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[britboy]

I travelled round places where guns are prevelant (including the US). I just felt slightly sorry for the people there that they lived in a country where they felt they needed to be armed to be safe. They needed the capability to kill anyone as they went shopping for their diapers or their golf clubs. Just an underlying feeling, as you see the pregnant lady spending money she can't really afford on a gun that she hopes to god she's never needs, that something is going wrong within the society.

I am very lucky. In my country no-one needs to carry a loaded gun around! I'm safe from guns, so is my wife, so are my kids! For free! Always! We take it for granted! No spending money on firearms, ever. No risk of accident to anyone, ever. No spending more money and time and effort learning about guns, ever. There is no point .. not even criminals have them. Fantastic. I think I'll spend the cash I've saved on guns, ammo and training on something else. Perhaps buy a nicer car than our 'no gun control' neighbours. They can have a 5 years old Ford as they have to spend the rest on protecting themselves. I have no-one to protect myself against! Think I'll buy a brand new Ford personally! Hey, if a nutter wants to beat me up, I know he hasn't got a gun. That's a really nice detail. One more worry off my mind.

There is virtually no chance anyone that breaks into my house will have a gun. That makes me feel good. It's nice knowing criminals have a very,very difficult time getting armed, and there's no point in them doing it anyway. I'm feeling real safe now!

I know that my friend that works in a convenience store has virtually no chance of being held up at gun point. Wow this is a nice place to live.

I know that if my neighbour is having an argument with his wife, he doesn't have the option to blow her brains out. Wow that's kind of cool. There will never be an illegal discharge where I live, no matter where I live, in my country. My kids will never hear a gunshot in their entire lives. Society is safer than that. We've moved beyond guns, all of us. We're gonna enjoy trusting each other and our government. You can join the party any time you like.

Furthermore, excellent, I know there are no 'wanna be tough men' who go around with an armed weapon just because they feel 'cool, tough and dangerous'. The best they manage is a knife.

The exceptions to this rule are so rare, they can virtually be discounted.

I really do, truly, hope one day all countries will be able to live in the safety and security that a gun-free society offers. If you never have, and you spend time worrying about how to defend yourself when you SHOULD be down the local having a beer or three with your friends:- trust me, you really don't know what you are missing (and will presume I'm lying about the above in some way and we're all madly being raped and burgled over here .. but imagine for a second .. what if we're not! ).

[Wolverine]

:roll:

Oh yeah, I sleep with my AK-47 everynight.

[Logician]

Most people in countries like the US do not actually think they need a firearm to be safe. A large portion of those who do have firearms only have them for recreational purposes such as hunting or target shooting. Since there are legal and morally justifiable reasons to own a gun (i.e. defense of your family), it's really a matter of "innocent until proven guilty". By outlawing the mere possession of a firearm, you're presuming that anyone who has a gun was going to murder someone with it (guilt), rather than presuming they had it only for legal reasons (innocence).

[perdidochas]

britboy wrote: I travelled round places where guns are prevelant (including the US). I just felt slightly sorry for the people there that they lived in a country where they felt they needed to be armed to be safe. They needed the capability to kill anyone as they went shopping for their diapers or their golf clubs. Just an underlying feeling, as you see the pregnant lady spending money she can't really afford on a gun that she hopes to god she's never needs, that something is going wrong within the society.

Very few people in the U.S. feel the need to carry a gun on a regular basis. I never have. I like having one under the bed (locked), but I pretty much avoid rough areas. Now, I will admit if I were a lawyer, or a jeweler, or a pharmacist, I probably would carry. However, I will admit that I'm more afraid in a big city where concealed carry is forbidden, than in ones where is is allowed. If concealed carry is forbidden, the only armed people I will run into are criminals or cops. If it's allowed, there's a better chance that law-abiding citizens have guns as well. I think criminals are less bold in areas that allow concealed carry.

britboy wrote: I am very lucky. In my country no-one needs to carry a loaded gun around! I'm safe from guns, so is my wife, so are my kids! For free! Always! We take it for granted! No spending money on firearms, ever. No risk of accident to anyone, ever. No spending more money and time and effort learning about guns, ever. There is no point .. not even criminals have them. Fantastic. I think I'll spend the cash I've saved on guns, ammo and training on something else. Perhaps buy a nicer car than our 'no gun control' neighbours. They can have a 5 years old Ford as they have to spend the rest on protecting themselves. I have no-one to protect myself against! Think I'll buy a brand new Ford personally! Hey, if a nutter wants to beat me up, I know he hasn't got a gun. That's a really nice detail. One more worry off my mind.

