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[Bull]

Idaho Observer

Quote: Recently released photos reveal wings of aircraft that hit Pentagon


As far as the 9/11 Commission was concerned, American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757, crashed into the Pentagon. The hole was much smaller than a 757 and no 757 parts, parts of passengers or their luggage was recovered to support the official conclusion. Several people within the 9/11 truth movement had advanced two main theories as to what may have crashed into the Pentagon—both of which are more plausible than the government’s 757 theory: The unmanned aircraft named "Global Hawk," or a cruise missile.

And now a third theory surfaces and appears supported by the photographic record: Pictured is a crane at the Pentagon cleanup site hoisting up for all to see two wing sections that reportedly match specification of a small airplane, the A3 Skywarrior. One thing is for certain, these are among the only large pieces of airplane wreckage found at the scene and none of them have been identified as parts of a Boeing 757.

Ground Zero photos prove preplanted thermite charges assured Twin Towers’ collapse

Photos taken after the Twin Towers’ collapse and before the Bush administration could send private contractors in to begin dismantling the crime scene reveal precisely-angled and cleanly-cut columns toward the bases of the buildings that are impossibly inconsistent with the government’s theory that a "spontaneous collapse" occurred as a result from damage sustained to the upper floors.

Theories as to the cause of the collapse that center around spontaneous collapse resulting from damage caused by airplanes do not explain the precise cutting of the buildings’ massive steel support columns.

BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones and others now concur that thermite charges were placed into the buildings prior to 9/11 by persons who had access to the towers in the weeks and months before the attacks.

BYU physics prof finds thermate in WTC physical samples—building collapses were "inside" jobs

Based on chemical analysis of WTC structural steel residue, a Brigham Young University physics professor has identified the material as Thermate. Thermate is the controlled demolition accelerant thermite plus sulfur. Sulfur causes the thermite to burn hotter, cutting steel quickly and leaving trails of yellow colored residue. Jones uses a photo showing streaming molten metal pouring down the side of one of the towers in advance of its collapse.

Prof. Steven Jones, who conducted his Ph.D. research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center and post-doctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility, has analyzed materials from the WTC and has detected the existence of thermate, used for "cutting" the steel support columns.

Dr. Jones is a co-founder of Scholars for 911 Truth.

Dr. Jones in earlier work pointed to thermate as the likely explosive that brought down the WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 skyscrapers. But only recently was physical material analyzed in the lab and the presence of thermate announced. The samples were provided to Dr. Jones team from redundant sources.

Both BYU and Prof. Jones have been offered additional grants if he would "change the direction" of his research. In addition, there have been threats made by an individual who "is taking action" to stop Dr. Jones’ research, specifically his experiment with thermites (aluminothermics), on the grounds his work may be helpful to "terrorists". Jones notes that much more detailed information on both thermite and thermate is readily available on the Internet.

~Jacob Hamblin, Portland Independent Media Center

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341238.shtml

If not Osama, who?

The FBI has admitted to Muckraker Report Editor Paul Sheridan and others that Osama bin Laden has never been charged with crimes associated with 9/11 because there is no evidence upon which an indictment can be obtained. Why, then, did the Bush administration mobilize the U.S. military to war on the nation (Afghanistan) that was allegedly harboring him?

Regardless of the answer to that important question, the FBI’s position on bin Laden with regard to the Sept. 11 attacks creates some very huge problems with the war on terror, namely, "Who masterminded the Twin Towers’ collapse, the collapse of WTC Building 7, the Pentagon crash and the event that occurred near Shanksville, Pennsylvania?

The 9/11 Commission Report based its conclusions on the premise that Osama and his al Qaeda terrorists committed the acts. Since there is no evidence that this is the case, then the investigation should still be open.

This is a picture of an A3 Skywarrior...



This is a military plane, just like the Global Hawk (which is the theory I believed the most, not the cruise missile crap). But according to this article from the Idaho Observer, a picture has been released of torn off wings that are definently not from a Boeing 757. I got this article from 911blogger.com, and the person who posted this information said they emailed the site to see if they can get a copy of the picture since it's not in the web version of the article. If this is true (and I don't see why the Idaho Observer would make something like this up), then this could be a huge gain for the Truth Movement. I'll watch for updates...

[BigOMG]

Question. What is the burning point or melting temperature of steel support beams. I remember in one your other posts explaining how jet fuel didn't burn hot enough to melt the steel. It had been tested to withstand fires of up to a certain temp?
What was that temp?

Even though thermite burns at 2500degress Celsius, in thermate(The military version) has added chemicals that create flames which greatly reduce it's burning temp(800 to 1000 degrees or so.) In these "conclusive" reports did they ever mention what other chemicals were found? The binder for example?
Or the ignitor?

Until these questions have answers these accusations lack much substance. Never mind no one has figured out the amount of force the plane hitting the building did. And what potential structural damage it could have done.

[Patriot911]

It is all a lie to begin with. They can't even get their OWN stories straight. Steven Jones has emphatically stated he has NOT found proof of thermate, just the possibility of it and more investigation is needed.

[BigOMG]

Patriot911 wrote: It is all a lie to begin with. They can't even get their OWN stories straight. Steven Jones has emphatically stated he has NOT found proof of thermate, just the possibility of it and more investigation is needed.

And a funny aspect of that is the test for thermite would be positive it Steel was in a fire or if there was rust.

[Bull]

Patriot911 wrote: It is all a lie to begin with. They can't even get their OWN stories straight. Steven Jones has emphatically stated he has NOT found proof of thermate, just the possibility of it and more investigation is needed.

9/11 Truthers have never been of one mind when it came to the Pentagon, as I'm sure you well know. Most will say they definently don't buy the 757 theory, but as to what exactly DID hit it...has always been something of a debate.

[Patriot911]

hehehehe 9/11 Truthers. Thats a good one. Must be sad to need made up words to describe your "movement".

I was specifically talking about Steven Jones when I was saying you couldn't even keep your own stories straight. Steven Jones is probably the closest thing you have towards credibility and yet the conspiracy crowd still takes what he says and lies about it. That is why the word "truthers" is so funny. You care nothing for the truth even when it is your own people who get run over by the lies.

But as long as you are on the 757 part, it too shows just how blatant the conspiracy crowd is towards ignoring the truth. You are willing to believe ANYTHING other than a 757 hit the Pentagon. Missile. Global Hawk. Military plane. UFO. Haleys Comet. Bigfoot. ANYTHING other than a 757. If it was you setting up this conspiracy and you had the unlimited funds these conspiracy theorists have wouldn't you rather have a 757 crash into the Pentagon than something else that could foil the whole conspiracy? A 757 costs around 80 million dollars. A global hawk costs 48 million. Isn't an additional 32 million dollars a good price for insurance that nobody accidentally snaps a picture of a globalhawk flying into the Pentagon? Are conspiracy theorists smart enough to argue this line of reasoning? Apparently not as it would require a very small concession on their part that one small part of the government story is true.

This is what s*cks when you paint yourself into a conspiracy corner. Your theories become so implausible that you can't go back to the more sane theories without admitting your other theories are just made up BS with no substantiating evidence.