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Plato & Socrates
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iafhq wrote: the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!
A rock vs a tank? err let me guess? Tank crew frightened to death? If these Palestinian teenagers decided to use firearms against the tank crew, then yeah i'll might see your point. But rocks? Get a life mate! |
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thatisnotme
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skinn wrote: programmusic wrote: Ellron wrote:
YEs thats why there are twice the amount of dead Palastinians then Israelis.
what did you expect?
those people don't even have an army, they don't have the minimum requiered to form a country because of the israeli occupation.
Israel no longer occupies Gaza, yet the Palestinians use that opportunity not to build schools, hospitals, roads, A COUNTRY, but to launch more attacks on Israel. Occupation my foot, Palestinians have only ONE goal: the DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL. |
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iafhq
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Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!
A rock vs a tank? err let me guess? Tank crew frightened to death? If these Palestinian teenagers decided to use firearms against the tank crew, then yeah i'll might see your point. But rocks? Get a life mate!
go serve in the Israeli army in the armor batallion and then start talking all this bulls**t |
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FreedomSpeech
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iafhq wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!
A rock vs a tank? err let me guess? Tank crew frightened to death? If these Palestinian teenagers decided to use firearms against the tank crew, then yeah i'll might see your point. But rocks? Get a life mate!
go serve in the Israeli army in the armor batallion and then start talking all this bulls**t
man you know nothing about reality. Israel attacks from the sky, Palesanians don't know where those deadly attacks coming from.
Quote: and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank
Man those teengers are heros, they are 16 yrs and yet they have no fear against strongest army in Middle East. |
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iafhq
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FreedomSpeech wrote: iafhq wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!
A rock vs a tank? err let me guess? Tank crew frightened to death? If these Palestinian teenagers decided to use firearms against the tank crew, then yeah i'll might see your point. But rocks? Get a life mate!
go serve in the Israeli army in the armor batallion and then start talking all this bulls**t
man you know nothing about reality. Israel attacks from the sky, Palesanians don't know where those deadly attacks coming from.
Quote: and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank
Man those teengers are heros, they are 16 yrs and yet they have no fear against strongest army in Middle East.
imagine living in Israel and one of those so called "heros" blowing everyone in the local store next to your house killing your child, are they still going to be considered "heros"? |
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FreedomSpeech
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iafhq wrote: FreedomSpeech wrote: iafhq wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!
A rock vs a tank? err let me guess? Tank crew frightened to death? If these Palestinian teenagers decided to use firearms against the tank crew, then yeah i'll might see your point. But rocks? Get a life mate!
go serve in the Israeli army in the armor batallion and then start talking all this bulls**t
man you know nothing about reality. Israel attacks from the sky, Palesanians don't know where those deadly attacks coming from.
Quote: and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank
Man those teengers are heros, they are 16 yrs and yet they have no fear against strongest army in Middle East.
imagine living in Israel and one of those so called "heros" blowing everyone in the local store next to your house killing your child, are they still going to be considered "heros"?
Imagine living in Ghaza and one of those so called legitimate army killing everyone in the neighbour and the next 4 neighbours by air strikes and helicopters bullets and you don't even know where those bullets are coming from. Man, I don't know why you refuse to realize the fact that Israel commit massacres and kills twice civilians as resistance movements do, Israel never get enough with only "your child", they won't stop until the bloods run over all the street. Hell, just look at news, they just did a new massacre at Qana while I'm typing this post.
If Israel with their accurate advanced weapons is killing dozens of hundreds of civilians, why would the resistance movements who have primitive weapons not do this ? Just do the math and you will find out that those movements have no other choice to reply, otherwise, the palestanian people will be wiped out the map. |
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skinn
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thatisnotme wrote: skinn wrote: programmusic wrote: Ellron wrote:
YEs thats why there are twice the amount of dead Palastinians then Israelis.
what did you expect?
those people don't even have an army, they don't have the minimum requiered to form a country because of the israeli occupation.
Israel no longer occupies Gaza, yet the Palestinians use that opportunity not to build schools, hospitals, roads, A COUNTRY, but to launch more attacks on Israel. Occupation my foot, Palestinians have only ONE goal: the DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL.
the source of the picture is during the occupation.
Anf this act is called resistance. |
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superskippy
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| With a spectator crowd? My guess is this is another Pallywood picture and the gunmen is shooting nothing, also why are we never even shown what is being shot at? Why is there a crowd of people standing up behind the gunmen over the randomly placed embankment while the gunmen are lying down! It's almost definatly a posed picture for the media distribution. |
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mr_happy
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legitimate resistance or not, committing war crimes is not acceptable. Blowing up fast food restaurants is no resistance, it is terrorrism. My grandfather was the head of intelligence in the Filipino resistance against the Japanese occupation. They shot Japanese soldiers, not Japanese women and children eating at cafes.
