, or highly developed reptile-like humanoids
in mythology, popular fiction, and speculative fringe theories.
They also appear in some conspiracy theories, most notably those of David Icke.

Quote: Reptoids are often reported wearing hoods
Hey, maybe this is why Muslims hide their women under those burka's ?

[Richard Owl Mirror]

praise-the-lord wrote: Quote: The lands of the Semitic peoples. Why aren't we told that being 'anti-Semitic' overwhelmingly means 'anti-Arab'??
just as i expected, no neo con-liberals will try to argue or comment on this point

While I have no idea what a neo-con liberal is, I do know what constitutes The Semitic Peoples

[Kumar]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote:
Quote: Reptoids are often reported wearing hoods
Hey, maybe this is why Muslims hide their women under those burka's ?
Ah, your true character shines through. :)

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Kumar wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote:
Quote: Reptoids are often reported wearing hoods
Hey, maybe this is why Muslims hide their women under those burka's ?
Ah, your true character shines through. :)
I've never covered or hidden it.
Anyone who actually thinks that GOD would give directions to human beings that they should make their women cover their bodies because it creates SIN, can't be taken seriously.

It's misplaced social management at it's best.
What artist creates a masterpiece, then places a bag over it so nobody may enjoy it?

Now, if Muslims would admit that this direction did NOT come from God I wouldn't be so harsh on the matter.

[cool_chick]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Kumar wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote:
Quote: Reptoids are often reported wearing hoods
Hey, maybe this is why Muslims hide their women under those burka's ?
Ah, your true character shines through. :)
I've never covered or hidden it.
Anyone who actually thinks that GOD would give directions to human beings that they should make their women cover their bodies because it creates SIN, can't be taken seriously.


So don't take them seriously. But why do you care what they believe? Why can't they believe whatever the hell they want? Why should lands be taken from them and be forcibly intervened because they believe whatever they believe?

And FTR, most muslim women feel the same way with regard to the veil.....who cares if they enjoy the freedom they find from it to be themselves (this is a common feeling among Muslim women who wear the veil....).

[Kumar]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote:
I've never covered or hidden it.
Anyone who actually thinks that GOD would give directions to human beings that they should make their women cover their bodies because it creates SIN, can't be taken seriously.

It's misplaced social management at it's best.
What artist creates a masterpiece, then places a bag over it so nobody may enjoy it?

Now, if Muslims would admit that this direction did NOT come from God I wouldn't be so harsh on the matter.
Your logic is selective at best. Most all religions believe in restricting or promoting behavior based on what they think God would "want". For example, there are freaks out there who think that Israel is divinely ordained for the Jews, which is far worse than believing in a divine dress code. The problem is with religion as a whole, and not just Islam in particular.

[mirage]

Very well written metalan1. I've known about most of these perspectives for a long time and tend to find them more satisfying (in terms of answering questions) than the more common perspectives that tend to excuse the zionist movement.

Indeed, I've always marvelled at the way so many people equate semitic references to Jews when most semitic people today are Arab. I was glad to see someone else make that point.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

Kumar wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote:
I've never covered or hidden it.
Anyone who actually thinks that GOD would give directions to human beings that they should make their women cover their bodies because it creates SIN, can't be taken seriously.

It's misplaced social management at it's best.
What artist creates a masterpiece, then places a bag over it so nobody may enjoy it?

Now, if Muslims would admit that this direction did NOT come from God I wouldn't be so harsh on the matter.
Your logic is selective at best. Most all religions believe in restricting or promoting behavior based on what they think God would "want". For example, there are freaks out there who think that Israel is divinely ordained for the Jews, which is far worse than believing in a divine dress code. The problem is with religion as a whole, and not just Islam in particular.

