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[Winchester]

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These are a couple of my toys Winchester. The sniper toy is a Dragonov
Love this gun. The other is my bessie.

People who want these will have to take them by force.

Very nice lilwolf, I've not had the pleasure of seeing a Dragonov in person before but have heard about them.

Tell me a little bit more about you bessie the picture is too small. Is it black powder? I know virtually nothing about black powder rifles but I am seriously thinking about getting my son a kit to put together one for Christmas this year. He's really developed an interest in them the last few years after hanging out with the black powder shooters at the annual Bannack days we have over here.

[Winchester]

Thrilla wrote: Winchester wrote: lilwolf wrote: Winchester,
Damn but I wish that were true. If the government had my best interests at heart - OMG I'd think I died and went to heaven or some such place. :-D

Oh I forgot they will always be there to save us from the bad guys. Government is there to protect and love us from craddle to grave. :lol: :lol: :lol:


nice sig bro...Ted is the man!

:lol: Someone posted that quote at a reloading forum I frequent, It even checked out ok at scopes. That's one thing I like about him, straightforward and to the point.

[lilwolf]

Better pictures I hope. Sorry about that small thing. Any way the bessie is a 1777 model. She's basically a shotgun. The effective range is about 60 or so yards and not real accurate after that. Heavy to hold and a bi pod is really needed for help in holding it up.
It's a .78 caliber, and all black powder. My Great grand father used it to shoot british troops. This has been handed down over the years and finally to me.
The Draganov is a great weapon and some time I would hope you get to shoot one. Amazing accuracy.
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[Winchester]

lilwolf wrote: Better pictures I hope. Sorry about that small thing. Any way the bessie is a 1777 model. She's basically a shotgun. The effective range is about 60 or so yards and not real accurate after that. Heavy to hold and a bi pod is really needed for help in holding it up.
It's a .78 caliber, and all black powder. My Great grand father used it to shoot british troops. This has been handed down over the years and finally to me.
The Draganov is a great weapon and some time I would hope you get to shoot one. Amazing accuracy.
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Very nice piece of history and family heirloom you got there lilwolf. I wish some of my families old firearms would've survived and passed down (to me). But alas all those things got sold or some such thing when my great grandmother was left raising a 4 yo, 2yo and infant after my great grandfather's early demise.

[lilwolf]

We got lucky in that many of the old heirlooms were saved and passed down. There are some other ones as well. I'll have to take a few more photos and post a few here soon.
My old rifle is a treasure for me. You said your son (?) was interested in black powder. There are alot of good kits available on the market. Based on his age and size, you might start him off with a 36 caliber and work up after he's gotten the hang of it.
This is a photo of my 18th century flinlock pistol.
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This by the way is my ultimate bad boy. I saved for years to get this and it kicks like a mule. Maybe I can come to Montana and let you shoot this cannon.


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[Winchester]

lilwolf wrote: We got lucky in that many of the old heirlooms were saved and passed down. There are some other ones as well. I'll have to take a few more photos and post a few here soon.
My old rifle is a treasure for me. You said your son (?) was interested in black powder. There are alot of good kits available on the market. Based on his age and size, you might start him off with a 36 caliber and work up after he's gotten the hang of it.
This is a photo of my 18th century flinlock pistol.
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This by the way is my ultimate bad boy. I saved for years to get this and it kicks like a mule. Maybe I can come to Montana and let you shoot this cannon.


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Your welcome to bring that to MT anytime! My neighbor actually picked up a 50 cal. recently, don't know which brand or anything though. Next time I talk to him I'll have to find out next time he's taking it out to the range.

As far as my son, he'll be almost 16 by next christmas and handles his 12ga and .270 very well so I'm thinking he'll be fine with most of the black powder muzzle loaders out there.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Luke, you are peeing on a forest fire with your little cartoon. What about the 50 million people that have been killed in the interest of your gun control issues?
Screw Emerson. Wars or no wars. Giving up your right to protect yourself from a bad guy or a corrupt government is pure idiotic. You might do that LL but not a person that values a gun or his right.
So in the interest of Gun control LL. It was okay to take away guns from 50 million people and kill them?
When you think it is okay to just round up people then you tell me who is next on the list LL. Is it more protestants or more catholics?
Who's next LL?

