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SaladFingers · Joined: 28 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

By now everyone's probably heard of his anti-sematic remarks on the news, he was drunk for crying out loud! Who here actually means what they say when they are drunk.

Anyways, this guy is already kicking himself in the ass + he's thrown himself on the alter of sacrifice asking for forgiveness + seeking treatment for his alchohol problem.

Is it really right the media rides people like this, criminalizing them.. almost going overboard?

Lumina · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 18289

People love to put others on pedestals and then knock them down--it's the great American celebrity tradition, LOL.

Gibson's hubris finally caught up with him.

micfranklin

SaladFingers wrote: By now everyone's probably heard of his anti-sematic remarks on the news, he was drunk for crying out loud! Who here actually means what they say when they are drunk.

Anyways, this guy is already kicking himself in the ass + he's thrown himself on the alter of sacrifice asking for forgiveness + seeking treatment for his alchohol problem.

Is it really right the media rides people like this, criminalizing them.. almost going overboard?

:tsk: :tsk: Ahhh, you've forgotten that if any person (or celebrity for that matter) says or does some controversial ordeals on television, the media is sure to blow it up and make it more serious than it needs to be. Remember Janet Jackson at the half-time show?

Plus, he was drunk, and you never take a drunk seriously.

Protostar · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:09 am Post subject:

Actually I think there is a saying that goes "The truth comes out when your drunk." Even if he does feel that way about the Jews, I still think the guy is a damn good actor and would still go see him in the movies.

Lumina · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 18289

I think liquor loosens the truth as well as inhibitions.

Gibson's just as ordinary a sinner as anybody else, only his mistakes are played out in front of the whole world. To whom much is given, much is also expected, I guess.

toddytodd · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 2736

Mel is a celebrity and people love it when celebs screw up. Add to it the irony of everything that happened (a professed Christian, maker of Passion of the Christ, the uproar it caused within some Jewish circles, etc), the anti-semitic remarks, etc, and it makes for 'good' TV gossip (meaning our normal lives are so boring that we must feed on celebs' lives).

I don't think they have done anything different with Mel than they have (or would have) to any other famous person. Look at Tom and Katie - almost every time the guy f*rts you hear about it.
Celebs aren't immune from making mistakes, but they should be more aware of the circunstances of their mistakes as they aren't 'regular' citizens.

StrangerWitCandy · Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 5706 Location: Fairfax, VA

I've never been a fan of Mel as a person or actor, but I respect the fact that he owned up to what he did and took responsibility. Many people would just retreat into seclusion for a while until the media storm dies down and then come back with some charitable crap to try and make everyone forget what they did.

At least he admitted it, pretty quickly too, and gave an apology. I still don't like his movies or him all that much in particular (tho I don't hate him) but I do have respect for his ability to take responsibility for his actions. It does take some balls, especially in the malicious world known as Hollywood.

George W Bush · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject:

the guy was drunk, and arrested.
people are sooo sensitive in america. they need things like the FCC to protect them from all the bad words that they percieve as harmful. lol.
give the guy a break. most of all, give your feelings a break if you are "offended".

toddytodd · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 2736

StrangerWitCandy wrote: I've never been a fan of Mel as a person or actor, but I respect the fact that he owned up to what he did and took responsibility. Many people would just retreat into seclusion for a while until the media storm dies down and then come back with some charitable crap to try and make everyone forget what they did.

At least he admitted it, pretty quickly too, and gave an apology. I still don't like his movies or him all that much in particular (tho I don't hate him) but I do have respect for his ability to take responsibility for his actions. It does take some balls, especially in the malicious world known as Hollywood.

Well said

Quicksurf · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 4675

Protostar wrote: Actually I think there is a saying that goes "The truth comes out when your drunk." Even if he does feel that way about the Jews, I still think the guy is a damn good actor and would still go see him in the movies.

Feel what about the Jews? :?

The Passion was not biased in my opinion.

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

SaladFingers wrote: By now everyone's probably heard of his anti-sematic remarks on the news, he was drunk for crying out loud! Who here actually means what they say when they are drunk.

Anyways, this guy is already kicking himself in the ass + he's thrown himself on the alter of sacrifice asking for forgiveness + seeking treatment for his alchohol problem.

Is it really right the media rides people like this, criminalizing them.. almost going overboard?

The Jews were just looking for a way to punish him for "The passion of CHrist". Now they finally got their chance and they are doing it.

ANyways, what did he say?

Protostar · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject:

Quicksurf wrote: Protostar wrote: Actually I think there is a saying that goes "The truth comes out when your drunk." Even if he does feel that way about the Jews, I still think the guy is a damn good actor and would still go see him in the movies.

Feel what about the Jews? :?

The Passion was not biased in my opinion.

I wasn't talking about that movie. I was talking about his comments on Jews and how I don't care if his comments reflect his true feelings towards them.

Lumina · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 18289

StrangerWitCandy wrote: I've never been a fan of Mel as a person or actor, but I respect the fact that he owned up to what he did and took responsibility. Many people would just retreat into seclusion for a while until the media storm dies down and then come back with some charitable crap to try and make everyone forget what they did.

