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[X-Shocker]

Why do they set up snipers inside mosques and among civilians when they are at war with another country?

[mai]

Oh Im a muslim, funny but i dont recall me or any1 i know doing that :?



So tell me, what's this generalization is about? And on what basis do you support this conclusion about muslims?!

[23KIA]

The short answer is because it works.

In a certain sense, I might do that same if I were in their position.

Their approach is not a military victory, it is a political one. They want to taunt and torture Israeli's until they either give up and leave wholesale, or they can generate enough international pressure to end the support the need to survive.

If you are a Hezbollah or Hamas animal, then you seek civilian and cultural locations to attack from as a rule. You win either way. You inflict damage, and when retaliation comes to flaunt civilian damage. Its a solid formula, no matter how sadistic we might think it to be.

The fact that Israel is damaging so much of Lebanon, and creating a humanitarian disaster is simply a bonus to a these groups. Now....nations are holding them partially accountable for the results of their actions in starting this mess, and THAT is why you see the backpeddaling- their claim to have not known Israel's response would be so severe etc.

[unseen]

X-Shocker wrote: Why do they set up snipers inside mosques and among civilians when they are at war with another country? Why do you hide behind a keyboard? Why dont you go and join the IDF? Why dont you go and join the American army? Maybe you can do something about it then.

Who told you that the billions of muslims were hiding behind mosques and skirts?

[Demonic Spoon]

X-Shocker wrote: Why do they set up snipers inside mosques and among civilians when they are at war with another country?

The same reason that Germans (in WW2) hid in churches.

[henrilegrand]

[quote="Demonic Spoon"][quote="X-Shocker"]Why do they set up snipers inside mosques and among civilians when they are at war with another country?[/quote]

The same reason that Germans (in WW2) hid in churches.[/quote]

*****

You must have read a book by Anne Coulter or Rush Limbaugh.

[FarPastGone]

23KIA wrote: The short answer is because it works.

In a certain sense, I might do that same if I were in their position.

Their approach is not a military victory, it is a political one. They want to taunt and torture Israeli's until they either give up and leave wholesale, or they can generate enough international pressure to end the support the need to survive.

If you are a Hezbollah or Hamas animal, then you seek civilian and cultural locations to attack from as a rule. You win either way. You inflict damage, and when retaliation comes to flaunt civilian damage. Its a solid formula, no matter how sadistic we might think it to be.

The fact that Israel is damaging so much of Lebanon, and creating a humanitarian disaster is simply a bonus to a these groups. Now....nations are holding them partially accountable for the results of their actions in starting this mess, and THAT is why you see the backpeddaling- their claim to have not known Israel's response would be so severe etc.
I agree with you, and even if it is not meant to be a means to a military victory it makes the most sense in combat terms, these people do not have the equipment Israeli soldiers do nor the support, and if they were to engage in a straight face-to-face battle they would be anhililated. It is guerilla warfare; they survive by thriving off ambushes, traps, concealling locations, and blending in with the local population when needed.

[thatisnotme]

23KIA wrote: The short answer is because it works.

In a certain sense, I might do that same if I were in their position.

Their approach is not a military victory, it is a political one. They want to taunt and torture Israeli's until they either give up and leave wholesale, or they can generate enough international pressure to end the support the need to survive.

If you are a Hezbollah or Hamas animal, then you seek civilian and cultural locations to attack from as a rule. You win either way. You inflict damage, and when retaliation comes to flaunt civilian damage. Its a solid formula, no matter how sadistic we might think it to be.

The fact that Israel is damaging so much of Lebanon, and creating a humanitarian disaster is simply a bonus to a these groups. Now....nations are holding them partially accountable for the results of their actions in starting this mess, and THAT is why you see the backpeddaling- their claim to have not known Israel's response would be so severe etc.

You should start reading with UN resolution 181. It was passed in 1947. It called for two states: one for the Jews, who accepted it; and one for the Arabs, which was rejected and is still rejected by the vast majority of Palestinians. Think if they had accepted it in 1948 like the Jews. Today, you would have two peaceful states living side by side in peace, not to mention all the senseless killing for the last 60 years that would have been avoided. The Arabs have no one but themselves to blame for what is happening in the ME.

