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[thatisnotme]

New evidence suggested that Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'.

>>The words of a Canadian United Nations observer written just days before he was killed in an Israeli bombing of a UN post in Lebanon are evidence Hezbollah was using the post as a "shield" to fire rockets into Israel, says a former UN commander in Bosnia.

Those words, written in an e-mail dated just nine days ago, offer a possible explanation as to why the post -- which according to UN officials was clearly marked and known to Israeli forces -- was hit by Israel on Tuesday night, said retired Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie yesterday.<<

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50

[nrhy]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

this is the biggest bs I´ve seen. Canada has got a credible news agency?!

thatisnotme, if there was anything concerning the UN deaths, it would be first posted on CNN, BBC or jerusalemp (since the IDF is conducting an investigation over the issue; but then again, Jp can be just as made up as the canadian times)

[SpartanPhalanx]

nrhy wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

this is the biggest bs I´ve seen. Canada has got a credible news agency?!

thatisnotme, if there was anything concerning the UN deaths, it would be first posted on CNN, BBC or jerusalemp (since the IDF is conducting an investigation over the issue; but then again, Jp can be just as made up as the canadian times)


Just ignore it ... Israel will stoop as low as it can to deflect blame from itself...it is well known now what happened. Israel murders innocents and STILL tries to blame others....shameless, utterly shameless.

[Nico]

Even if Hezbollah used proximity to a UN compound as a shield, there are two considerations:

#1 why did Israel hit the compound directly with a precision weapon, even after they had 6 hours of communications with the occupants?

#2 Why didn't Israel give them an evacuation warning instead of saying the firing would cease, and allow them to vacate the base?

[mr_happy]

what munition was used to hit the compound? that would tell us whether it was precision or not

[Nico]

mr_happy wrote: what munition was used to hit the compound? that would tell us whether it was precision or not

The BBC last night described the event as continuous shelling, followed by the dropping of a precision weapon, but didn't say what [although i doubt anything but an Israeli press release or a forensic investigation would say exactly]. I am trying to find the article but it's buried in the BBC jungle today.

What is beyond speculation, is that there were continuous communications between the UN and Israel for all that time.

[thatisnotme]

The Canadian who died in that attack had already sent emails days before his death that Hezbollash was using the UN outpost as a shield. Why would he lie? Why didn't Annan remove the output since there was no peace to observe anyway? Annan is only trying to deflect from his own incompetence.

[SaladFingers]

Is there any evidence yet to show if Hezbollah fighers took over the compound to use it as a bunker against Israeli forces?

If there was communications established with the people inside the compound, it wouldnt make sense they would begin shelling it. It would make sense however, if Hezbollah fighters infiltrated the compound, and began using it as a base of operations.

Just the media not taking the time to explain that much info to you, or its private information currently being kept secret by the IDF.

Either way.. its funny to see people observe the recent tragedies in Lebannon and suddenly begin caring. Before that point, scores of Jews were dying every week for years. So no one could spare a tear for the dead Jews then, but they can for the dead arabs now who were killed in the area of Hezbollah HQ, of whom supported the rocket attacks against Israel?

[SpartanPhalanx]

thatisnotme wrote: The Canadian who died in that attack had already sent emails days before his death that Hezbollash was using the UN outpost as a shield. Why would he lie? Why didn't Annan remove the output since there was no peace to observe anyway? Annan is only trying to deflect from his own incompetence.


Fisrtly, The UN position was an observer post, not a peace-keeping mission. Hezbollah may have been in the area prior to the day the UN post was destroyed, but on that day there were NO Hezbollah guerillas in the vicinity. The UN commander there was in constant contact with the Israeli artillery batteries and was told repeatedly the shelling would stop. It never did and the un post was finished off with a laser guided bomb.

For arguments sake, if there WERE Hezbollah guerrillas in the area, why did the Israelis not advise the UN soldiers to vacate their positions prior to bombing it??

Annan is highly competent, however we all know how the United States has hi-jacked the ethos of the UN in many ways, one of them being the constant veto against Israel along with "pressure" exerted on less powerful nations.

[thatisnotme]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: The Canadian who died in that attack had already sent emails days before his death that Hezbollash was using the UN outpost as a shield. Why would he lie? Why didn't Annan remove the output since there was no peace to observe anyway? Annan is only trying to deflect from his own incompetence.


