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Robodoon · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5027 Location: Lakeport

Feminism and the Communists

The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State by Friedrich Engels

Quote: Quote: “…the first condition for the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole female sex back into the public industry, and this in turn demands the abolition of the monogramous family as the economic unit of society…..With the transfer of the means of production into common ownership, the single family ceases to be the economic unit of society. Private housekeeping is transformed into a social industry. The care and education of the children become a public affair; society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not. This removes all anxiety about the ‘consequences,’ which today is the most essential social –moral as well as economic---factor that prevents a girl from giving herself completely to the man she loves. Will not that suffice to bring about the gradual growth of unconstrained sexual intercourse and with it a more tolerant public opinion in regard to a maiden’s honor and a woman’s shame.”

Does this type of “free love” promiscuity sound familiar?

Page 3 The Road to Socialism and the New World Order
Dennis Laurence Cuddy, Ph.D.

Comment: now if you add this link http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/posting.php?mode=editpost&p=1436411 to this you can see something shaping up. The Rockefellers and friends fund a great many things...toward their Agenda, their vision, their New World Order.

Protostar · Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject:

WOMEN DOING WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. WOMEN BEING FREE TO PURSUE OTHER CAREERS OTHER THAN HOUSEWIFE/SEX SLAVE/MOTHERS!! WHO THE f**k DO THESE UPPITY B!TCHES THINK THEY ARE!!?!?!?!?! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!!!!!

Robodoon · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5027 Location: Lakeport

Protostar wrote: WOMEN DOING WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. WOMEN BEING FREE TO PURSUE OTHER CAREERS OTHER THAN HOUSEWIFE/SEX SLAVE/MOTHERS!! WHO THE f**k DO THESE UPPITY B!TCHES THINK THEY ARE!!?!?!?!?! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!!!!!

WHAT? this post has nothing to do with that, its exposing an agenda of the Rich who want to hurt "WE THE PEOPLE" ...is the Agenda beyond you?

Chymical · Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject:

AGENDA

1. breakfast for hubby
2. washing up
3. hoovering whilst getting kids ready
4. scowl at husband as walks out
5. get rid of kids
6. Get it on with postman
7. do the laundry
8....

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Protostar wrote: WOMEN DOING WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. WOMEN BEING FREE TO PURSUE OTHER CAREERS OTHER THAN HOUSEWIFE/SEX SLAVE/MOTHERS!! WHO THE f**k DO THESE UPPITY B!TCHES THINK THEY ARE!!?!?!?!?! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!!!!!
Being a mother is NOT being a sex slave.. :x

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Robodoon wrote: Protostar wrote: WOMEN DOING WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. WOMEN BEING FREE TO PURSUE OTHER CAREERS OTHER THAN HOUSEWIFE/SEX SLAVE/MOTHERS!! WHO THE f**k DO THESE UPPITY B!TCHES THINK THEY ARE!!?!?!?!?! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!!!!!

WHAT? this post has nothing to do with that, its exposing an agenda of the Rich who want to hurt "WE THE PEOPLE" ...is the Agenda beyond you?
He's brainwashed, Robodon.. ignore him.

Did you see the Aaron Russo interview on feminism? (the guy who made that new movie, America: Freedom to Fascism about the IRS?) He gave an interview a little while ago, where he talked about how the Rockefellers told him PERSONALLY that they invented feminism just to be able to TAX women.

The Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject:

psholtz wrote: Robodoon wrote: Protostar wrote: WOMEN DOING WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. WOMEN BEING FREE TO PURSUE OTHER CAREERS OTHER THAN HOUSEWIFE/SEX SLAVE/MOTHERS!! WHO THE f**k DO THESE UPPITY B!TCHES THINK THEY ARE!!?!?!?!?! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!!!!!

WHAT? this post has nothing to do with that, its exposing an agenda of the Rich who want to hurt "WE THE PEOPLE" ...is the Agenda beyond you?
He's brainwashed, Robodon.. ignore him.

For clearly it requires brainwashing to have an opinion about the role of women different from yours. :roll:

ideal · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 213 Location: Wyoming

Actually, I think the problem is more with what his assumption was of Robodoon's opinion of a woman.

That, and he saw opposition to his views and immediately went the extremist route.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

The Central Scrutinizer wrote: psholtz wrote: Robodoon wrote: Protostar wrote: WOMEN DOING WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. WOMEN BEING FREE TO PURSUE OTHER CAREERS OTHER THAN HOUSEWIFE/SEX SLAVE/MOTHERS!! WHO THE f**k DO THESE UPPITY B!TCHES THINK THEY ARE!!?!?!?!?! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!!!!!