Well, I feel better knowing that the clean cut guy next to me might have a gun to shoot the nutter with the knife.



britboy wrote: There is virtually no chance anyone that breaks into my house will have a gun. That makes me feel good. It's nice knowing criminals have a very,very difficult time getting armed, and there's no point in them doing it anyway. I'm feeling real safe now!

Well, I like the idea that my neighbors are armed as well, and that if something should happen, they will run to my rescue. Also, if the criminal has a weapon besides a gun, I have a much better chance against him with my gun, than I would hand to hand. I know that I don't have the reflexes to fistfight with a street punk with a knife. Thankfully, my gun relieves me of the need.

britboy wrote: I know that my friend that works in a convenience store has virtually no chance of being held up at gun point. Wow this is a nice place to live.

I think you exaggerate his safety:
]www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2277857,00.html


britboy wrote: I know that if my neighbour is having an argument with his wife, he doesn't have the option to blow her brains out. Wow that's kind of cool. There will never be an illegal discharge where I live, no matter where I live, in my country. My kids will never hear a gunshot in their entire lives. Society is safer than that. We've moved beyond guns, all of us. We're gonna enjoy trusting each other and our government. You can join the party any time you like.

Well, my kids will hear gunshots, but it won't be a bad thing. It will be either hunters or target shooters. I've never heard/seen a gun shot in violence.

britboy wrote: Furthermore, excellent, I know there are no 'wanna be tough men' who go around with an armed weapon just because they feel 'cool, tough and dangerous'. The best they manage is a knife.

A criminal with a weapon is a criminal with a weapon. I don't know about you, but a man with a knife could easily kill me.

britboy wrote: The exceptions to this rule are so rare, they can virtually be discounted.

I really do, truly, hope one day all countries will be able to live in the safety and security that a gun-free society offers. If you never have, and you spend time worrying about how to defend yourself when you SHOULD be down the local having a beer or three with your friends:- trust me, you really don't know what you are missing (and will presume I'm lying about the above in some way and we're all madly being raped and burgled over here .. but imagine for a second .. what if we're not! ).

Well, your violent crime is on the rise. Ours is stable or declining for the most part. Read the article I posted about British crime.

[TNBiologist]

britboy wrote: I travelled round places where guns are prevelant (including the US). I just felt slightly sorry for the people there that they lived in a country where they felt they needed to be armed to be safe. They needed the capability to kill anyone as they went shopping for their diapers or their golf clubs. Just an underlying feeling, as you see the pregnant lady spending money she can't really afford on a gun that she hopes to god she's never needs, that something is going wrong within the society.

I do not carry a gun for protection and I only know of one person who does, my uncle does sometimes when he is picking up livestock medications from the Co-op. People do feel better having a gun at home IF its needed but few carry in everyday life. A gun is teh great equalizer. I travel a lot for work and my wife is left alone for weeks. I know that she can fire a gun if need be but she has never had to, thankfully.

Quote: I am very lucky. In my country no-one needs to carry a loaded gun around! I'm safe from guns, so is my wife, so are my kids! For free! Always! We take it for granted! No spending money on firearms, ever. No risk of accident to anyone, ever. No spending more money and time and effort learning about guns, ever. There is no point .. not even criminals have them. Fantastic. I think I'll spend the cash I've saved on guns, ammo and training on something else. Perhaps buy a nicer car than our 'no gun control' neighbours. They can have a 5 years old Ford as they have to spend the rest on protecting themselves. I have no-one to protect myself against! Think I'll buy a brand new Ford personally! Hey, if a nutter wants to beat me up, I know he hasn't got a gun. That's a really nice detail. One more worry off my mind.

Do you honestly believe than no one carries a gunin the UK just because it is illegal? Criminals do not care about laws, hence the name criminal. Granted they might not be prevelant but I bet they are still carried by some. If the "nutter" beating you stabs you, what happens? Knife crime is on teh rise in the UK. In a society where the average person can carry a gun, there may be someone there to scare off the kinfe wielding nutter so you don't get beat or stabbed. Also most people that own guns in the US do so because they use them for recreation not solely protection. I only own one pistol, given to ne when mygrandfather died, every other gun I own is used for recreation be it hunting or trap shooting.