Fisrtly, The UN position was an observer post, not a peace-keeping mission. Hezbollah may have been in the area prior to the day the UN post was destroyed, but on that day there were NO Hezbollah guerillas in the vicinity. The UN commander there was in constant contact with the Israeli artillery batteries and was told repeatedly the shelling would stop. It never did and the un post was finished off with a laser guided bomb.

For arguments sake, if there WERE Hezbollah guerrillas in the area, why did the Israelis not advise the UN soldiers to vacate their positions prior to bombing it??

Annan is highly competent, however we all know how the United States has hi-jacked the ethos of the UN in many ways, one of them being the constant veto against Israel along with "pressure" exerted on less powerful nations.

So according to you, Israel bombed the UN post just for the sake of it. If you want to believe in that nonsense, go ahead, be my guess. Yet, the Canadian had alerted his family and his superiors that Hezbollah was using the post as a shield. So he must have been delusional, even though a few days afterward his emails were sent, he was killed. Yep, believe what you want. Discussion over.

[lucidnightmare]

I heard this the other day.I believe it,considering the pieces of s**t cowards hezbolla are,I guess they ran out of children to hide behind.

The Un has done nothing useful there,they should just leave .

[nrhy]

lucidnightmare wrote: I heard this the other day.I believe it,considering the pieces of s**t cowards hezbolla are,I guess they ran out of children to hide behind.

The Un has done nothing useful there,they should just leave .

hizbullah doesn´t hide behind children. 7/8 of southern lebanon´s population have fled to neighbhouring countries or to other districts in lebanon. They don´t have any cover other than the emptied out homes.

UN has arranged all the ceasefires between hizbullah and israel.

[SpartanPhalanx]

thatisnotme wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: The Canadian who died in that attack had already sent emails days before his death that Hezbollash was using the UN outpost as a shield. Why would he lie? Why didn't Annan remove the output since there was no peace to observe anyway? Annan is only trying to deflect from his own incompetence.


Fisrtly, The UN position was an observer post, not a peace-keeping mission. Hezbollah may have been in the area prior to the day the UN post was destroyed, but on that day there were NO Hezbollah guerillas in the vicinity. The UN commander there was in constant contact with the Israeli artillery batteries and was told repeatedly the shelling would stop. It never did and the un post was finished off with a laser guided bomb.

For arguments sake, if there WERE Hezbollah guerrillas in the area, why did the Israelis not advise the UN soldiers to vacate their positions prior to bombing it??

Annan is highly competent, however we all know how the United States has hi-jacked the ethos of the UN in many ways, one of them being the constant veto against Israel along with "pressure" exerted on less powerful nations.

So according to you, Israel bombed the UN post just for the sake of it. If you want to believe in that nonsense, go ahead, be my guess. Yet, the Canadian had alerted his family and his superiors that Hezbollah was using the post as a shield. So he must have been delusional, even though a few days afterward his emails were sent, he was killed. Yep, believe what you want. Discussion over.

Israel never does anything "for the sake of it", Israel has its interests, one some of which may be to scare the UN out of the place. Today's news further validates my assumption. The UN today said it is evacuating some observer positions in southern Lebanon. Israel would like to prosecute the war with the same brutality it dished out back in 1982 when almost 20.000 men, women and children were killed by Israel.

Todays developments by the UN, if carried out will mean Israel will be beyond the scrutiny and criticism of INDEPENDENT observers about how it conducts itself in the theatre of war.

War crimes are VERY difficult to prosecute without hard independent evidence. Israel is famous for violating conventions designed for the protection of innocent life. If Israel can avoid hard evidence, nobody can prove anything.

The destruction of the UN post and the deaths of the four observers is part of Israel's mission to oust the UN slowly, and, in my opinion, successfully...with American backing.

Below is a link detailing the removal of the UN observers....mission accomplished.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/07/28/removal-posts.html

[thatisnotme]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: The Canadian who died in that attack had already sent emails days before his death that Hezbollash was using the UN outpost as a shield. Why would he lie? Why didn't Annan remove the output since there was no peace to observe anyway? Annan is only trying to deflect from his own incompetence.


Fisrtly, The UN position was an observer post, not a peace-keeping mission. Hezbollah may have been in the area prior to the day the UN post was destroyed, but on that day there were NO Hezbollah guerillas in the vicinity. The UN commander there was in constant contact with the Israeli artillery batteries and was told repeatedly the shelling would stop. It never did and the un post was finished off with a laser guided bomb.

