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[topnut]

please watch this video and find out who the real terrorists are

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696

[The Comrade]

doesn't this require an opinion?

[cap'n queasy]

The West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Egypt and Jordan in the 1948 war. They were originally part of Israel when the British Mandate originally divided the land between Israel and Trans-Jordan.

The 1967 war was a case of getting these areas back as the fortunes of war when the Arab league attempted a second invasion in 1967.

They should have left well enough alone, Israel was willing to give up the areas as a concession to peace, but the Palestinians kept attacking them so much they had to do something to secure themselves. And as Egypt and Jordan have both given up their claims to the West Bank and Gaza the Palestinian claim really has no merit or legal credibility. Look what happened when Israel gave them Gaza. Within in a week they were attacking Israel from the area.

The Palestinians have brought this all on themselves.

[The Comrade]

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/israelterrorism10050.html


this argument can go both ways.

[topnut]

The UN has been under the impression since 1967 that Israel is occupying Palestine illegaly. Funny thing, noone makes Israel leave while, at the same time, demonizing Palestinians as the agressors. Israel is always shown on media as retaliating, never being the agressor. You know how stupid that is? How can you be the reactor if you're the one doing the occupying?

Let some biker gang occupy your home and somehow make you look like the bad guy when you try and get them out! Something's wrong here when Americans can't figure out this simple fact.

IZ-RYE-ELLE is the one illegaly occupying Palestine while annexing their land, which is illegal under international law, not the other way around.

Wake up America, you're being brainwashed every day to accept the tyranny and oppression of mankind, while somehow being tricked into believing we're the good guys!

[cap'n queasy]

The fact is it was originally territory given to Israel by the British Mandate.

Here's a concise timeline of the events. And precise information on exactly when Jordan annexed the West Bank and Egypt annexed Gaza.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_overview.php

The facts of history cannot be disputed. These lands were part of Israel first. This outline covers everthing.

[Pzatchok]

Plus if you start a war then lose don't cry about losing a little land afterward.

Don't start wars your not willing to lose.

[The Comrade]

topnut wrote: The UN has been under the impression since 1967 that Israel is occupying Palestine illegaly. Funny thing, noone makes Israel leave while, at the same time, demonizing Palestinians as the agressors. Israel is always shown on media as retaliating, never being the agressor. You know how stupid that is? How can you be the reactor if you're the one doing the occupying?

Let some biker gang occupy your home and somehow make you look like the bad guy when you try and get them out! Something's wrong here when Americans can't figure out this simple fact.

IZ-RYE-ELLE is the one illegaly occupying Palestine while annexing their land, which is illegal under international law, not the other way around.

Wake up America, you're being brainwashed every day to accept the tyranny and oppression of mankind, while somehow being tricked into believing we're the good guys!

good thing i'm not american.

the palestinians have the gaza strip and the west bank. how much more land do they need? oh i forgot it's no longer about land it's bout the simple fact that israel exists. palestine has it's own goverment(well did until they effed that one up good). and israel hasn't annexed the land if they've given it to the palestinians. as far as i know israel has pulled out og gaza and the west bank. it seems to me that the palestinians are the ones crossing borders and launching rockets. pushing israel out shouldn't go beyond the borders. when you cross into another countries territory you are no longer defending you are attacking.

[topnut]

I love how you robots stay completely clear of the FACT that the Israeli occupation is illegal!

The UN deemed it illegal over 35 years ago! How about you accept this fact before we go any further.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: The UN has been under the impression since 1967 that Israel is occupying Palestine illegaly.

That only because when Jordan and Egypt annexed these areas after the war the UN partitioned Israel and gave them to the Palestinians. Israel went along with it.

In 1967 the Arab League invaded again and got whooped, and Israel re-occupied these areas. Since then Egypt and Jordan have given up their claims the the area in treaties. The Palestinians have never gotten their act together. If they had they would have a state. Instead of taking care of this business they have been too involved in their terror campaign to drive Israel into the sea.

They are not settling for their UN mandated areas. Whenever they get one they start attacking from it instead of forming their state. It's happened several times.

It's all covered in the link I provided.

[The Comrade]

the UN condems anything that looks at it funny. if you had your shoelaces untied they would condem you and threaten sanctions.

[topnut]

Israel's occupation of Palestine began in 1967, it is illegal....let's just start here and then we'll move to some more fundamentally basic concepts such as the illegal Israeli settlements on Palestine's land.

International Law - it is illegal to annex any countries land, not to mention the illegality of building settlements on this annexed land.

Let's get into it, becuase you ignorant, brainwashed robots have no idea what the truth really is. Go ahead, tell me why it's ok for Israel to illegaly occupy and annex Palestine for over 35 years.

[topnut]

cap'n queasy wrote: The fact is it was originally territory given to Israel by the British Mandate.

Here's a concise timeline of the events. And precise information on exactly when Jordan annexed the West Bank and Egypt annexed Gaza.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_overview.php

The facts of history cannot be disputed. These lands were part of Israel first. This outline covers everthing.

Why don't you inject yourself with some information and watch the video I have provided?