[quote]There is virtually no chance anyone that breaks into my house will have a gun. That makes me feel good. It's nice knowing criminals have a very,very difficult time getting armed, and there's no point in them doing it anyway. I'm feeling real safe now![quote]

But the criminals can have a knife, bat, tire iron or other weapon and you have to deal with siad intruder without a gun which means you either run away or have to physically struggle with an armed intruder putting your life in danger.

[quote]I know that my friend that works in a convenience store has virtually no chance of being held up at gun point. Wow this is a nice place to live.[quote]

See above. He can still be held up with a knife or other weapon cabible of killing.

[quote]I know that if my neighbour is having an argument with his wife, he doesn't have the option to blow her brains out. Wow that's kind of cool. There will never be an illegal discharge where I live, no matter where I live, in my country. My kids will never hear a gunshot in their entire lives. Society is safer than that. We've moved beyond guns, all of us. We're gonna enjoy trusting each other and our government. You can join the party any time you like.[quote]

But what does your neighbors wife do when herhusband is beating her over and over. People walk through restrainiing oders unless police are gaurding her 24 hours a day. With a gun your neighbors wife can defend herself when the insane husband is beating her again. I don't have kids yet but I heard gunfire as a kid. It was from hunting and target shooting. I have never fired a shot at another person. The onlythiing I have killed in defense was a coyote that kept coming after some horses.

Quote: Furthermore, excellent, I know there are no 'wanna be tough men' who go around with an armed weapon just because they feel 'cool, tough and dangerous'. The best they manage is a knife.

The exceptions to this rule are so rare, they can virtually be discounted.

I really do, truly, hope one day all countries will be able to live in the safety and security that a gun-free society offers. If you never have, and you spend time worrying about how to defend yourself when you SHOULD be down the local having a beer or three with your friends:- trust me, you really don't know what you are missing (and will presume I'm lying about the above in some way and we're all madly being raped and burgled over here .. but imagine for a second .. what if we're not! ).

Most people don't worry about having to defend themsleves. They are down at teh local bar having a beer with friends. This aspect is only brought uo when some nutjob starts screaming that guns are eveil and need to be taken away.

[JackarooSundown]

britboy wrote: I travelled round places where guns are prevelant (including the US). I just felt slightly sorry for the people there that they lived in a country where they felt they needed to be armed to be safe. They needed the capability to kill anyone as they went shopping for their diapers or their golf clubs. Just an underlying feeling, as you see the pregnant lady spending money she can't really afford on a gun that she hopes to god she's never needs, that something is going wrong within the society.

I am very lucky. In my country no-one needs to carry a loaded gun around! I'm safe from guns, so is my wife, so are my kids! For free! Always! We take it for granted! No spending money on firearms, ever. No risk of accident to anyone, ever. No spending more money and time and effort learning about guns, ever. There is no point .. not even criminals have them. Fantastic. I think I'll spend the cash I've saved on guns, ammo and training on something else. Perhaps buy a nicer car than our 'no gun control' neighbours. They can have a 5 years old Ford as they have to spend the rest on protecting themselves. I have no-one to protect myself against! Think I'll buy a brand new Ford personally! Hey, if a nutter wants to beat me up, I know he hasn't got a gun. That's a really nice detail. One more worry off my mind.

There is virtually no chance anyone that breaks into my house will have a gun. That makes me feel good. It's nice knowing criminals have a very,very difficult time getting armed, and there's no point in them doing it anyway. I'm feeling real safe now!

I know that my friend that works in a convenience store has virtually no chance of being held up at gun point. Wow this is a nice place to live.

I know that if my neighbour is having an argument with his wife, he doesn't have the option to blow her brains out. Wow that's kind of cool. There will never be an illegal discharge where I live, no matter where I live, in my country. My kids will never hear a gunshot in their entire lives. Society is safer than that. We've moved beyond guns, all of us. We're gonna enjoy trusting each other and our government. You can join the party any time you like.

Furthermore, excellent, I know there are no 'wanna be tough men' who go around with an armed weapon just because they feel 'cool, tough and dangerous'. The best they manage is a knife.

The exceptions to this rule are so rare, they can virtually be discounted.