For arguments sake, if there WERE Hezbollah guerrillas in the area, why did the Israelis not advise the UN soldiers to vacate their positions prior to bombing it??

Annan is highly competent, however we all know how the United States has hi-jacked the ethos of the UN in many ways, one of them being the constant veto against Israel along with "pressure" exerted on less powerful nations.

So according to you, Israel bombed the UN post just for the sake of it. If you want to believe in that nonsense, go ahead, be my guess. Yet, the Canadian had alerted his family and his superiors that Hezbollah was using the post as a shield. So he must have been delusional, even though a few days afterward his emails were sent, he was killed. Yep, believe what you want. Discussion over.

Israel never does anything "for the sake of it", Israel has its interests, one some of which may be to scare the UN out of the place. Today's news further validates my assumption. The UN today said it is evacuating some observer positions in southern Lebanon. Israel would like to prosecute the war with the same brutality it dished out back in 1982 when almost 20.000 men, women and children were killed by Israel.

Todays developments by the UN, if carried out will mean Israel will be beyone the scrutiny and criticism of INDEPENDENT observers about how it conducts itself in the theatre of war.

War crimes are VERY difficult to prosecute without hard independent evidence. Israel is famous for violating conventions designed for the protection of innocent life. If Israel can avoid hard evidence, nobody can prove anything.

The destruction of the UN post and the deaths of the four observers is part of Israel's mission to oust the UN slowly, and, in my opinion, successfullyl...with American backing.

The UN has been totally impotent in disarming Hezbollah, which in the last six years stockpiled rockets to the tune of thousands, violating UN resolution 1559. Where was your outrage??? And your post still doesn't answer the fact that the Canadian observer was warning everyone around him through emails that Hezbollah was using the UN post as a shield. He didn't know what was going to happen, except that his life was in danger. This turned out to be sadly true in his case.

[nrhy]

Un´s job is not to disarm hizbullah. They were deployed way before hizbullah even existed buddy. They are there to assure peace reigns among the southern lebanese and the Israelis. Which they have done by arranging cease-fires between hizbullah and the IDF.

[SpartanPhalanx]

thatisnotme wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: The Canadian who died in that attack had already sent emails days before his death that Hezbollash was using the UN outpost as a shield. Why would he lie? Why didn't Annan remove the output since there was no peace to observe anyway? Annan is only trying to deflect from his own incompetence.


Fisrtly, The UN position was an observer post, not a peace-keeping mission. Hezbollah may have been in the area prior to the day the UN post was destroyed, but on that day there were NO Hezbollah guerillas in the vicinity. The UN commander there was in constant contact with the Israeli artillery batteries and was told repeatedly the shelling would stop. It never did and the un post was finished off with a laser guided bomb.

For arguments sake, if there WERE Hezbollah guerrillas in the area, why did the Israelis not advise the UN soldiers to vacate their positions prior to bombing it??

Annan is highly competent, however we all know how the United States has hi-jacked the ethos of the UN in many ways, one of them being the constant veto against Israel along with "pressure" exerted on less powerful nations.

So according to you, Israel bombed the UN post just for the sake of it. If you want to believe in that nonsense, go ahead, be my guess. Yet, the Canadian had alerted his family and his superiors that Hezbollah was using the post as a shield. So he must have been delusional, even though a few days afterward his emails were sent, he was killed. Yep, believe what you want. Discussion over.

Israel never does anything "for the sake of it", Israel has its interests, one some of which may be to scare the UN out of the place. Today's news further validates my assumption. The UN today said it is evacuating some observer positions in southern Lebanon. Israel would like to prosecute the war with the same brutality it dished out back in 1982 when almost 20.000 men, women and children were killed by Israel.

Todays developments by the UN, if carried out will mean Israel will be beyone the scrutiny and criticism of INDEPENDENT observers about how it conducts itself in the theatre of war.

War crimes are VERY difficult to prosecute without hard independent evidence. Israel is famous for violating conventions designed for the protection of innocent life. If Israel can avoid hard evidence, nobody can prove anything.

The destruction of the UN post and the deaths of the four observers is part of Israel's mission to oust the UN slowly, and, in my opinion, successfullyl...with American backing.