WHAT? this post has nothing to do with that, its exposing an agenda of the Rich who want to hurt "WE THE PEOPLE" ...is the Agenda beyond you?
He's brainwashed, Robodon.. ignore him.

For clearly it requires brainwashing to have an opinion about the role of women different from yours. :roll:
The view that Protostar expressed concerning women is one that only someone who has been subjected to years of brainwashing by the mass media would believe.. by which I mean, he seems to believe that either a woman must (a) have a career; and (b) she must be a wife/sex slave/mother (<- interesting how he jams all three options into one choice).

Does that answer your question?

Azuresidus · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 183 Location: Somewhere Else.

This will probably do no good, but...

Quote: society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not

Right, terrible. Of course, bastards should be ostracised and treated as less than "legitimate" children. That makes sense. I suppose, some sort of incredibly antiquated sense wherein you blame the children for whether or not their parents were married.

Quote: prevents a girl from giving herself completely to the man she loves

Even worse. Giving oneself over to someone that you love. The worst thing that someone could do. ...And the beginnings of the family unit that you profess to honor so highly.

Quote: a more tolerant public opinion in regard to a maiden’s honor and a woman’s shame

Why oh why do only maidens have "honor"? And why should women be ashamed of their happiness, freedom, and love?

None of this seems to make overmuch sense to me. If getting rid of ideals that have no place in our society is some plot by the rich, count me in. I'm all for "enslavement" that gives women the right to choose whether or not they want to be married, divorce, vote, have a job outside of the home, or have children. And I'm all for a value system in which children are treated equally, rather than like crap for some stigma based on their parents' marital status. Not only that, but bring on the "new world order" that says a woman shouldn't be ashamed of "giving herself completely to the man she loves."

The Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject:

Azuresidus wrote: This will probably do no good, but...

Quote: society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not

Right, terrible. Of course, bastards should be ostracised and treated as less than "legitimate" children. That makes sense. I suppose, some sort of incredibly antiquated sense wherein you blame the children for whether or not their parents were married.

Quote: prevents a girl from giving herself completely to the man she loves

Even worse. Giving oneself over to someone that you love. The worst thing that someone could do. ...And the beginnings of the family unit that you profess to honor so highly.

Quote: a more tolerant public opinion in regard to a maiden’s honor and a woman’s shame

Why oh why do only maidens have "honor"? And why should women be ashamed of their happiness, freedom, and love?

None of this seems to make overmuch sense to me. If getting rid of ideals that have no place in our society is some plot by the rich, count me in. I'm all for "enslavement" that gives women the right to choose whether or not they want to be married, divorce, vote, have a job outside of the home, or have children. And I'm all for a value system in which children are treated equally, rather than like crap for some stigma based on their parents' marital status. Not only that, but bring on the "new world order" that says a woman shouldn't be ashamed of "giving herself completely to the man she loves."

:flwr:

Robodoon · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5027 Location: Lakeport

psholtz wrote: Robodoon wrote: Protostar wrote: WOMEN DOING WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. WOMEN BEING FREE TO PURSUE OTHER CAREERS OTHER THAN HOUSEWIFE/SEX SLAVE/MOTHERS!! WHO THE f**k DO THESE UPPITY B!TCHES THINK THEY ARE!!?!?!?!?! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!!!!!

WHAT? this post has nothing to do with that, its exposing an agenda of the Rich who want to hurt "WE THE PEOPLE" ...is the Agenda beyond you?
He's brainwashed, Robodon.. ignore him.

Did you see the Aaron Russo interview on feminism? (the guy who made that new movie, America: Freedom to Fascism about the IRS?) He gave an interview a little while ago, where he talked about how the Rockefellers told him PERSONALLY that they invented feminism just to be able to TAX women.

;) right here http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58478&highlight=

but most people don't know about the connections to the Rockefellers and their support for the birth of Communism and its funding. ;)

Robodoon · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5027 Location: Lakeport

The Central Scrutinizer wrote: psholtz wrote: Robodoon wrote: Protostar wrote: WOMEN DOING WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR OWN BODIES. WOMEN BEING FREE TO PURSUE OTHER CAREERS OTHER THAN HOUSEWIFE/SEX SLAVE/MOTHERS!! WHO THE f**k DO THESE UPPITY B!TCHES THINK THEY ARE!!?!?!?!?! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!!!!!

