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iafhq · Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 15

As an Israeli and a jew, I have one question to all of you that hate me and the rest of israe, that question is "WHY!?!"

Tepic · Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 1494

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skinn · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 426 Location: beirut

iafhq wrote: As an Israeli and a jew, I have one question to all of you that hate me and the rest of israe, that question is "WHY!?!"

I don't hate you, cause i don't know you, it's stupid to hate someone without knowing him.

as for israel, i don't hate israel, but i don't support it and i oppose it because of all what it is doing to me, the destruction, the death, the homeless.

iafhq · Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 15

well look at it this way, what would you do if you were constantly attacked over a period of 20 something years, you would eventually break and the enemy in this case is embed between civilians, but over these 20 something years more Israeli civilians died from attacks of terrorism than the amount of casualties in this current conflict in Lebanon... We are simply tired of being picked on we just want a normal life, living beside arabs side by side peacefully, but all the time we are being attacked by extremists that invent Ideas and feed it to the lowest class people and brainwash them and use them as suicidebombers to attack Israelis.

All we want is peace, it would make our lives alot easier, teenagers have to go to the army instead of go to a university after graduating high school, wasting in a sense 3 years of their lives to help defend Israel.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1747 Location: London

iafhq wrote: well look at it this way, what would you do if you were constantly attacked over a period of 20 something years, you would eventually break and the enemy in this case is embed between civilians, but over these 20 something years more Israeli civilians died from attacks of terrorism than the amount of casualties in this current conflict in Lebanon... We are simply tired of being picked on we just want a normal life, living beside arabs side by side peacefully, but all the time we are being attacked by extremists that invent Ideas and feed it to the lowest class people and brainwash them and use them as suicidebombers to attack Israelis.

All we want is peace, it would make our lives alot easier, teenagers have to go to the army instead of go to a university after graduating high school, wasting in a sense 3 years of their lives to help defend Israel.

You talk as if Israel is innocent. Tell me please, if you believe Israel is guilty of any bad deeds in that region?

iafhq · Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 15

Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: well look at it this way, what would you do if you were constantly attacked over a period of 20 something years, you would eventually break and the enemy in this case is embed between civilians, but over these 20 something years more Israeli civilians died from attacks of terrorism than the amount of casualties in this current conflict in Lebanon... We are simply tired of being picked on we just want a normal life, living beside arabs side by side peacefully, but all the time we are being attacked by extremists that invent Ideas and feed it to the lowest class people and brainwash them and use them as suicidebombers to attack Israelis.

All we want is peace, it would make our lives alot easier, teenagers have to go to the army instead of go to a university after graduating high school, wasting in a sense 3 years of their lives to help defend Israel.

You talk as if Israel is innocent. Tell me please, if you believe Israel is guilty of any bad deeds in that region?

well im not saying Israel is totally innocent there have been cases where soldiers fired upon and killed civilians but they have been trialed and sent to a life sentence as if they killed a fellow Israeli. and yes I condemn their actions, but compared to the amount of destruction and murder the Terorrists have caused Israel, its like comparing an atom to Jupiter!

Quicksurf · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 4675

iafhq wrote: As an Israeli and a jew, I have one question to all of you that hate me and the rest of israe, that question is "WHY!?!"

They don't hate you. They are jealous of you.

The jews have taken a desert and turned it into an oasis. They are the perfect role model of progressive democracy in the middle east.

FreedomSpeech · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 80

iafhq wrote: well look at it this way, what would you do if you were constantly attacked over a period of 20 something years, you would eventually break and the enemy in this case is embed between civilians, but over these 20 something years more Israeli civilians died from attacks of terrorism than the amount of casualties in this current conflict in Lebanon... We are simply tired of being picked on we just want a normal life, living beside arabs side by side peacefully, but all the time we are being attacked by extremists that invent Ideas and feed it to the lowest class people and brainwash them and use them as suicidebombers to attack Israelis.