The UN has been totally impotent in disarming Hezbollah, which in the last six years stockpiled rockets to the tune of thousands, violating UN resolution 1559. Where was your outrage??? And your post still doesn't answer the fact that the Canadian observer was warning everyone around him through emails that Hezbollah was using the UN post as a shield. He didn't know what was going to happen, except that his life was in danger. This turned out to be sadly true in his case.

Don't change the subject by evading the essence of my post. Israel DELIBERATELY bombed the position to accomplish its goal of having fee reign to prosecute its war....FREE from independent scrutiny. Todays announcement by the UN to vacate UN observer positions in S.Lebanon proves my point.

Discussion over.

[thatisnotme]

nrhy wrote: Un´s job is not to disarm hizbullah. They were deployed way before hizbullah even existed buddy. They are there to assure peace reigns among the southern lebanese and the Israelis. Which they have done by arranging cease-fires between hizbullah and the IDF.

Granted that the responsibility fell mainly on the Lebanese goverment to disarm Hezbollah -- which evidently never happened -- but the UN activities were also centred around monitoring military activity between Hezbollah and the IDF with the aim of reducing tensions and allaying continuing low-level armed conflict. Apparently, that also was never done.

[thatisnotme]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: The Canadian who died in that attack had already sent emails days before his death that Hezbollash was using the UN outpost as a shield. Why would he lie? Why didn't Annan remove the output since there was no peace to observe anyway? Annan is only trying to deflect from his own incompetence.


Fisrtly, The UN position was an observer post, not a peace-keeping mission. Hezbollah may have been in the area prior to the day the UN post was destroyed, but on that day there were NO Hezbollah guerillas in the vicinity. The UN commander there was in constant contact with the Israeli artillery batteries and was told repeatedly the shelling would stop. It never did and the un post was finished off with a laser guided bomb.

For arguments sake, if there WERE Hezbollah guerrillas in the area, why did the Israelis not advise the UN soldiers to vacate their positions prior to bombing it??

Annan is highly competent, however we all know how the United States has hi-jacked the ethos of the UN in many ways, one of them being the constant veto against Israel along with "pressure" exerted on less powerful nations.

So according to you, Israel bombed the UN post just for the sake of it. If you want to believe in that nonsense, go ahead, be my guess. Yet, the Canadian had alerted his family and his superiors that Hezbollah was using the post as a shield. So he must have been delusional, even though a few days afterward his emails were sent, he was killed. Yep, believe what you want. Discussion over.

Israel never does anything "for the sake of it", Israel has its interests, one some of which may be to scare the UN out of the place. Today's news further validates my assumption. The UN today said it is evacuating some observer positions in southern Lebanon. Israel would like to prosecute the war with the same brutality it dished out back in 1982 when almost 20.000 men, women and children were killed by Israel.

Todays developments by the UN, if carried out will mean Israel will be beyone the scrutiny and criticism of INDEPENDENT observers about how it conducts itself in the theatre of war.

War crimes are VERY difficult to prosecute without hard independent evidence. Israel is famous for violating conventions designed for the protection of innocent life. If Israel can avoid hard evidence, nobody can prove anything.

The destruction of the UN post and the deaths of the four observers is part of Israel's mission to oust the UN slowly, and, in my opinion, successfullyl...with American backing.

The UN has been totally impotent in disarming Hezbollah, which in the last six years stockpiled rockets to the tune of thousands, violating UN resolution 1559. Where was your outrage??? And your post still doesn't answer the fact that the Canadian observer was warning everyone around him through emails that Hezbollah was using the UN post as a shield. He didn't know what was going to happen, except that his life was in danger. This turned out to be sadly true in his case.

Don't change the subject by evading the essence of my post. Israel DELIBERATELY bombed the position to accomplish its goal of having fee reign to prosecute its war....FREE from independent scrutiny. Todays announcement by the UN to vacate UN observer positions in S.Lebanon proves my point.

Discussion over.

This is MY thread, and I'll decide when discussions are over. And your insults will not escape the ADMIN.

To answer your post. That Israel DELIBERATELY bombed the position to accomplish its goal of having fee reign to prosecute its war was never proven by you or anybody else. That is your opinion, and nothing else.

You should start reading with UN resolution 181. It was passed in 1947. It called for two states: one for the Jews, who accepted it; and one for the Arabs, which was rejected and is still rejected by the vast majority of Palestinians. Think if they had accepted it in 1948 like the Jews. Today, you would have two states living side by side in peace, not to mention all the senseless killing for the last 60 years that would have been avoided. The Arabs have no one but themselves to blame for what is happening in the ME.