[FarPastGone]

thatisnotme wrote: 23KIA wrote: The short answer is because it works.

In a certain sense, I might do that same if I were in their position.

Their approach is not a military victory, it is a political one. They want to taunt and torture Israeli's until they either give up and leave wholesale, or they can generate enough international pressure to end the support the need to survive.

If you are a Hezbollah or Hamas animal, then you seek civilian and cultural locations to attack from as a rule. You win either way. You inflict damage, and when retaliation comes to flaunt civilian damage. Its a solid formula, no matter how sadistic we might think it to be.

The fact that Israel is damaging so much of Lebanon, and creating a humanitarian disaster is simply a bonus to a these groups. Now....nations are holding them partially accountable for the results of their actions in starting this mess, and THAT is why you see the backpeddaling- their claim to have not known Israel's response would be so severe etc.

You should start reading with UN resolution 181. It was passed in 1947. It called for two states: one for the Jews, who accepted it; and one for the Arabs, which was rejected and is still rejected by the vast majority of Palestinians. Think if they had accepted it in 1948 like the Jews. Today, you would have two peaceful states living side by side in peace, not to mention all the senseless killing for the last 60 years that would have been avoided. The Arabs have no one but themselves to blame for what is happening in the ME.
If you want to go back that far then could you not blame the UN or Israel for being set up?

[thatisnotme]

FarPastGone wrote: thatisnotme wrote: 23KIA wrote: The short answer is because it works.

In a certain sense, I might do that same if I were in their position.

Their approach is not a military victory, it is a political one. They want to taunt and torture Israeli's until they either give up and leave wholesale, or they can generate enough international pressure to end the support the need to survive.

If you are a Hezbollah or Hamas animal, then you seek civilian and cultural locations to attack from as a rule. You win either way. You inflict damage, and when retaliation comes to flaunt civilian damage. Its a solid formula, no matter how sadistic we might think it to be.

The fact that Israel is damaging so much of Lebanon, and creating a humanitarian disaster is simply a bonus to a these groups. Now....nations are holding them partially accountable for the results of their actions in starting this mess, and THAT is why you see the backpeddaling- their claim to have not known Israel's response would be so severe etc.

You should start reading with UN resolution 181. It was passed in 1947. It called for two states: one for the Jews, who accepted it; and one for the Arabs, which was rejected and is still rejected by the vast majority of Palestinians. Think if they had accepted it in 1948 like the Jews. Today, you would have two peaceful states living side by side in peace, not to mention all the senseless killing for the last 60 years that would have been avoided. The Arabs have no one but themselves to blame for what is happening in the ME.
If you want to go back that far then could you not blame the UN or Israel for being set up?

And what set up would that be???

[FarPastGone]

Israel my friend.

[henrilegrand]

[quote="Demonic Spoon"]Why do they set up snipers inside mosques and among civilians when they are at war with another country?[/quote]


*****

Well, spoon, because those 'skirts' give Hezbollah fighters perhaps more spirit?

Todays Washington Post Foreign Service reporters Scott Wilson and Edward Cony wrote in their front page article:

HEZBOLLAH PROVES A FORMIDABLE FOE - Entrenched Guerilla Force Exposes Limits of Israel's Modern Army -

"After weeks of aerial bombardment and artillery fire, Israel's army finds itself in a bruising ground war just across the border against an opponent employing the classic tactics of guerilla warfare.
And so far, say soldiers, commanders and military analyst, Hezbollah has proved a more formidable force by orders of magnitude than the armed Palestinian groups in the territories.
Hezbollah gunmen killed nine Israeli soldiers and wounded 27 others Wednsday in clashes in towns two miles into Southern Lebanon, the highest daily death toll for Israel's army in the 15 day war.
The Hezbollah ambush, inside Bint Jbeil, a town Israeli military officials said the previous day that they had seized, was at times so intense that Israeli soldiers were pinned down and could not return fire".

Oh those skirts, oh oh, how they could create fighting spirit, c'est magnifique, n'est-ce pas mon ami?

[thatisnotme]

FarPastGone wrote: Israel my friend.