At least he admitted it, pretty quickly too, and gave an apology. I still don't like his movies or him all that much in particular (tho I don't hate him) but I do have respect for his ability to take responsibility for his actions. It does take some balls, especially in the malicious world known as Hollywood.

Yes, he admitted it as soon as he sobered up. And his apology has been accepted. But here's some serious backlash:

"Mel Gibson's Sympathy Plea"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206520,00.html

Gatz Nieblas · Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 99 Location: California

The fact that there is a thread on this topic is ridiculous. We complain about the media's response to Mel Gibson, but all of this talk about whether it was blown out of proportion or not is only fueling it. He was drunk. Get over it.

micfranklin · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject:

Gatz Nieblas wrote: The fact that there is a thread on this topic is ridiculous. We complain about the media's response to Mel Gibson, but all of this talk about whether it was blown out of proportion or not is only fueling it. He was drunk. Get over it.

Like I said, the media's job is to make any stupid little thing serious. And also, like I said, never take a drunk seriously.

00timh · Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 13037 Location: upstate NY

Often times celebrities will have a drinking problem and everyone knows about. Eventually they do something totally stupid make a horrible scene, check themselves into rehab and usually the hollywood community will wrap their arms around them and support them. Even though it ismostly bogus.

In Gibson's case however he is out of the loop for two reasons. First, he has been rumored to have anti semetic views, his father has made statements about the holocaust being overblown. Gibson is also a conservative and a Christian. Gibson has never been in the in crowd in Hollywood for those reasons. In order to make the pasion of the Christ he had to go out from the normal studios and production and financed a big portion of the movie... and it made hundreds of millions.

Hollywood will only give him as much of a black eye as they possibly can. Regardless, he will continue to make movies without the support of hollywood. I hope that by hearing himself and seeing the result of his drinking and hatred, he will reform himself. I don't really care either way for his movies but hopefully he will become a better person from this.

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

00timh wrote: Often times celebrities will have a drinking problem and everyone knows about. Eventually they do something totally stupid make a horrible scene, check themselves into rehab and usually the hollywood community will wrap their arms around them and support them. Even though it ismostly bogus.

In Gibson's case however he is out of the loop for two reasons. First, he has been rumored to have anti semetic views, his father has made statements about the holocaust being overblown. Gibson is also a conservative and a Christian. Gibson has never been in the in crowd in Hollywood for those reasons. In order to make the pasion of the Christ he had to go out from the normal studios and production and financed a big portion of the movie... and it made hundreds of millions.

Hollywood will only give him as much of a black eye as they possibly can. Regardless, he will continue to make movies without the support of hollywood. I hope that by hearing himself and seeing the result of his drinking and hatred, he will reform himself. I don't really care either way for his movies but hopefully he will become a better person from this.

Braveheart was the single best movie ever made. He has many great movies, he is a great actor. That being said he has been known to be a nut for a long time, this is nothing more than the Jew's getting to lacerate him, and condemn him. Typical Jewish propoganda.

Lumina · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 18289

I don't really think you can dismiss this as "typical Jewish propaganda."

On the other hand, it's also fair to say that if you've been reared by a bigot (and Gibson's father is at least this, to be overly-generous and not call him a whack-job), somewhere deep in your memories old records are playing.

And liquor puts the quarter in the jukebox.

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

Lumina wrote: I don't really think you can dismiss this as "typical Jewish propaganda."

On the other hand, it's also fair to say that if you've been reared by a bigot (and Gibson's father is at least this, to be overly-generous and not call him a whack-job), somewhere deep in your memories old records are playing.

And liquor puts the quarter in the jukebox.

To my knowledge he only said the Jews were the cause of the wars; which doesn't seem bad to me. It isn't a big deal, you just have the Jews wanting to play victim and censor through PC. Typical Jewish propoganda.

Lumina · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 18289

Silkheat wrote: Lumina wrote: I don't really think you can dismiss this as "typical Jewish propaganda."

On the other hand, it's also fair to say that if you've been reared by a bigot (and Gibson's father is at least this, to be overly-generous and not call him a whack-job), somewhere deep in your memories old records are playing.

And liquor puts the quarter in the jukebox.

To my knowledge he only said the Jews were the cause of the wars; which doesn't seem bad to me. It isn't a big deal, you just have the Jews wanting to play victim and censor through PC. Typical Jewish propoganda.

I guess I just don't see it this way. Gibson did challenge the arresting officer by demanding to know if he was a Jew (which he is).

I do admire a lot of Gibson's work and also his independence. But there's a reason he's CYA'ing right now. He really screwed up. He knows it, and I think we all know it.

What matters is how we individually judge this indiscretion. Gibson "bit the hand that feeds him," and he knows this. But my point, as somebody who has been drunk before, is that everybody's human. As amazingly rich and powerful as Gibson is, he screwed up just like all the rest of us, one way or another, have done.

He's human. He's also apologized, not that this seems to matter, LOL. I would say in Gibson's defense that he said he was sorry as soon as he was sober. I also have to say that I feel terribly sorry for him that he has to face, deservedly, his wife and children, a far worse punishment than any "deals" that Hollywood will refuse him.

I guess it's just that I've been drunk before too.