Quote: For example, there are freaks out there who think that Israel is divinely ordained for the Jews, ...
You mean like what is written within the Koran ? :think:

Quote: And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) >>> on the earth]. We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations).[Tafsir Al-Qurtubî, Vol. 10, Page 338]

Quote: And We chose them (the Children of Israel) above the 'Alamîn (mankind, and jinns) [during the time of Mûsa (Moses)] with knowledge,

[url=http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html]THE QUR'AN SAYS THAT ALLAH GAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWS
AND WILL RESTORE THEM TO IT AT THE END OF DAYS[/url]
by Shaykh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi
Quote: THE QUR'AN SAYS:

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

Quote: MUSLIMS MUST RECOGNIZE THE STATE OF ISRAEL AS A JEWISH STATE
Is there any fundamental reason which prohibits Muslims from recognizing Israel as a friendly State?

I realize that a negative answer to the above question is taken for granted by popular opinion. My approach, however, is not based on popular opinion or the current political situation, but on a theological analysis of authentic Islamic sources.

Viewing the Jewish return to Israel as a Western invasion and Zionists as recent colonizers is new. It has no basis in authentic Islamic faith. According to the Qur'an, no person, people or religious community can claim a permanent right of possession over any territory. The Earth belongs exclusively to God, and He is free to entrust sovereignty over land to whomever He likes for whatever time period that He chooses.

"Say: 'O God, King of the kingdom (1), Thou givest the kingdom to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off the kingdom from whom Thou pleasest; Thou endowest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: all the best is in Thy hand. Verily, Thou hast power over all things.'"(2) [Qur'an 3:26]

From the above Qur'anic verse we deduce a basic principle of the Monotheistic philosophy of history: God chooses as He likes in the relationship between peoples and countries. Sometimes He gives a land to a people, and sometimes He takes His possession back and gives it to another people.

In general, we can say that He gives as a reward for faithfulness and takes back as a punishment for wickedness, but this rule does not permit us to say that God's ways are always plain and clear to our eyes, since His secrets are inaccessible to the human intellect.

Using Islam as a basis for preventing Arabs from recognizing any sovereign right of Jews over the Land of Israel is new. Such beliefs are not found in classical Islamic sources.

Concluding that anti-Zionism is the logical outgrowth of Islamic faith is wrong. This conclusion represents the false transformation of Islam from a religion into a secularized ideology.

Such a false transformation of Islam was in fact made by the late Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin el-Husseini. He is the one person most responsible, both morally and materially, for the repeated Arab defeats in their conflict with the Jews in Israel.

Husseni not only incited Arabs against Jews. He also encouraged the torture and murder of all Arabs who correctly understood that Arab cooperation with Jews was a precious opportunity for the development of the Land of Israel. Husseini ended his woeful life by putting his perverted religious teachings at the service of the evil and pagan Nazis.

After Husseini came Jamal al-Din 'Abd al-Nasser. Nasser based his policy on Pan-Arabism, hatred and contempt for Jews, and an alliance with the atheistic Soviet Union. Nasser's terrible choices were critical factors in maintaining Arab backwardness. Fortunately, most of Nasser's mistakes were afterward corrected by the martyr Anwar Sadat. (3)

After the defeat of Nasserianism, Islamic fundamentalist movements made anti-Zionism the primary feature of their propaganda. They presented the negation of any Jewish rights to the Land of Israel as rooted in authentic Islam and derived from authentic Islamic religious principles.

Quote: THE LAND OF ISRAEL IN QUR'ANIC EXEGESIS

The fundamentalist Muslim program to use Islam as an instrument for political warfare against Jews finds a major obstacle in the Qur'an itself. Both the Bible and the Qur'an state quite clearly that the right of the Israelites to the Land of Israel does not depend on conquest and colonization. This right flows from the will of almighty God Himself.

Both the Jewish and Islamic Scriptures teach that God, through His chosen servant Moses, decided to free the offspring of Jacob from slavery in Egypt and to constitute them as heirs of the Promised Land. Whoever claims that Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel is something new and rooted in human politics denies divine revelation and divine prophecy as explicitly expressed in our Holy Books (the Bible and Koran).

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

Moreover - and those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Holy Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

Therefore, from an Islamic point of view, there is NO fundamental reason which prohibits Muslims from recognizing Israel as a friendly State.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

cool_chick wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Kumar wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote:
Quote: Reptoids are often reported wearing hoods
Hey, maybe this is why Muslims hide their women under those burka's ?
Ah, your true character shines through. :)
I've never covered or hidden it.
Anyone who actually thinks that GOD would give directions to human beings that they should make their women cover their bodies because it creates SIN, can't be taken seriously.