All we want is peace, it would make our lives alot easier, teenagers have to go to the army instead of go to a university after graduating high school, wasting in a sense 3 years of their lives to help defend Israel.
The Israeli media has definitely succeeded in changing the whole picture.

iafhq · Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 15

TheKrava · Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 564 Location: Minneapolis, MN

Israel does not belong in ME.
It was artificially created by the UN.
Palestinians were pritty much kicked out of their land.

Israel is just like an organ transplant in your body - you body will keep rejecting it. To force the body to accept that organ you are taking medicine to suppress rejection.
This is exactly what is going on with Israel. As long of West supports Israel it will exist. If Israel loses Western support sooner or later arabs will destroy Israel.

To be honest with you - sometimes I wish Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt took the country down and destroyed it. It is the only possible way to stop ME violence. Any other possible way is to keep "taking suppressing medicine" and wait for several centuries until Palestinians forget that they lived in Israel.

That's just my vision.

Note: I do not have anything against jews, my grand father is a jew, but I do believe that Israel should not exist. It existed over a thousand years ago. Jews should forget about it and move on. UN made an error by creating Israeli state in ME - it was too long since previous jewish Israel existed.

FreedomSpeech · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 80

Thanks to the media, You guys think that your government is the victim here. Those guys who you call terrorists are heros in their country, they are defending their home with very primitive weapons. The media pictures the IDF as heros in Israel, you guys don't know that the IDF has killed MUCH MUCH more civilians in Gaza alone than Hamas has killed in all Israel. IDF uses clustered bombs to target only 1 guy.

Quote: well im not saying Israel is totally innocent there have been cases where soldiers fired upon and killed civilians but they have been trialed and sent to a life sentence as if they killed a fellow Israeli. and yes I condemn their actions, but compared to the amount of destruction and murder the Terorrists have caused Israel, its like comparing an atom to Jupiter!
Destruction the terrorists have caused in Israel? Man, Israel uses airstrikes to accomplish its tasks, Israel gives no s**t about infrastructure and cilvlians lives. I bet they didn't show these pictures on the israeli television:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/middle_east_beirut_destruction/html/10.stm

This what Israel did and doing in Lebanon in 3 weeks only, can you imagine what they are doing in Gaza since years? There is no electricity, all power plants are damaged, government buildings are attacked, civilian buildings are also attacked.

TheKrava · Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 564 Location: Minneapolis, MN

Also, in the 60's Israel made an error - it kicked out native population. These people do not have where to go. Some of them still live in camps (like in Lebanon). These people do not have homes and they do not belong in host countries.
What would be the right thing to do?
I do not know for sure, but I think the U.S. example is the best - even though colonists pretty much exterminated natives, the remaining people now have many benefits. Government encourages these people to go to school, get education, and live normal lives. These people are also perfectly free to travel and do whatever they please. They can form political parties and participate in government policies.

Israel should not have kicked out native population. May be it should have emposed dictatorship and allow palestinians to live by without having to live the country.

At least that's my two cents.

iafhq · Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 15

FreedomSpeech wrote: Thanks to the media, You guys think that your government is the victim here. Those guys who you call terrorists are heros in their country, they are defending their home with very primitive weapons. The media pictures the IDF as heros in Israel, you guys don't know that the IDF has killed MUCH MUCH more civilians in Gaza alone than Hamas has killed in all Israel. IDF uses clustered bombs to target only 1 guy.

Quote: well im not saying Israel is totally innocent there have been cases where soldiers fired upon and killed civilians but they have been trialed and sent to a life sentence as if they killed a fellow Israeli. and yes I condemn their actions, but compared to the amount of destruction and murder the Terorrists have caused Israel, its like comparing an atom to Jupiter!
Destruction the terrorists have caused in Israel? Man, Israel uses airstrikes to accomplish its tasks, Israel gives no s**t about infrastructure and cilvlians lives. I bet they didn't show these pictures on the israeli television:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/middle_east_beirut_destruction/html/10.stm

This what Israel did and doing in Lebanon in 3 weeks only, can you imagine what they are doing in Gaza since years? There is no electricity, all power plants are damaged, government buildings are attacked, civilian buildings are also attacked.