You wrote: If you want to go back that far then could you not blame the UN or Israel for being set up?


I wrote: And what set up would that be???

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Make sense.

[FarPastGone]

No. I am sorry I am hardheaded sometimes. Please expand so I am able to understand. Thanks. :)

[thatisnotme]

FarPastGone wrote: No. I am sorry I am hardheaded sometimes. Please expand so I am able to understand. Thanks. :)


I can be also hardheaded:

You should start reading with UN resolution 181. It was passed in 1947. It called for two states: one for the Jews, who accepted it; and one for the Arabs, which was rejected and is still rejected by the vast majority of Palestinians. Think if they had accepted it in 1948 like the Jews. Today, you would have two peaceful states living side by side in peace, not to mention all the senseless killing for the last 60 years that would have been avoided. The Arabs have no one but themselves to blame for what is happening in the ME.

[FarPastGone]

I think I understand what you are saying (and I have not read UN Resolution 181, but am about to (its long)), but aside from rulers and empirers could it not be the fact that the land was divided?

[thatisnotme]

FarPastGone wrote: I think I understand what you are saying (and I have not read UN Resolution 181, but am about to (its long)), but aside from rulers and empirers could it not be the fact that the land was divided?



Palestine was Ottoman land until 1918. From then until 1947, it was a British mandate. When was it divided??? UN resolution of 1947 called for two states. The Jews accepted it and declared their state in 1948. The Arabs rejected and have never accepted, even in 2006. Whose to blame for all that bloodshed since then?

[mr_happy]

It should be pointed out that the UN resolution had but little affect. Before the British pulled out the Jewish and Muslim natives were fighting each other. The UN resolutionw as an attempt to stop that fighting. The UN did not "create" israel any more than it "created" east Germany. Armies create nations, not people with big mouths.

[henrilegrand]

[quote="thatisnotme"][quote="FarPastGone"]I think I understand what you are saying (and I have not read UN Resolution 181, but am about to (its long)), but aside from rulers and empirers could it not be the fact that the land was divided?[/quote]



Palestine was Ottoman land until 1918. From then until 1947, it was a British mandate. When was it divided??? UN resolution of 1947 called for two states. The Jews accepted it and declared their state in 1948. The Arabs rejected and have never accepted, even in 2006. Whose to blame for all that bloodshed since then?[/quote]

*****

[b]"Everybody sees a difficulty in the question of relations between Arabs and Jews. But not everybody sees that there is no solution!
There is a gulf, and nothing can breach it...We, as a nation want this country to be 'ours'; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be 'theirs'"

-David Ben Gurion- June 1919[/b]

[SpartanPhalanx]

thatisnotme wrote: 23KIA wrote: The short answer is because it works.

In a certain sense, I might do that same if I were in their position.

Their approach is not a military victory, it is a political one. They want to taunt and torture Israeli's until they either give up and leave wholesale, or they can generate enough international pressure to end the support the need to survive.

If you are a Hezbollah or Hamas animal, then you seek civilian and cultural locations to attack from as a rule. You win either way. You inflict damage, and when retaliation comes to flaunt civilian damage. Its a solid formula, no matter how sadistic we might think it to be.

The fact that Israel is damaging so much of Lebanon, and creating a humanitarian disaster is simply a bonus to a these groups. Now....nations are holding them partially accountable for the results of their actions in starting this mess, and THAT is why you see the backpeddaling- their claim to have not known Israel's response would be so severe etc.

You should start reading with UN resolution 181. It was passed in 1947. It called for two states: one for the Jews, who accepted it; and one for the Arabs, which was rejected and is still rejected by the vast majority of Palestinians. Think if they had accepted it in 1948 like the Jews. Today, you would have two peaceful states living side by side in peace, not to mention all the senseless killing for the last 60 years that would have been avoided. The Arabs have no one but themselves to blame for what is happening in the ME.


Well, the Palestinians had UN Legislative resolution 181 jammed down their throats. There was NEVER any consultation with the Palestinian side about the division of the land, never any negotiation. That is what happens when there is no input from all parties, no negotiation and dictat leads to conflict. One side feels the resolution is in their interests, the other side sees a huge injustice, and conflict occurs as a result.