So don't take them seriously. But why do you care what they believe? Why can't they believe whatever the hell they want? Why should lands be taken from them and be forcibly intervened because they believe whatever they believe?

And FTR, most muslim women feel the same way with regard to the veil.....who cares if they enjoy the freedom they find from it to be themselves (this is a common feeling among Muslim women who wear the veil....).

I care because I love them all and wish they would not follow misguided teachings.

[cap'n queasy]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: cool_chick wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Kumar wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote:
Quote: Reptoids are often reported wearing hoods
Hey, maybe this is why Muslims hide their women under those burka's ?
Ah, your true character shines through. :)
I've never covered or hidden it.
Anyone who actually thinks that GOD would give directions to human beings that they should make their women cover their bodies because it creates SIN, can't be taken seriously.


So don't take them seriously. But why do you care what they believe? Why can't they believe whatever the hell they want? Why should lands be taken from them and be forcibly intervened because they believe whatever they believe?

And FTR, most muslim women feel the same way with regard to the veil.....who cares if they enjoy the freedom they find from it to be themselves (this is a common feeling among Muslim women who wear the veil....).

I care because I love them all and wish they would not follow misguided teachings.

Like believing Jews are alien, shapeshifting reptiles? :lol:
I can't believe there are people who can actually defend that view as being nonanti-semitic.

Or should I say anti-Hebrew? I don't know what call to anything these days, with all the language "deconstruction" that goes on.

[Timur The Lame]

cool_chick wrote: Timur The Lame wrote: cool_chick wrote:

Why would you believe you're a reptile?

My dad's mother was one of those pesky Rothschilds (U.S (British) branch).

Quote:
Icke has further claimed that a small group of Jews, namely the Rothschild family — who are really a "reptilian humanoid bloodline" — secretly financed Adolf Hitler and supported the Holocaust. [6] As a result, Icke's speaking tours at one time attracted the interest of British neo-Nazis such as Combat 18, [5] and he continues to face opposition from Jewish and anti-racist groups such as the Anti-Defamation League in Canada. Icke has strongly denied that he is an anti-Semite, stressing that the Rothschilds are reptiles, not Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Cool.

But why would you believe you're a reptile? Who said you were a reptile?

David Icke. And he's right too :wink:

[to_frankie]

DavidXV wrote: to_frankie wrote:

I find a lot of thsi article quite far fetched but, its a know fact that most Askhenazi jews are originally from Khazaria so that doesnt make them semites does capnquesy? ANd thus, the term anti-semtism is null and void. Great propaganda diatribe, but anti-semite is the term that has always throughout history been used to describe those who hate Jews. it's not new, and no the propagandists do not get to change it's meaning.

through out history is that right? go read a histroy book. that is not the case at all. teh term anti-semitsm=anti-Jewish a modern concept. But, dont let the facts get in the way of your argument mate.

[to_frankie]

Timur The Lame wrote: praise-the-lord wrote:
just as i expected, no neo con-liberals will try to argue or comment on this point

Because the only Semitic peoples in Europe (and privy for persecution) were the Jews for a long time. It's a cultural thing.

BTW, love your sig.

incorrect chap. Again Ill use facts ti counter your point. The Arabs were very present in Spain, Italy, Portugal, and South france in many points in Europe's history and thus, your point is negated.

[Chymical]

Personal ignorance check, how can ashkenazi jews be semitic?

cheers

[Claudia Schiffer]

praise-the-lord wrote: metalan1 wrote: The Rothschild cabal could not care less about Jews. To them they are a means to an end of global control.

The invasion and subversion of an entire nation was based on texts in the Bible written by who knows who thousands of years ago after the Jewish captivity in the ancient Illuminati centre of Babylon in what is now Iraq. Pinch me, it can't be true. 'Ouch', yes it is.


the best post i read here in a while


Yea! Me too! I only read half but will read the other half tomorrow.

Thanks to the author of this thread, and thanks to the reel Jew who died delivering that message. this is a very well keept secret, and people have got to know. I love the Internet. :)