I really do, truly, hope one day all countries will be able to live in the safety and security that a gun-free society offers. If you never have, and you spend time worrying about how to defend yourself when you SHOULD be down the local having a beer or three with your friends:- trust me, you really don't know what you are missing (and will presume I'm lying about the above in some way and we're all madly being raped and burgled over here .. but imagine for a second .. what if we're not! ).

It seems to me you lead a misguided life, one with the illusion that nobody has the capacity to kill you.

[britboy]

JackarooSundown wrote: britboy wrote: I travelled round places where guns are prevelant (including the US). I just felt slightly sorry for the people there that they lived in a country where they felt they needed to be armed to be safe. They needed the capability to kill anyone as they went shopping for their diapers or their golf clubs. Just an underlying feeling, as you see the pregnant lady spending money she can't really afford on a gun that she hopes to god she's never needs, that something is going wrong within the society.

I am very lucky. In my country no-one needs to carry a loaded gun around! I'm safe from guns, so is my wife, so are my kids! For free! Always! We take it for granted! No spending money on firearms, ever. No risk of accident to anyone, ever. No spending more money and time and effort learning about guns, ever. There is no point .. not even criminals have them. Fantastic. I think I'll spend the cash I've saved on guns, ammo and training on something else. Perhaps buy a nicer car than our 'no gun control' neighbours. They can have a 5 years old Ford as they have to spend the rest on protecting themselves. I have no-one to protect myself against! Think I'll buy a brand new Ford personally! Hey, if a nutter wants to beat me up, I know he hasn't got a gun. That's a really nice detail. One more worry off my mind.

There is virtually no chance anyone that breaks into my house will have a gun. That makes me feel good. It's nice knowing criminals have a very,very difficult time getting armed, and there's no point in them doing it anyway. I'm feeling real safe now!

I know that my friend that works in a convenience store has virtually no chance of being held up at gun point. Wow this is a nice place to live.

I know that if my neighbour is having an argument with his wife, he doesn't have the option to blow her brains out. Wow that's kind of cool. There will never be an illegal discharge where I live, no matter where I live, in my country. My kids will never hear a gunshot in their entire lives. Society is safer than that. We've moved beyond guns, all of us. We're gonna enjoy trusting each other and our government. You can join the party any time you like.

Furthermore, excellent, I know there are no 'wanna be tough men' who go around with an armed weapon just because they feel 'cool, tough and dangerous'. The best they manage is a knife.

The exceptions to this rule are so rare, they can virtually be discounted.

I really do, truly, hope one day all countries will be able to live in the safety and security that a gun-free society offers. If you never have, and you spend time worrying about how to defend yourself when you SHOULD be down the local having a beer or three with your friends:- trust me, you really don't know what you are missing (and will presume I'm lying about the above in some way and we're all madly being raped and burgled over here .. but imagine for a second .. what if we're not! ).

It seems to me you lead a misguided life, one with the illusion that nobody has the capacity to kill you.

But I've been alive for over 30 years. My wife has. Everyone I know has never seen any criminals using guns. None have ever seen a gun. My parents have both been alive for 65 years without 'being attacked by a mad, psychotic, deranged looney intent on raping then shooting them both'. I don't know anyone, ever, in my entire life, that has ever had to use a gun for self defence. My grandparents all died at 80+ having never seen a gun in their lives (apart from WW2). I don't know anyone, I have ever met, ever, who has seen a gun in this country. I live in absolute certainty that I will not get shot. Ever. You probably can't even imagine. My parents leave the key in their car every night because they can't be bothered to take it out. I sleep with my bedroom windows open because it's damn hot at the moment. You can't do that. Not without a loaded gun tucked up within easy reach ready to blast the next drug-induced wacko that stumbles in the window looking for bloody murder. So you cough up the obligatory price tag, safety instruction, risk of accident, etc. etc. yadda yadda. without even seeing the problem. In fact saying 'The UK should be like the US. If you lot had guns ... er .. you'd be even safer than you currently are'. !! Rubbish. We don't have problems here that require guns in private hands. Never had. Never will.

Whether you US are paranoid or are legitimately concerned about mad psycho drug-induced killers breaking in every now and again to rape and kill all inside -- it's a sad reflection on your society. In the UK things are kind of better. We don't need guns. We don't need that level of protection (yes, now is the time to look up a link about that 1 in 20 million UK person that did actually get shot ... good one!).