I don't know about the 50 million people you are on about but I know what happened in New Orleans. Where were you?

Now you are on about protestants and catholics, is there no stopping you to make wild claims after wild claims that make no sense at all?

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[lilwolf]

LL over 50 million people have been killed and murdered in the last century alone and it still goes on all over the world. These people that you seem to know nothing about are the victims of places like Uganda, the former Soviet Union, Cambodia, Germany and many others. Please do not insult your intelligence by saying that was war time. You know darn good and well it was not war time when gun control and gun confiscation was implemented in those nations.
I think things might have turned out different if these 50 million or so had had the chance to defend themselves against tyranny and corrupt governments. Hence, this is part of the reason why no law abiding American will give up their guns or submit to massive draconian gun laws.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: LL over 50 million people have been killed and murdered in the last century alone and it still goes on all over the world. These people that you seem to know nothing about are the victims of places like Uganda, the former Soviet Union, Cambodia, Germany and many others. Please do not insult your intelligence by saying that was war time. You know darn good and well it was not war time when gun control and gun confiscation was implemented in those nations.
I think things might have turned out different if these 50 million or so had had the chance to defend themselves against tyranny and corrupt governments. Hence, this is part of the reason why no law abiding American will give up their guns or submit to massive draconian gun laws.

You are talking about people in other countries in some conflicts and you are making some wild claims that somehow these people died because they were not armed. This does not make any sense at all, you need to be more specific mate.

I was talking about a specific fact that happened in New Orleans, America. Where were you Lilwolf? Helping the NOPD taking guns away from law abiding citizens?

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[lilwolf]

LL you can see my response to the 50 million people aspects in the "In England" thread. That is my answer to you.

NOPD made bad mistakes and they are paying for it. So what is your beef on that. No one got away with anything on it as yet.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: LL you can see my response to the 50 million people aspects in the "In England" thread. That is my answer to you.

NOPD made bad mistakes and they are paying for it. So what is your beef on that. No one got away with anything on it as yet.

But where were you Lilwolf, he was there and still is:

Quote: Despite controversy, Mayor Ray Nagin
remains the champion of New Orleans
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28 May 2006: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin has emerged from Hurricane Katrina one of the best-known political figures in the US, with a higher international profile than most Congressmen and state governors. Remarks made by Nagin months after the disaster, which decimated Louisiana's largest city, have further generated headlines. The Mayor has also infuriated opponents on both sides of the political divide but is also known as a redoubtable champion of the city. He was re-elected mayor on 20 May 2006.
http://www.citymayors.com/mayors/new_orleans_mayor.html
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[lilwolf]

So does his re-election mean that he's immune from prosecution LL?
So what if he's re-elected. The people voted for him there. I certainly would not have.
No one is fully (or has) gotten away with anything as yet LL. As the old expression goes: It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

[airo]

I know of a couple people who open carried in the days after Katrina, in some cases in the direct presence of NOPD officers O.o

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: So does his re-election mean that he's immune from prosecution LL?
So what if he's re-elected. The people voted for him there. I certainly would not have.
No one is fully (or has) gotten away with anything as yet LL. As the old expression goes: It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Sure Lilwolf, the New Orleans mayor is going to get arrested after the massive public outcry from the American gun lovers who filled the streets protesting against such attack on freedom!

All talk and no action.

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[Lucky Luke]

airo wrote: I know of a couple people who open carried in the days after Katrina, in some cases in the direct presence of NOPD officers O.o

Were they shooting at rescue helicopters?

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[perdidochas]

Lucky Luke wrote: airo wrote: I know of a couple people who open carried in the days after Katrina, in some cases in the direct presence of NOPD officers O.o

Were they shooting at rescue helicopters?

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The supposed shooting at rescue helicopters was a media myth.

www.reason.com/0512/co.mw.they.shtml

[Lucky Luke]

perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: airo wrote: I know of a couple people who open carried in the days after Katrina, in some cases in the direct presence of NOPD officers O.o

Were they shooting at rescue helicopters?