[SpartanPhalanx]

thatisnotme wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: thatisnotme wrote: The Canadian who died in that attack had already sent emails days before his death that Hezbollash was using the UN outpost as a shield. Why would he lie? Why didn't Annan remove the output since there was no peace to observe anyway? Annan is only trying to deflect from his own incompetence.


Fisrtly, The UN position was an observer post, not a peace-keeping mission. Hezbollah may have been in the area prior to the day the UN post was destroyed, but on that day there were NO Hezbollah guerillas in the vicinity. The UN commander there was in constant contact with the Israeli artillery batteries and was told repeatedly the shelling would stop. It never did and the un post was finished off with a laser guided bomb.

For arguments sake, if there WERE Hezbollah guerrillas in the area, why did the Israelis not advise the UN soldiers to vacate their positions prior to bombing it??

Annan is highly competent, however we all know how the United States has hi-jacked the ethos of the UN in many ways, one of them being the constant veto against Israel along with "pressure" exerted on less powerful nations.

So according to you, Israel bombed the UN post just for the sake of it. If you want to believe in that nonsense, go ahead, be my guess. Yet, the Canadian had alerted his family and his superiors that Hezbollah was using the post as a shield. So he must have been delusional, even though a few days afterward his emails were sent, he was killed. Yep, believe what you want. Discussion over.

Israel never does anything "for the sake of it", Israel has its interests, one some of which may be to scare the UN out of the place. Today's news further validates my assumption. The UN today said it is evacuating some observer positions in southern Lebanon. Israel would like to prosecute the war with the same brutality it dished out back in 1982 when almost 20.000 men, women and children were killed by Israel.

Todays developments by the UN, if carried out will mean Israel will be beyone the scrutiny and criticism of INDEPENDENT observers about how it conducts itself in the theatre of war.

War crimes are VERY difficult to prosecute without hard independent evidence. Israel is famous for violating conventions designed for the protection of innocent life. If Israel can avoid hard evidence, nobody can prove anything.

The destruction of the UN post and the deaths of the four observers is part of Israel's mission to oust the UN slowly, and, in my opinion, successfullyl...with American backing.

The UN has been totally impotent in disarming Hezbollah, which in the last six years stockpiled rockets to the tune of thousands, violating UN resolution 1559. Where was your outrage??? And your post still doesn't answer the fact that the Canadian observer was warning everyone around him through emails that Hezbollah was using the UN post as a shield. He didn't know what was going to happen, except that his life was in danger. This turned out to be sadly true in his case.

Don't change the subject by evading the essence of my post. Israel DELIBERATELY bombed the position to accomplish its goal of having fee reign to prosecute its war....FREE from independent scrutiny. Todays announcement by the UN to vacate UN observer positions in S.Lebanon proves my point.

Discussion over.

This is MY thread, and I'll decide when discussions are over. And your insults will not escape the ADMIN.

To answer your post. That Israel DELIBERATELY bombed the position to accomplish its goal of having fee reign to prosecute its war was never proven by you or anybody else. That is your opinion, and nothing else.

You should start reading with UN resolution 181. It was passed in 1947. It called for two states: one for the Jews, who accepted it; and one for the Arabs, which was rejected and is still rejected by the vast majority of Palestinians. Think if they had accepted it in 1948 like the Jews. Today, you would have two states living side by side in peace, not to mention all the senseless killing for the last 60 years that would have been avoided. The Arabs have no one but themselves to blame for what is happening in the ME.

Kindly show me where I insulted you....

As far as Un resolution 181 goes, I said it before, I'll say it again, the Palestinian people were never consulted over that resolution, they had it rammed down their throats starting in 1947 when it was tabled and the Americans enforced it to the letter because of the West"s collective guilt over the Holocaust. It was a non-binding resolution which the Palestinians declined. The Jewish people needed a homeland and the Palestinian people were the goat, whether they agreed or not. There was NO negotiation, NO diplomacy with them.

That's why the mess that was created back then is still haunting the region almost 60 years later.

Ain"t hard to see......really.........unless your name is Duchifas that is.....

[moody]

Everyone is asking: "why would Israel in their right mind attack UN post" but nobody is asking: "why would UN in their right mind let Hezbollah use their post as a shield"