Guns in the UK would be a mistake. As I said previously, I feel kind of sorry for the law abiding citizens over in the US that feel they need them. You do have my sympathy. One day, if you are truly lucky, you will get to live in the peace and security we have over here (ironically somewhat induced by the criminals having a damn hard, expensive time getting hold of guns!).

Until that lovely day, you'll have to keep plodding on with thousands of you dying each year from gunshot wound. I'm sorry.

// edits -- spelling corrected a bit //

[JackarooSundown]

britboy wrote: JackarooSundown wrote: britboy wrote: I travelled round places where guns are prevelant (including the US). I just felt slightly sorry for the people there that they lived in a country where they felt they needed to be armed to be safe. They needed the capability to kill anyone as they went shopping for their diapers or their golf clubs. Just an underlying feeling, as you see the pregnant lady spending money she can't really afford on a gun that she hopes to god she's never needs, that something is going wrong within the society.

I am very lucky. In my country no-one needs to carry a loaded gun around! I'm safe from guns, so is my wife, so are my kids! For free! Always! We take it for granted! No spending money on firearms, ever. No risk of accident to anyone, ever. No spending more money and time and effort learning about guns, ever. There is no point .. not even criminals have them. Fantastic. I think I'll spend the cash I've saved on guns, ammo and training on something else. Perhaps buy a nicer car than our 'no gun control' neighbours. They can have a 5 years old Ford as they have to spend the rest on protecting themselves. I have no-one to protect myself against! Think I'll buy a brand new Ford personally! Hey, if a nutter wants to beat me up, I know he hasn't got a gun. That's a really nice detail. One more worry off my mind.

There is virtually no chance anyone that breaks into my house will have a gun. That makes me feel good. It's nice knowing criminals have a very,very difficult time getting armed, and there's no point in them doing it anyway. I'm feeling real safe now!

I know that my friend that works in a convenience store has virtually no chance of being held up at gun point. Wow this is a nice place to live.

I know that if my neighbour is having an argument with his wife, he doesn't have the option to blow her brains out. Wow that's kind of cool. There will never be an illegal discharge where I live, no matter where I live, in my country. My kids will never hear a gunshot in their entire lives. Society is safer than that. We've moved beyond guns, all of us. We're gonna enjoy trusting each other and our government. You can join the party any time you like.

Furthermore, excellent, I know there are no 'wanna be tough men' who go around with an armed weapon just because they feel 'cool, tough and dangerous'. The best they manage is a knife.

The exceptions to this rule are so rare, they can virtually be discounted.

I really do, truly, hope one day all countries will be able to live in the safety and security that a gun-free society offers. If you never have, and you spend time worrying about how to defend yourself when you SHOULD be down the local having a beer or three with your friends:- trust me, you really don't know what you are missing (and will presume I'm lying about the above in some way and we're all madly being raped and burgled over here .. but imagine for a second .. what if we're not! ).

It seems to me you lead a misguided life, one with the illusion that nobody has the capacity to kill you.

But I've been alive for over 30 years. My wife has. Everyone I know has never seen any criminals using guns. None have ever seen a gun. My parents have both been alive for 65 years without 'being attacked by a mad, psychotic, deranged looney intent on raping then shooting them both'. I don't know anyone, ever, in my entire life, that has ever had to use a gun for self defence. My grandparents all died at 80+ having never seen a gun in their lives (apart from WW2). I don't know anyone, I have ever met, ever, who has seen a gun in this country. I live in absolute certainty that I will not get shot. Ever. You probably can't even imagine. My parents leave the key in their car every night because they can't be bothered to take it out. I sleep with my bedroom windows open because it's damn hot at the moment. You can't do that. Not without a loaded gun tucked up within easy reach ready to blast the next drug-induced wacko that stumbles in the window looking for bloody murder. So you cough up the obligatory price tag, safety instruction, risk of accident, etc. etc. yadda yadda. without even seeing the problem. In fact saying 'The UK should be like the US. If you lot had guns ... er .. you'd be even safer than you currently are'. !! Rubbish. We don't have problems here that require guns in private hands. Never had. Never will.

Whether you US are paranoid or are legitimately concerned about mad psycho drug-induced killers breaking in every now and again to rape and kill all inside -- it's a sad reflection on your society. In the UK things are kind of better. We don't need guns. We don't need that level of protection (yes, now is the time to look up a link about that 1 in 20 million UK person that did actually get shot ... good one!).