The Palestinians had a state (more or less) before 2000, Arafat screwed his people over. The simple reason why people hate you, is because the dictator bastards in the ME need someone to blame to keep their own problems out of the news. If you blame the US and Israel, your own massacres don't make the front page. FOR EXAMPLE:
Black September: The Jordanians killed more palestinian civllians in one month than israel has in both intifadas combined.
Iraq: 88,000 Kurds killed by chemical weapons in one attack
Syria: Palestinian refugees prevented from receiving municipal services and access to education. The palestinians care kept as a slave labor class.
Kuwait: Expelled all Palestinians during the Gulf War
Egypt: Refuses to take palestinian refugees
Saudi Arabia: Donates $1 million to the Palestinian Authority (The U.S. donates 500 million. So much for the great satan)
Lebanon: Massive civil war resulting in up to one hundred thousand deaths. Christian and muslim militias responsible for most of the killing. (Israel too but to a smaller extent)
Turkey: Insurgency in the Kurdish regions results in government discrimination against Kurds.
Basically, if the palestinians stop fighting, and use ISrael to boost their own economy, both peoples can be prosperous and powerful in the region. I can't figured out why the palestinians never wanted in on ISrael. Many arabs do, as 15% of Israel's population is arab. |
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iafhq
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FreedomSpeech wrote: iafhq wrote: FreedomSpeech wrote: iafhq wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!
A rock vs a tank? err let me guess? Tank crew frightened to death? If these Palestinian teenagers decided to use firearms against the tank crew, then yeah i'll might see your point. But rocks? Get a life mate!
go serve in the Israeli army in the armor batallion and then start talking all this bulls**t
man you know nothing about reality. Israel attacks from the sky, Palesanians don't know where those deadly attacks coming from.
Quote: and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank
Man those teengers are heros, they are 16 yrs and yet they have no fear against strongest army in Middle East.
imagine living in Israel and one of those so called "heros" blowing everyone in the local store next to your house killing your child, are they still going to be considered "heros"?
Imagine living in Ghaza and one of those so called legitimate army killing everyone in the neighbour and the next 4 neighbours by air strikes and helicopters bullets and you don't even know where those bullets are coming from. Man, I don't know why you refuse to realize the fact that Israel commit massacres and kills twice civilians as resistance movements do, Israel never get enough with only "your child", they won't stop until the bloods run over all the street. Hell, just look at news, they just did a new massacre at Qana while I'm typing this post.
If Israel with their accurate advanced weapons is killing dozens of hundreds of civilians, why would the resistance movements who have primitive weapons not do this ? Just do the math and you will find out that those movements have no other choice to reply, otherwise, the palestanian people will be wiped out the map.
wow You are just too ignorant to understand things, its a waste of my time to even write one more word to you |
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MoscowMatt
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TheKrava wrote:
To be honest with you - sometimes I wish Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt took the country down and destroyed it. It is the only possible way to stop ME violence. Any other possible way is to keep "taking suppressing medicine" and wait for several centuries until Palestinians forget that they lived in Israel.
That's just my vision.
Note: I do not have anything against jews, my grand father is a jew, but I do believe that Israel should not exist. It existed over a thousand years ago. Jews should forget about it and move on. UN made an error by creating Israeli state in ME - it was too long since previous jewish Israel existed.
Quote: sometimes I wish Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt took the country down and destroyed it
:shock: :shock:
Alternatively Israel could just totally destroy Palestine, Iran Syria, Lebanon etc to achieve the same effect!! :roll: :roll:
Quote: UN made an error by creating Israeli state in ME
What on the area where it existed over 1000 years ago as you say?!!!!
I agree they should have put it in Siberia!!!! Oh what about Antarctica, that's empty!! :roll: :roll: :roll: |
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MoscowMatt
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Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!
A rock vs a tank? err let me guess? Tank crew frightened to death? If these Palestinian teenagers decided to use firearms against the tank crew, then yeah i'll might see your point. But rocks? Get a life mate!
They show a willigness to fight, today a rock tomorrow a hand grenade! |
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Plato & Socrates
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MoscowMatt wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!
A rock vs a tank? err let me guess? Tank crew frightened to death? If these Palestinian teenagers decided to use firearms against the tank crew, then yeah i'll might see your point. But rocks? Get a life mate!
They show a willigness to fight, today a rock tomorrow a hand grenade!
:gdgf: MoscowMatt, Where the hell do I start with you? O.K, If this tank was cobbled together by a group of 13-15yr old design tech students in Brixton Academy school, Using corrugated iron and a Vauxhall Corsa engine and a AK47 as a turret. Then you might have a point like iafhq. A rock in the scenario has explained above, would cause serious damage and yes if thrown in the right place could even kill.
But that type of vehicle is'nt what the IDF is supplied with is it? It is a state of the art fully armoured battle tank.