WHAT? this post has nothing to do with that, its exposing an agenda of the Rich who want to hurt "WE THE PEOPLE" ...is the Agenda beyond you?
He's brainwashed, Robodon.. ignore him.

For clearly it requires brainwashing to have an opinion about the role of women different from yours. :roll:

Some people know the story of what is going on, thats why they say people are brainwashed, because they know who is doing it and what the agenda is about...they also understand how brainwashing works.

In Bernays 1928 book, Propaganda, which was recently re-issued, he talks about the invisible governance by manipulation.
Quote: "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smooth functioning society."
http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn33.htm

Robodoon · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5027 Location: Lakeport

ideal wrote: Actually, I think the problem is more with what his assumption was of Robodoon's opinion of a woman.

That, and he saw opposition to his views and immediately went the extremist route.

No I understand the AGENDA and most people don't.

So its not a matter of personal opinion, its a matter of knowing the goals of the Agenda, who is doing, why they are doing and what their wanted outcome is...and we find this out by reading the agendas of the people doing it. They write it down and they do it.... they can't help but boast about it in many cases...like ol Davey boy below....he is boasting about what he is doing and confessing to it, but who is going to stop them? So its an in your face attack by him, and he laughs about it..

Robodoon · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5027 Location: Lakeport

Azuresidus wrote: This will probably do no good, but...

Quote: society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not

Right, terrible. Of course, bastards should be ostracised and treated as less than "legitimate" children. That makes sense. I suppose, some sort of incredibly antiquated sense wherein you blame the children for whether or not their parents were married.

Quote: prevents a girl from giving herself completely to the man she loves

Even worse. Giving oneself over to someone that you love. The worst thing that someone could do. ...And the beginnings of the family unit that you profess to honor so highly.

Quote: a more tolerant public opinion in regard to a maiden’s honor and a woman’s shame

Why oh why do only maidens have "honor"? And why should women be ashamed of their happiness, freedom, and love?

None of this seems to make overmuch sense to me. If getting rid of ideals that have no place in our society is some plot by the rich, count me in. I'm all for "enslavement" that gives women the right to choose whether or not they want to be married, divorce, vote, have a job outside of the home, or have children. And I'm all for a value system in which children are treated equally, rather than like crap for some stigma based on their parents' marital status. Not only that, but bring on the "new world order" that says a woman shouldn't be ashamed of "giving herself completely to the man she loves."

Free men are never equal, and Equal men are never free.

Communism has killed 160,000,000 people in the world...in their "quest".

There are a few things you don't understand about communism.....one of which, poison is sold to the masses as sugar. ;)

The Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject:

Robodoon wrote: Azuresidus wrote: This will probably do no good, but...

Quote: society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not

Right, terrible. Of course, bastards should be ostracised and treated as less than "legitimate" children. That makes sense. I suppose, some sort of incredibly antiquated sense wherein you blame the children for whether or not their parents were married.

Quote: prevents a girl from giving herself completely to the man she loves

Even worse. Giving oneself over to someone that you love. The worst thing that someone could do. ...And the beginnings of the family unit that you profess to honor so highly.

Quote: a more tolerant public opinion in regard to a maiden’s honor and a woman’s shame

Why oh why do only maidens have "honor"? And why should women be ashamed of their happiness, freedom, and love?

None of this seems to make overmuch sense to me. If getting rid of ideals that have no place in our society is some plot by the rich, count me in. I'm all for "enslavement" that gives women the right to choose whether or not they want to be married, divorce, vote, have a job outside of the home, or have children. And I'm all for a value system in which children are treated equally, rather than like crap for some stigma based on their parents' marital status. Not only that, but bring on the "new world order" that says a woman shouldn't be ashamed of "giving herself completely to the man she loves."

Free men are never equal, and Equal men are never free.

Spare us the rhetoric. Where did she say equality was the goal? Only that maybe we should treat children born out of wedlock like human beings. No... that might be something Christ would do.

Quote: Communism has killed 160,000,000 people in the world...in their "quest".

Source? Not that I like Communism. Not that they didn't kill millions of people. But the number seems high, even for you. And no matter how much bile you spew forth, feminism does not equal communism. Sorry. That's like calling Scrabble a sport.

