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Cronus · Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 3 Location: colorado

now Ive only heard of this, but i was wondering along the same line of moving as fast as the speed of light. what if you could move at the speed of time, actually moving at the same speed as time its self. if i could morph from one point in the room to another, at exactly the very same moment, not only would i be literally in two places at once, but wouldn't i be moving at a faster than light speed. but this of course brings up another question. How? is it possible to move through a "worm hole" and perceptively have no time pass for you or other people in the room. i guess that's my question really, do you think that something like this could be possible, or is this sort of thing just theoretical physics

adleberg · Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 164

Cronus wrote: now Ive only heard of this, but i was wondering along the same line of moving as fast as the speed of light. what if you could move at the speed of time, actually moving at the same speed as time its self. if i could morph from one point in the room to another, at exactly the very same moment, not only would i be literally in two places at once, but wouldn't i be moving at a faster than light speed. but this of course brings up another question. How? is it possible to move through a "worm hole" and perceptively have no time pass for you or other people in the room. i guess that's my question really, do you think that something like this could be possible, or is this sort of thing just theoretical physics

What exactly is the speed of time?

I think we are moving at the speed of time... :shifty:

social · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject:

The speed of time? Err... what's that?

TreizeEnder · Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 88

Cronus wrote: now Ive only heard of this, but i was wondering along the same line of moving as fast as the speed of light. what if you could move at the speed of time, actually moving at the same speed as time its self. if i could morph from one point in the room to another, at exactly the very same moment, not only would i be literally in two places at once, but wouldn't i be moving at a faster than light speed. but this of course brings up another question. How? is it possible to move through a "worm hole" and perceptively have no time pass for you or other people in the room. i guess that's my question really, do you think that something like this could be possible, or is this sort of thing just theoretical physics

Time is merely a human tool to better understand the patterns of motion around us and how we move relative to those bodies in motion. For instance, the hand that shows seconds on your wrist watch is moving. It isn't time that you are truly measuring but the intervals of motion; a day is a rotation of the earth; a year is a revolution of the earth around the sun. In other worlds, time does not exist as something in and of itself. Time is not a dimension with its own speed and set of laws, rather it is our perspective of motion. So, to answer your question, I feel that time cannot be altered but our motion's perception can be altered to someone else. A train looks like it's moving when you're not on it, but it looks like everything else outside the train is moving and you are holding still when you're on it. It is my belief that the "speed of time" cannot be avoided in that sense, just the way we see it.

Rilzic · Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Alb, NM, USA

I don't think you or anything else can move faster then light. If you could though then you could move from one side of the room to the other in what seemed like no time. But according to our current laws of physics you can't move faster. Don't ask me why. lol.

As far as humans are concerned i think the only "speed of time" we have IS the speed of light. The closer to the speed of light you get the slower time moves.

Anyway i went to wiki and looked up FTL and some interesting stuff came up .... alot of it didn't have sources but for the most part it looks like what i have seen before. here is a little something from it:

"Contrary to popular belief, Einstein never claimed that it was impossible to go faster than light, it was assumed from his equations. He however has no objections to accepting that spacetime fabric can travel faster than light. It is hypothesized that at the creation of the universe, spacetime fabric travelled faster than light. Therefore, if we could bend spacetime, we could travel faster than light. Miguel Alcubierre theorized that it would be possible to "warp" spacetime by shrinking spacetime in front of you and expanding it behind you. Mitchell Pfenning worked out the math involved and discovered that you could only warp a small amount (1/100th the size of an atom) and the energy required is 10 billion times that of entire universe.[citation needed]"

adleberg · Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 164

Theres a supposedly testable idea in string theory. Its got something to do with moving off the brane of this dimension and rejoining at a point further down, effectively moving forward in 'time'.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7781

I have come to the conclusion that time is measured in units of "ticks" and "tocks".

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

LostSoul3412 wrote: I have come to the conclusion that time is measured in units of "ticks" and "tocks".

Edgar Poe?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7781

Ek0nomik wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: I have come to the conclusion that time is measured in units of "ticks" and "tocks".

Edgar Poe?

Actually, I just made that one up.

Though I must admit I am flattered to be in the company of Edger Allen Poe. 8:)

issaiah1332 · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 465 Location: Wv

I dont know what the speed of time is. But I know that they think it is now possible to travel really close or to even reach the speed of light (I know...I know relativity, but this is said to be possible.) By going just fast enough to warp space-time (not C, just close.) When you warp space-time enough to make it expand behind you it propells you along, making you go faster and faster. Once you reach warp speed you dont need any energy source.

David Kelly · Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 451 Location: Kissimmee, FL

Time, the greatest of paradoxes.
It doesn't exist and yet it's the 4th dimension in which we live (yes, we're 4D not 3D).
Time is 5 years, but moving at 98% the speed of light 5 years is 50,000 years.
It's a vary hard concept to understand if you don't have the mind for it.

sunwook · Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 456

time is a dimension, not something that can have a speed, right?

Towie · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject:

Time certainly is not something that moves. You seem to think of time much to linearly. It is a dimension, a direction in which to move. Also, the rate at which we move in time is relative to the speed we are traveling at. This is special relativity. The rate at which time travels reaches zero when you travel at lightspeed. So, by conventional means and all means currently known, it is physically impossible.

For more information on wormholes, I will quote a post I made on the thread "Is it possible to change the past?"

Towie wrote:
Thank you very much. If I had the time, I would have written something very similar. I hope everyone can now just stop pointing out stupid ideas that were part of the mass stupidity that teh television blabs out to us. People really need to verify facts before they start spitting them out. You are a very informed student of the sciences.

I have a bit more experience in wormholes, so I will fill in that portion. The Schwarzchild wormhole theory, the theory you all quote without citing, clearly states that, though these wormholes may exist, they are infinitely unstable and would fly apart as it formed. ( http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schww.html#instability )

It also states that no traveller could ever move through it, since there is a quantum singularity at it's center. (see directly below above link)

You can read all about the real theory of universe connecting wormholes on said page ( http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schww.html )

Furthermore, the only "traversable" wormholes would need to be manufactured, which is only possible within our universe. ( http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/5803/tra.html )

The "exotic matter" is more commnly known as phantom energy or Cashmir energy at present. ( http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0916_050916_timetravel_2.html ) If you bothered to read that link, you would now be saying that time travel is possible, which it is. The problem is that it can only go forward for us. The "link from past to future" is one way, as you would move forward in time no matter which way you go.

If somehow you managed to enlarge a small scale quantum foam to attempt Prof. Thorne's experiment, there is only one guarentee, and that is that you would find yourself in another point in the universe, at roughly the same time you left, or distanly in the future, depending on speeds. But, you would certainly not find yourself in a time before you left.

The funny part is that Hawking's Chronology Protection Conjecture proves that the universe shall never allow time travel. ( www.hawking.org.uk/lectures/warps3.html )

He leaves the door open for string theory, but the problem is that his CPC was proven by Matt Visser in From Wormholes to Time Machines: Remarks on Hawking's Chronology Protection Conjecture.

This does not rule out relativistic travel, but does rule out changing the past in our universe. And since the Schwarzchild wormholes are impossible to traverse, it is apparent that you can NEVER change the past, nor can you change any past.

Though this points out the impossibility to change the past more than the impossibility of traversing wormholes, it does prove through theoretical physics that it cannot occur.