Guns in the UK would be a mistake. As I said previously, I feel kind of sorry for the law abiding citizens over in the US that feel they need them. You do have my sympathy. One day, if you are truly lucky, you will get to live in the peace and security we have over here (ironically somewhat induced by the criminals having a damn hard, expensive time getting hold of guns!).

Until that lovely day, you'll have to keep plodding on with thousands of you dying each year from gunshot wound. I'm sorry.

// edits -- spelling corrected a bit //

People get shot in the UK, and pretending that they dont is delusional. You cant just hide away from reality :pb:, and Im sorry your family is so reckless. Murders happen with or without guns, and ANYONE on God's green earth can be murdered, case closed.

[Aqualung]

Logician wrote: Most people in countries like the US do not actually think they need a firearm to be safe. A large portion of those who do have firearms only have them for recreational purposes such as hunting or target shooting. Since there are legal and morally justifiable reasons to own a gun (i.e. defense of your family), it's really a matter of "innocent until proven guilty". By outlawing the mere possession of a firearm, you're presuming that anyone who has a gun was going to murder someone with it (guilt), rather than presuming they had it only for legal reasons (innocence).
Good post.

britboy wrote: Furthermore, excellent, I know there are no 'wanna be tough men' who go around with an armed weapon just because they feel 'cool, tough and dangerous'. The best they manage is a knife.
That's what I hope to do occaisonally. :D

[Aqualung]

TNBiologist wrote: I do not carry a gun for protection and I only know of one person who does, my uncle does sometimes when he is picking up livestock medications from the Co-op. People do feel better having a gun at home IF its needed but few carry in everyday life. A gun is teh great equalizer. I travel a lot for work and my wife is left alone for weeks. I know that she can fire a gun if need be but she has never had to, thankfully.
My uncle packs at least two guns every time he leaves the house. Then again, he used to be (still is?) a drug dealer, and used to live in one of the most crime-ridden chicago suburbs, so I guess some things never leave you.

Guns have probably saved his life on a number of occaisons.

[britboy]

Well I think I'll formally claim victory in the 'would guns work in the UK' argument as no-one provided a good counter. :)

Looks like the board is agreed on that one! Cool! Now I'll move on to the US.

[chilirainbow]

I do carry for protection. I have had my CCW for 4 years now, and have had to draw my weapon 3 times. Once when traveling through Alabama, and twice at a shopping mall in Houston, TX. Thank God I have never had to pull the trigger. Each time the POS dropped his weapon, (knives and guns) and I called the police. Had they not disarmed themselves, they would not be alive today. Situational awareness and training allowed me to produce my weapon before they could get theirs in a usable position.

A firearm is just a tool. You must train yourself to be ready to pull the trigger, but have enough restraint to realize if deadly force is necessary.

Having lived in Europe for several years (Ireland, and Germany), I came to appreciate how good life is in the US. And, it really doesn't bother me when foreigners express their opinions about the US. Their opinions don't really matter anyway. It not like they can change our laws to suit their wants.

And yess I also live a blessed life, as a person. Not as a subject.

[Demonic Spoon]

britboy wrote: I travelled round places where guns are prevelant (including the US). I just felt slightly sorry for the people there that they lived in a country where they felt they needed to be armed to be safe. They needed the capability to kill anyone as they went shopping for their diapers or their golf clubs. Just an underlying feeling, as you see the pregnant lady spending money she can't really afford on a gun that she hopes to god she's never needs, that something is going wrong within the society.

I am very lucky. In my country no-one needs to carry a loaded gun around! I'm safe from guns, so is my wife, so are my kids! For free! Always! We take it for granted! No spending money on firearms, ever. No risk of accident to anyone, ever. No spending more money and time and effort learning about guns, ever. There is no point .. not even criminals have them. Fantastic. I think I'll spend the cash I've saved on guns, ammo and training on something else. Perhaps buy a nicer car than our 'no gun control' neighbours. They can have a 5 years old Ford as they have to spend the rest on protecting themselves. I have no-one to protect myself against! Think I'll buy a brand new Ford personally! Hey, if a nutter wants to beat me up, I know he hasn't got a gun. That's a really nice detail. One more worry off my mind.

There is virtually no chance anyone that breaks into my house will have a gun. That makes me feel good. It's nice knowing criminals have a very,very difficult time getting armed, and there's no point in them doing it anyway. I'm feeling real safe now!