Quote: There are a few things you don't understand about communism.....one of which, poison is sold to the masses as sugar. ;)

There are a few things that you don't understand about the world... one of which is that we don't like your way of doing things. :wink:

Azuresidus · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 183 Location: Somewhere Else.

Robodoon wrote: Azuresidus wrote: This will probably do no good, but...

Quote: society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not

Right, terrible. Of course, bastards should be ostracised and treated as less than "legitimate" children. That makes sense. I suppose, some sort of incredibly antiquated sense wherein you blame the children for whether or not their parents were married.

Quote: prevents a girl from giving herself completely to the man she loves

Even worse. Giving oneself over to someone that you love. The worst thing that someone could do. ...And the beginnings of the family unit that you profess to honor so highly.

Quote: a more tolerant public opinion in regard to a maiden’s honor and a woman’s shame

Why oh why do only maidens have "honor"? And why should women be ashamed of their happiness, freedom, and love?

None of this seems to make overmuch sense to me. If getting rid of ideals that have no place in our society is some plot by the rich, count me in. I'm all for "enslavement" that gives women the right to choose whether or not they want to be married, divorce, vote, have a job outside of the home, or have children. And I'm all for a value system in which children are treated equally, rather than like crap for some stigma based on their parents' marital status. Not only that, but bring on the "new world order" that says a woman shouldn't be ashamed of "giving herself completely to the man she loves."

Free men are never equal, and Equal men are never free.

Not really on topic, but alright, I'll bite. Being free to make your own choices does not prevent you from being the equal of any other person. Being equal is not the same thing as being identical in personality or choices or even in resources. I am talking about equality in the sense of the equal value of every life and equal rights for human beings. Two men or women (or a man and a woman) can be equal without being "the same." Not only that, but being equal individuals doesn't mean that they can't still be free. I should think that the closest you will get to a definition of "equal" that inhibits freedom will be in a communist system. At no point does feminism necessitate that men and women be exactly alike, just have the same rights and be valued the same as human beings. At no point does it say that anyone should not be free to make their own choices. Feminism is not communism.

Quote: Communism has killed 160,000,000 people in the world...in their "quest".

Again, not exactly on topic with the points that I was making, which were concerning how feminism's reforms were bad, not how communism was bad. However, if communism did bring about these reforms and also these deaths (not that I am certain at all that they did, I think feminism brought about some of these reforms and communism some of these deaths), I have a couple of questions. Were any of them by preventing the unfair bias against children born "out of wedlock"? How about deaths brought about by recognizing that being female doesn't make you less of a human being?

Quote: There are a few things you don't understand about communism.....one of which, poison is sold to the masses as sugar. ;)

Yes, I suppose that tricking people into thinking that something is a good idea is one way to go toward convincing them that your world view is the right one. Or, just a thought, you could fill their minds with paranoia and propaganda and make them see enemies where they don't exist. I should think that would be an effective tactic as well. It has worked well in the past. So, tell me, are you really against the "communist new world order," or are you really working for them by trying to convince the rest of us that our real enemies are freedom of choices like religion and feminist reforms for equality?

Robodoon · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5027 Location: Lakeport

Quote: The Central Scrutinizer wrote: Robodoon wrote: Azuresidus wrote: This will probably do no good, but...

Quote: society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not

Right, terrible. Of course, bastards should be ostracised and treated as less than "legitimate" children. That makes sense. I suppose, some sort of incredibly antiquated sense wherein you blame the children for whether or not their parents were married.

Quote: prevents a girl from giving herself completely to the man she loves

Even worse. Giving oneself over to someone that you love. The worst thing that someone could do. ...And the beginnings of the family unit that you profess to honor so highly.

Quote: a more tolerant public opinion in regard to a maiden’s honor and a woman’s shame

Why oh why do only maidens have "honor"? And why should women be ashamed of their happiness, freedom, and love?

None of this seems to make overmuch sense to me. If getting rid of ideals that have no place in our society is some plot by the rich, count me in. I'm all for "enslavement" that gives women the right to choose whether or not they want to be married, divorce, vote, have a job outside of the home, or have children. And I'm all for a value system in which children are treated equally, rather than like crap for some stigma based on their parents' marital status. Not only that, but bring on the "new world order" that says a woman shouldn't be ashamed of "giving herself completely to the man she loves."

Free men are never equal, and Equal men are never free.

Spare us the rhetoric. Where did she say equality was the goal? Only that maybe we should treat children born out of wedlock like human beings. No... that might be something Christ would do.