A match if not better than our own British Challenger tank. Now how in Gods name can people argue a case that justifies these tank crews to fire at rock throwers?
OK, I would just concede for argument sake, that I accept a tank crew should fire at a man, shooting a gun at them. As for a rocket propelled grenade (R.P.G), they should'nt even hesitate and let the shell rip. But a rock? FFS, I'll let you fill in the blanks on that one........... :roll: |
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superskippy
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Quote: Now how in Gods name can people argue a case that justifies these tank crews to fire at rock throwers?
Did he say the tank crew fired back? I have never heard of a tank crew opening up machine gun fire on just a few kids with rocks. A mob yes, but not a kid or two with a rock. |
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iafhq
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FreedomSpeech wrote: iafhq wrote: FreedomSpeech wrote: iafhq wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!
A rock vs a tank? err let me guess? Tank crew frightened to death? If these Palestinian teenagers decided to use firearms against the tank crew, then yeah i'll might see your point. But rocks? Get a life mate!
go serve in the Israeli army in the armor batallion and then start talking all this bulls**t
man you know nothing about reality. Israel attacks from the sky, Palesanians don't know where those deadly attacks coming from.
Quote: and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank
Man those teengers are heros, they are 16 yrs and yet they have no fear against strongest army in Middle East.
imagine living in Israel and one of those so called "heros" blowing everyone in the local store next to your house killing your child, are they still going to be considered "heros"?
Imagine living in Ghaza and one of those so called legitimate army killing everyone in the neighbour and the next 4 neighbours by air strikes and helicopters bullets and you don't even know where those bullets are coming from. Man, I don't know why you refuse to realize the fact that Israel commit massacres and kills twice civilians as resistance movements do, Israel never get enough with only "your child", they won't stop until the bloods run over all the street. Hell, just look at news, they just did a new massacre at Qana while I'm typing this post.
If Israel with their accurate advanced weapons is killing dozens of hundreds of civilians, why would the resistance movements who have primitive weapons not do this ? Just do the math and you will find out that those movements have no other choice to reply, otherwise, the palestanian people will be wiped out the map.
Living in Gaza where all your neighbors are hosting terrorists
and if you cant handle the heat, dont play with fire. |
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MoscowMatt
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Plato & Socrates wrote: MoscowMatt wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!
A rock vs a tank? err let me guess? Tank crew frightened to death? If these Palestinian teenagers decided to use firearms against the tank crew, then yeah i'll might see your point. But rocks? Get a life mate!
They show a willigness to fight, today a rock tomorrow a hand grenade!
:gdgf: MoscowMatt, Where the hell do I start with you? O.K, If this tank was cobbled together by a group of 13-15yr old design tech students in Brixton Academy school, Using corrugated iron and a Vauxhall Corsa engine and a AK47 as a turret. Then you might have a point like iafhq. A rock in the scenario has explained above, would cause serious damage and yes if thrown in the right place could even kill.
But that type of vehicle is'nt what the IDF is supplied with is it? It is a state of the art fully armoured battle tank.
A match if not better than our own British Challenger tank. Now how in Gods name can people argue a case that justifies these tank crews to fire at rock throwers?
OK, I would just concede for argument sake, that I accept a tank crew should fire at a man, shooting a gun at them. As for a rocket propelled grenade (R.P.G), they should'nt even hesitate and let the shell rip. But a rock? FFS, I'll let you fill in the blanks on that one........... :roll:
Once again you completely miss the point, but then as it's you I'm not surprised!! :lol:
The point I make is this. The rock throwers obviously hate the Israelis. Today they have a rock in their hand tomorrow it could be a gun grenade, whatever they get their hands on. It's the progression of hate. |
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Nico
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MoscowMatt wrote:
The point I make is this. The rock throwers obviously hate the Israelis. Today they have a rock in their hand tomorrow it could be a gun grenade, whatever they get their hands on. It's the progression of hate.
Firstly; rock throwers are standing in their own streets, not Israeli streets, which means that someone is out of place. If the Israelis are in a tank then they probably weren't invited. It has been shown that circumstances of foreigners in a strange neighbourhood driving armoured vehicles attract rock-throwing kids. ask any squaddie from the British army:
Secondly, shooting a rock throwing kid will make his friends hate you rather than mock you. rock throwing is as much bravado for their buddies as anything else. the only reason one would shoot a kid is to make them fear you, rather than just protect yourself inside said tank. The deliberate installation of fear into a population is called terrorism. |
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FreedomSpeech
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iafhq wrote: wow You are just too ignorant to understand things, its a waste of my time to even write one more word to you
lol, Mr. pathetic has nothing to say :roll: . |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: One question! |
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Tepic wrote: Thread deja-vu... http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55732
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Muslima
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MoscowMatt wrote: What on the area where it existed over 1000 years ago as you say?!!!!
before the 1000 years ago the kanaans lived there, which were arabs....this family still exists in jordan. |
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