I know that my friend that works in a convenience store has virtually no chance of being held up at gun point. Wow this is a nice place to live.

I know that if my neighbour is having an argument with his wife, he doesn't have the option to blow her brains out. Wow that's kind of cool. There will never be an illegal discharge where I live, no matter where I live, in my country. My kids will never hear a gunshot in their entire lives. Society is safer than that. We've moved beyond guns, all of us. We're gonna enjoy trusting each other and our government. You can join the party any time you like.

Furthermore, excellent, I know there are no 'wanna be tough men' who go around with an armed weapon just because they feel 'cool, tough and dangerous'. The best they manage is a knife.

The exceptions to this rule are so rare, they can virtually be discounted.

I really do, truly, hope one day all countries will be able to live in the safety and security that a gun-free society offers. If you never have, and you spend time worrying about how to defend yourself when you SHOULD be down the local having a beer or three with your friends:- trust me, you really don't know what you are missing (and will presume I'm lying about the above in some way and we're all madly being raped and burgled over here .. but imagine for a second .. what if we're not! ).

Really now? Is that why the overall violent crime rate in Britain is many times higher than that in the USA?

[shrub buster]

britboy- I don't think it's true that your country has no gun crime but it's obvious that it's so low as to probably be seldom noticed. My country Canada has a little less than a third of the gun killings that the U.S. has but I think that is because the U.S. guns are being shipped accross our border. That is the only reason I care about their problem and they're welcome to gun each other down as much as they like if they keep it in their own country. I thind the only way they will ever grow and learn to stop the gun violence with some sensible anti-gun measures is if they lose enough of their population to gun violence. They seem incapable of understanding any other lessons we try to teach them about their guns. How many times have we heard, 'guns don't kill, people kill', or other such weakminded variations of that argument?

Here's the stats from 94.

Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.

I find it rather humourous that they never get the message! If they live by the gun they will die by the gun. Who of us in other countries really cares! They make it abundantly clear that it is their choice and their business and they wouldn't feel free without their guns in their glove complartments, in their bedrooms, under their chairs, tucked in their belts, under their beds, in their noses, behind their ears, etc. LOL

[Lucky Luke]

chilirainbow wrote: I do carry for protection. I have had my CCW for 4 years now, and have had to draw my weapon 3 times. Once when traveling through Alabama, and twice at a shopping mall in Houston, TX. Thank God I have never had to pull the trigger. Each time the POS dropped his weapon, (knives and guns) and I called the police. Had they not disarmed themselves, they would not be alive today. Situational awareness and training allowed me to produce my weapon before they could get theirs in a usable position.

A firearm is just a tool. You must train yourself to be ready to pull the trigger, but have enough restraint to realize if deadly force is necessary.

Having lived in Europe for several years (Ireland, and Germany), I came to appreciate how good life is in the US. And, it really doesn't bother me when foreigners express their opinions about the US. Their opinions don't really matter anyway. It not like they can change our laws to suit their wants.

And yess I also live a blessed life, as a person. Not as a subject.

I heard you lived in Europe for several years Chilirainbow, how may times did you get stabbed, shot at and killed?

It must be more than 3 times if you stayed in Europe 4 years for you to conclude that your life is better blessed where you are under threat from criminals armed with knives or firearms that often?

You must have been such a scared little thing left in Europe for a few years without your gun to help you sleep at night.
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[Lucky Luke]

Demonic Spoon wrote:

Really now? Is that why the overall violent crime rate in Britain is many times higher than that in the USA?

Is it? Where? When?

You have 1.11364 more chances to be robbed in the UK than in the US.

Quote: Robberies (per capita) by country
United Kingdom 1.57433 per 1,000 people
United States 1.38527 per 1,000 people
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rob_percap-crime-robberies-per-capita


You have 1.01469 more chances to be assaulted in the US than in the UK.

Quote: Assaults (per capita) by country
United States 7.56923 per 1,000 people
United Kingdom 7.45959 per 1,000 people
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_percap-crime-assaults-per-capita

You have 2.11939 more chances to be raped in the US than in the UK.

Quote: Rapes (per capita) by country
United States 0.301318 per 1,000 people
United Kingdom 0.142172 per 1,000 people
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

You have 3.043524 more chances to be murdered in the US than in the UK.