Haha protecting their country, how by starting a war?! wow think before posting!

iafhq · Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 15

and also dont bring pictures here because I got plenty that would make your heart melt of the terror these Extremists bring to Israel 10* worse than the ones in news today

Ellron · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 2258 Location: NY upstate

iafhq wrote:

well im not saying Israel is totally innocent there have been cases where soldiers fired upon and killed civilians but they have been trialed and sent to a life sentence as if they killed a fellow Israeli. and yes I condemn their actions, but compared to the amount of destruction and murder the Terorrists have caused Israel, its like comparing an atom to Jupiter!

YEs thats why there are twice the amount of dead Palastinians then Israelis.

Israel has made way more destruction then the terrorist and thats a fact.

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1213

Ellron wrote:

YEs thats why there are twice the amount of dead Palastinians then Israelis.

skinn · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 426 Location: beirut

programmusic wrote: Ellron wrote:

YEs thats why there are twice the amount of dead Palastinians then Israelis.

what did you expect?
those people don't even have an army, they don't have the minimum requiered to form a country because of the israeli occupation.

Plus, where was that pictue taken?
isn't it in westbank/ Ghaza?

than what is israelis doing there, it's the right of the palestinians to defend themselves.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8422 Location: Petah Tikva

Ellron wrote: iafhq wrote:

well im not saying Israel is totally innocent there have been cases where soldiers fired upon and killed civilians but they have been trialed and sent to a life sentence as if they killed a fellow Israeli. and yes I condemn their actions, but compared to the amount of destruction and murder the Terorrists have caused Israel, its like comparing an atom to Jupiter!

YEs thats why there are twice the amount of dead Palastinians then Israelis.

Israel has made way more destruction then the terrorist and thats a fact.

A body count is no indication of who is just. In that respect you would have to conclude the Japan was the moral superior due to their marked higher losses.

Plato & Socrates · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 1747 Location: London

iafhq wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: iafhq wrote: well look at it this way, what would you do if you were constantly attacked over a period of 20 something years, you would eventually break and the enemy in this case is embed between civilians, but over these 20 something years more Israeli civilians died from attacks of terrorism than the amount of casualties in this current conflict in Lebanon... We are simply tired of being picked on we just want a normal life, living beside arabs side by side peacefully, but all the time we are being attacked by extremists that invent Ideas and feed it to the lowest class people and brainwash them and use them as suicidebombers to attack Israelis.

All we want is peace, it would make our lives alot easier, teenagers have to go to the army instead of go to a university after graduating high school, wasting in a sense 3 years of their lives to help defend Israel.

You talk as if Israel is innocent. Tell me please, if you believe Israel is guilty of any bad deeds in that region?

well im not saying Israel is totally innocent there have been cases where soldiers fired upon and killed civilians but they have been trialed and sent to a life sentence as if they killed a fellow Israeli. and yes I condemn their actions, but compared to the amount of destruction and murder the Terorrists have caused Israel, its like comparing an atom to Jupiter!

Your quote is whats symptomatic about the Jewish understanding of Palestinian lives. Forget about the realities of Israeli Arab citizens being unable to buy land in the majority of Israel proper. But these guys are denied building permits on a regular basis to build houses in the West f**king Bank, as for Jerusalem, dont even ask. That's just one example of 100+, of the way Israel enacts laws and operates in practice, that make Palestinian lives a living hell.
"Oh go on then, just tell me its a bit of discrimination that's all" :roll:

iafhq · Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 15

the fact is I was learning in school with 2 palestinian teenagers 15 and 16 years of age, and all they did was brag about how they woke up every morning at 6:00am to go out and throw rocks at an Israeli tank, and you expect no casualties, im sorry to say but most of the people that get killed over there by israel have no common sense!