You're a robot sir.

[The Comrade]

topnut wrote: Israel's occupation of Palestine began in 1967, it is illegal....let's just start here and then we'll move to some more fundamentally basic concepts such as the illegal Israeli settlements on Palestine's land.

International Law - it is illegal to annex any countries land, not to mention the illegality of building settlements on this annexed land.

Let's get into it, becuase you ignorant, brainwashed robots have no idea what the truth really is. Go ahead, tell me why it's ok for Israel to illegaly occupy and annex Palestine for over 35 years.

palestine had it's own goverment until they messed it up. if you had reas what i previously said you would know that. you're using annex in the wrong sense. i am not ignorant nor am i brainwashed. israel has begun to move people from their settlements but many of the people living there refuse to leave.

[cap'n queasy]

topnut wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: The fact is it was originally territory given to Israel by the British Mandate.

Here's a concise timeline of the events. And precise information on exactly when Jordan annexed the West Bank and Egypt annexed Gaza.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_overview.php

The facts of history cannot be disputed. These lands were part of Israel first. This outline covers everthing.

Why don't you inject yourself with some information and watch the video I have provided?

You're a robot sir.

Facts are facts.

[Revenant]

Edit: Nico.

ALL SUPPORTERS OF ISRAEL ARE ROBOTS :lol:

[jedi_aka]

I have said it and I will say it again.
There is no prior example in history of nation being created inside another nation without original use of force. If anything should have happened in the late 40's is that all the new Israeli immigrants to the prematurely born Palestine should have been under Palestinian rule (govt).

The UN messed up, The British were too lenient (post war Jewish protection sentiments), and the other Arabic countries were not strong enough to oppose this.

[The Comrade]

robots have been smarter then humans and have always had common sense.


i'd rather be a robot then an asanine fool

[cap'n queasy]

No, it is people who parrot the UN line without disputing the facts which are robots.

Trans-Jordan and Egypt annexed Gaza and the West Bank as the spoils of war in 1948, when they invaded Israel.

And they lost them as the spoils of war in 1967 when they tried to invade Israel again.

And after that Israel has tried to make deals giving up this land several times, everytime with bad results.

If you can dispute those facts do it.

If not there is nothing else to say.

[cap'n queasy]

jedi_aka wrote: I have said it and I will say it again.
There is no prior example in history of nation being created inside another nation without original use of force. If anything should have happened in the late 40's is that all the new Israeli immigrants to the prematurely born Palestine should have been under Palestinian rule (govt).

The UN messed up, The British were too lenient (post war Jewish protection sentiments), and the other Arabic countries were not strong enough to oppose this.

If you knew anything about it you would know there was never any such thing as Palestinian rule, as there has never been a nation called Palestine.

And you would know that Britain restricted Jewish immigration numerous times and never did anything to stem the flow of illegal immigration among Arabs.

Quote: Geographical Distribution of the Mandate
In 1920, following the defeat of the Turks, the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and the peace conferences after World War I, the British Mandate for Palestine was created by the League of Nations. The Mandate was international recognition for the stated purpose of "establishing in Palestine a national home for the Jewish people." (See What was the British Mandate?.)

The area of the Mandate was originally 118,000 square kilometers (about 45,000 square miles). In 1921, Britain took the 91,000 square kilometers of the Palestine Mandate east of the Jordan River, and created Trans-Jordan (later the Arab country of Jordan) as a new Arab protectorate. Jews were barred by law from living or owning property east of the Jordan river, even though that land was over three-fourths of the original Mandate.

In 1923, Britain ceded the Golan Heights (another 1,176 square kilometers of the Palestine Mandate) to the French Mandate of Syria. Jews were also barred from living there. Jewish settlers on the Golan Heights were forced to abandon their homes and relocate inside the westerb area of the British Mandate.

The total remaining area of the Mandate for Palestine, after these land deductions, was just under 26,000 square kilometers (about 10,000 square miles). The southern part of the Mandate – the desert of the Negev – was also closed by the British to Jewish settlement. The area was inhabited by 15,000 roaming Bedouins, and had no Jewish or Arab settlements in it.

The balance of the Mandate, the inhabited part of Palestine, and only the part west of the Jordan, was just 14,000 square kilometers. Jewish immigration was limited by the British from time to time, especially after the periods of Arab riots and severely restricted after 1939. At the same time, Arab immigration was not restricted or even recorded. By 1948, when the State of Israel was founded, 1.8 million people lived the western area of the Mandate, estimated to be 600,000 Jews and 1.2 million Arabs. Following the war between the Jews and the Arabs in 1948, the inhabited areas of the 14,000 square kilometers were divided along cease-fire lines between Israel and Jordan/Egypt. 8,000 square kilometers, or 57% of the reduced area (which is only 6.7% of the original Mandate territory), became Israel. The rest of the area of western Palestine, 5,700 square kilometers of historic Judea and Samaria, was annexed by Jordan – and renamed the West Bank - while 360 square kilometers were occupied by Egypt and called the Gaza Strip.



http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_overview.php

Can you credibly dispute any of this?