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The supposed shooting at rescue helicopters was a media myth.

www.reason.com/0512/co.mw.they.shtml

I know it was, just another pathetic excuse to blame the good people of New Orleans for what happened to them.

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[lilwolf]

LL maybe for now the mayor and police bozo that did the confiscation order thing are or appear to be getting away with it - but fortunately the outcry (not just from gun owners alone either) was enough to get the House of representatives to pass (vote results were 322 to 99)
H.R. bill # 5013.

That's a step in the right direction for keeping the state and federal governments in control and in check.
My bet (pure specualtion) is that when it is all said and done the mayor and police guy will be skinned for what they did. It is my hope anyway that someone pays for it. The dust will not settle on this for a while yet.
Nope, I was not there either but it was illegal at what happened. People did not give up their guns by choice - they were forced to surrender.
This is what people here wanted to avoid - gun confiscation and an out of control government that wants nothing better than to strip Americans of their rights to keep and bear arms.
This is why so many people fight back like we do. You can't understand why it is so important to keep this right.
Some 14 states since 1970 (I think) have have either added the right to bear into their state constitution or are making the existing laws stronger.
I think the latest one was wisconsin in 1998 that by a 74% to 22% added the following to the state constitution.
"The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation and any other lawful purpose."

So it seems that people value the 2nd. It also seems that DC is attempting to change their laws last I heard. perhaps people are begining to wake up here and realize that a government that would impose extreme laws is a dangerous one at that. Hillary and Janet Reno are to prime examples of idiots. But that is my personal opinion on them. It is not a person al attack on you or anyone here in this forum.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: LL maybe for now the mayor and police bozo that did the confiscation order thing are or appear to be getting away with it - but fortunately the outcry (not just from gun owners alone either) was enough to get the House of representatives to pass (vote results were 322 to 99)
H.R. bill # 5013.

That's a step in the right direction for keeping the state and federal governments in control and in check.
My bet (pure specualtion) is that when it is all said and done the mayor and police guy will be skinned for what they did. It is my hope anyway that someone pays for it. The dust will not settle on this for a while yet.
Nope, I was not there either but it was illegal at what happened. People did not give up their guns by choice - they were forced to surrender.
This is what people here wanted to avoid - gun confiscation and an out of control government that wants nothing better than to strip Americans of their rights to keep and bear arms.
This is why so many people fight back like we do. You can't understand why it is so important to keep this right.
Some 14 states since 1970 (I think) have have either added the right to bear into their state constitution or are making the existing laws stronger.
I think the latest one was wisconsin in 1998 that by a 74% to 22% added the following to the state constitution.
"The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation and any other lawful purpose."

So it seems that people value the 2nd. It also seems that DC is attempting to change their laws last I heard. perhaps people are begining to wake up here and realize that a government that would impose extreme laws is a dangerous one at that. Hillary and Janet Reno are to prime examples of idiots. But that is my personal opinion on them. It is not a person al attack on you or anyone here in this forum.

The fat woman has already song, the old mayor of New Orleans is the new mayor of New Orleans.

I was told that such a confiscation in America would never happen and if it did a civil war would start, I was told that what the mayor did was illegal and that he would be found guilty in a court of law for it, I was told that the good people of New Orleans hated their mayor and thought that he was the one responsible for all the problems New Orleans had after Katrina, what are you saying now Lilwolf, who should I listen anymore of what you have to say about what is going to happen in New Orleans?

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[lilwolf]

Because I do not think he is out of hot water yet nor is the police bozo that assisted in carrying out the order. That is why you should listen.
So what if he was re-elected. That does not make him immune from prosecution and the statute of limitations is not over yet (by along shot).

Don't spin it LL. Gun confiscation did not happen legally and you know it.

I do not recall saying that the "good people" of New Orleans hated their mayor. When the final investigation is complete someones butt is going to burn on it because a criminal offense has happened. He's not out of hot water as yet LL. Time will tell. Personally I hope they prosecute him and the police bozo that assisted him. But rest assured someone in charge is going to get prosecuted. :-D :-D