Quote: Murders (per capita) by country
United States 0.042802 per 1,000 people
United Kingdom 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

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[Lucky Luke]

shrub buster wrote: britboy- I don't think it's true that your country has no gun crime but it's obvious that it's so low as to probably be seldom noticed. My country Canada has a little less than a third of the gun killings that the U.S. has but I think that is because the U.S. guns are being shipped accross our border. That is the only reason I care about their problem and they're welcome to gun each other down as much as they like if they keep it in their own country. I thind the only way they will ever grow and learn to stop the gun violence with some sensible anti-gun measures is if they lose enough of their population to gun violence. They seem incapable of understanding any other lessons we try to teach them about their guns. How many times have we heard, 'guns don't kill, people kill', or other such weakminded variations of that argument?

Here's the stats from 94.

Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.

I find it rather humourous that they never get the message! If they live by the gun they will die by the gun. Who of us in other countries really cares! They make it abundantly clear that it is their choice and their business and they wouldn't feel free without their guns in their glove complartments, in their bedrooms, under their chairs, tucked in their belts, under their beds, in their noses, behind their ears, etc. LOL

In the case of Northern Ireland and Israel, the world has intervened to stop the bloodshed. I propose a peace process in America with a road map to impose strict gun control laws.

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[chilirainbow]

I heard you lived in Europe for several years Chilirainbow, how may times did you get stabbed, shot at and killed?

It must be more than 3 times if you stayed in Europe 4 years for you to conclude that your life is better blessed where you are under threat from criminals armed with knives or firearms that often?

You must have been such a scared little thing left in Europe for a few years without your gun to help you sleep at night.
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Nice try.

In Ireland, I was 11. My father was robbed at gunpiont walking to his car from the chemical plant he worked at.

I was in the military while in Germany. My wife and I were robbed at gunpoint at the Frankfurt airport. WE nitified the police, but they just took our statement. They didnt even look for the guy.

Europe isn't as safe as you make it out to be. You quote statistics, which are usualy skewed to the point of view of the person collecting the data, and then make assinine assumptions as to the feelings of others.
Making remarks about something that you really have no experience with makes you look like a fool.

Your arguments are laughable and holow.
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"There are lies, damn lies, and then theres statistics." Mark Twain

[shrub buster]

lluke, you said: "In the case of Northern Ireland and Israel, the world has intervened to stop the bloodshed. I propose a peace process in America with a road map to impose strict gun control laws."

They need to be more peaceful and they need to lose their guns but I don't think anyone outside their country can help them to learn. They have to do it themselves and I think the only way is if they suffer more consequences of their gun violence. I think it's only going to get worse before it gets better.

chilirainbow, you said: "In Ireland, I was 11. My father was robbed at gunpiont walking to his car from the chemical plant he worked at."

"I was in the military while in Germany. My wife and I were robbed at gunpoint at the Frankfurt airport. WE nitified the police, but they just took our statement. They didnt even look for the guy."


Then the law of averages would say that you would have been robbed in the U.S. roughly 11.48 times if you spent the same amount of time in the U.S. (14.24/1.24=11.48) And if you were robbed at gunpoint in the U.S. that many times then the law of averages would say that you probably got your wife and yourself shot a few times. How many times have you been shot while living in the U.S?

Do you really know for sure that the police didn't look for the guy that robbed you? In Germany where there are so few gunpoint robberies it would seem to me that they would have plenty of time to go after gun robbers. I think their statistics indicate that they have been doing something right. Are you just assuming that they didn't look for the gun packing goon who robbed you or have you made up a story to suit your ideology? I don't know how you can say that for sure!

And your father would have been robbed at gunpoint roughly twice if he spent the same amount of time in the U.S. as he did in Ireland. It's stating to sound to me that your family has an affinity for stickups!

[lilwolf]

britboy,
In my line of work I do carry a concealed weapon. Not because I truly enjoy it, but because I am safer if i do carry one. Not everyone here feels a deep seated need to carry or own a weapon. In europe (as is here) no one is totally safe. There will always be crooks, It is indeed a good thing that you have never had to experience having someone break in and rob you or something worse. I also would count my blessings on that as well.
I have had some bad experiences but all in all my home is pretty safe and my girlfriend does not carry a gun nor does she have a need to. That's a good thing. LL is always going after gun control. There are things he is hung up on and things he will never get either. For what ever reason they are it is often funny to watch him going after an item like a gun.
Anyway, all in all count your blessings my friend. :-D