Of coarse take care of children, but todays problem of out of wed lock children has been a designed issue, by the same powers behind Communism and Feminism. Problems have been created on purpose, so solutions can be offered by the problem creators.

Quote: Quote: Communism has killed 160,000,000 people in the world...in their "quest".

Source? Not that I like Communism. Not that they didn't kill millions of people. But the number seems high, even for you. And no matter how much bile you spew forth, feminism does not equal communism. Sorry. That's like calling Scrabble a sport. Black Book on Communism.

Quote: Quote: There are a few things you don't understand about communism.....one of which, poison is sold to the masses as sugar. ;)

There are a few things that you don't understand about the world... one of which is that we don't like your way of doing things. :wink:

You don't understand :cry: Feminism is a Creation of the Elites, So is Communism. Both were created for destruction.

Robodoon · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5027 Location: Lakeport

[quote="Azuresidus"] Robodoon wrote: Azuresidus wrote: This will probably do no good, but...

Quote: society looks after all children alike, whether they are legitimate or not

Right, terrible. Of course, bastards should be ostracised and treated as less than "legitimate" children. That makes sense. I suppose, some sort of incredibly antiquated sense wherein you blame the children for whether or not their parents were married.

Quote: prevents a girl from giving herself completely to the man she loves

Even worse. Giving oneself over to someone that you love. The worst thing that someone could do. ...And the beginnings of the family unit that you profess to honor so highly.

Quote: a more tolerant public opinion in regard to a maiden’s honor and a woman’s shame

Why oh why do only maidens have "honor"? And why should women be ashamed of their happiness, freedom, and love?

None of this seems to make overmuch sense to me. If getting rid of ideals that have no place in our society is some plot by the rich, count me in. I'm all for "enslavement" that gives women the right to choose whether or not they want to be married, divorce, vote, have a job outside of the home, or have children. And I'm all for a value system in which children are treated equally, rather than like crap for some stigma based on their parents' marital status. Not only that, but bring on the "new world order" that says a woman shouldn't be ashamed of "giving herself completely to the man she loves."

Free men are never equal, and Equal men are never free.

Not really on topic, but alright, I'll bite. Being free to make your own choices does not prevent you from being the equal of any other person. Being equal is not the same thing as being identical in personality or choices or even in resources. I am talking about equality in the sense of the equal value of every life and equal rights for human beings. Two men or women (or a man and a woman) can be equal without being "the same." Not only that, but being equal individuals doesn't mean that they can't still be free. I should think that the closest you will get to a definition of "equal" that inhibits freedom will be in a communist system. At no point does feminism necessitate that men and women be exactly alike, just have the same rights and be valued the same as human beings. At no point does it say that anyone should not be free to make their own choices. Feminism is not communism.

Quote: Communism has killed 160,000,000 people in the world...in their "quest".

Quote: Again, not exactly on topic with the points that I was making, which were concerning how feminism's reforms were bad, not how communism was bad. However, if communism did bring about these reforms and also these deaths (not that I am certain at all that they did, I think feminism brought about some of these reforms and communism some of these deaths), I have a couple of questions. Were any of them by preventing the unfair bias against children born "out of wedlock"? How about deaths brought about by recognizing that being female doesn't make you less of a human being? Feminism isn't about equality...its about social change and the destruction of freedom, destruction of women and the family.

Quote: There are a few things you don't understand about communism.....one of which, poison is sold to the masses as sugar. ;)

Quote: Yes, I suppose that tricking people into thinking that something is a good idea is one way to go toward convincing them that your world view is the right one. Or, just a thought, you could fill their minds with paranoia and propaganda and make them see enemies where they don't exist. I should think that would be an effective tactic as well. It has worked well in the past. So, tell me, are you really against the "communist new world order," or are you really working for them by trying to convince the rest of us that our real enemies are freedom of choices like religion and feminist reforms for equality?

Feminism and Communism are the products of the powers who are creating the New World order, they are social and geopolitcal movements within the plan to bring about the world government.

The Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject:

"Abolition/Civil Rights/Suffrage isn't about equality...its about social change and the destruction of freedom, destruction of whites/women and the family."

:lol:

No, feminism is about giving women the same freedoms that men have. It's about destroying an anchronistic, wrongheaded way of life that you still cling to, where women have one sphere and men have another, when both are capable of either and there is no moral reason to exclude them from either set of activities.