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[theshield]

thatisnotme wrote: theshield wrote: What make you think that the EU gives a damn about Israel? They think they can appease the Muslims, and if the price is sacrificing few Jews WTF.

Israel is a democracy and shares many values with the West. Also, the greatest danger comes from Iran. With its nuclear programs and missiles, every European nation could be a target. Also, the EU is part of NATO, along with the US. Should the US comes to aid Israel, which would happen if Israel was attacked, Nato (or the EU, since most are part of both organizations) would have to respond.

Both You and i know that Israel is western democracy as west Europe.But they don't see is that way.Look at their biased media,policies,boycotts.Travel a bit in Europe and introduce yourself as an Israeli and you will see.Europeans are afraid from the Muslims communities.They had riots/explosions in London,Madrid,Paris etc... In a pole conducted in Europe Israel was voted as the greatest threat to peace world.They believe that only if Israel didn't exist it would have been paradise.

[23KIA]

There is some merit to the assertion that no Israel = peace. Israel is certainly a flash point, but it is mostly the vehicle used by those who waould have all western influence removed from the region.

You see, Israel is has always been the most tangible representation of American ad European interference in local nationalism. The Islamic crazies want every country in the region to be run by theocracy, a fundementalist islamic state in each. They are well-versed in their history, and how the area was more or less cut up by Britain after WWII. Europe (Britain) created countries such as Iraw, Syria and Lebanon and sought to use them in an attempt to counter Soviet Bolshevism.
These lines in the sand bely centuries of tribal movement and allegience that remains to this day.

New allgiances are being formed though, centered around Islam, directed by those perverting the religion to obtain the politcal power they deeply desire

[thatisnotme]

theshield wrote: thatisnotme wrote: theshield wrote: What make you think that the EU gives a damn about Israel? They think they can appease the Muslims, and if the price is sacrificing few Jews WTF.

Israel is a democracy and shares many values with the West. Also, the greatest danger comes from Iran. With its nuclear programs and missiles, every European nation could be a target. Also, the EU is part of NATO, along with the US. Should the US comes to aid Israel, which would happen if Israel was attacked, Nato (or the EU, since most are part of both organizations) would have to respond.

Both You and i know that Israel is western democracy as west Europe.But they don't see is that way.Look at their biased media,policies,boycotts.Travel a bit in Europe and introduce yourself as an Israeli and you will see.Europeans are afraid from the Muslims communities.They had riots/explosions in London,Madrid,Paris etc... In a pole conducted in Europe Israel was voted as the greatest threat to peace world.They believe that only if Israel didn't exist it would have been paradise.

Regardless of what the population thinks, it is their governments that decide, and the EU with its obligation under NATO would have to go along with the US in the event that Israel were to be attacked.

I deplore what many Europeans are doing to appease their Muslim minority, but many are learning fast that appeasement will only feed the thirst that is unsatiable. Denmark, in the cartoon controversy, Holland, in the Van Gogh murder, France in the Muslim riots, are all getting a quick lesson in that department.

[theshield]

thatisnotme wrote: theshield wrote: thatisnotme wrote: theshield wrote: What make you think that the EU gives a damn about Israel? They think they can appease the Muslims, and if the price is sacrificing few Jews WTF.

Israel is a democracy and shares many values with the West. Also, the greatest danger comes from Iran. With its nuclear programs and missiles, every European nation could be a target. Also, the EU is part of NATO, along with the US. Should the US comes to aid Israel, which would happen if Israel was attacked, Nato (or the EU, since most are part of both organizations) would have to respond.

Both You and i know that Israel is western democracy as west Europe.But they don't see is that way.Look at their biased media,policies,boycotts.Travel a bit in Europe and introduce yourself as an Israeli and you will see.Europeans are afraid from the Muslims communities.They had riots/explosions in London,Madrid,Paris etc... In a pole conducted in Europe Israel was voted as the greatest threat to peace world.They believe that only if Israel didn't exist it would have been paradise.

Regardless of what the population thinks, it is their governments that decide, and the EU with its obligation under NATO would have to go along with the US in the event that Israel were to be attacked.

I deplore what many Europeans are doing to appease their Muslim minority, but many are learning fast that appeasement will only feed the thirst that is unsatiable. Denmark, in the cartoon controversy, Holland, in the Van Gogh murder, France in the Muslim riots, are all getting a quick lesson in that department.

Israel is not a member of NATO.If Israel will be attacked and worst come to worst only then i believe U.S. will intervene.But that will be only in a very extreme case.Other than the Americans i wouldn't expect anyone to intervene.Look at the history of Europe and tell me whether you honestly believe they will risk their lives for bunch of Jews?

[thatisnotme]

theshield wrote: thatisnotme wrote: theshield wrote: thatisnotme wrote: theshield wrote: What make you think that the EU gives a damn about Israel? They think they can appease the Muslims, and if the price is sacrificing few Jews WTF.

Israel is a democracy and shares many values with the West. Also, the greatest danger comes from Iran. With its nuclear programs and missiles, every European nation could be a target. Also, the EU is part of NATO, along with the US. Should the US comes to aid Israel, which would happen if Israel was attacked, Nato (or the EU, since most are part of both organizations) would have to respond.

Both You and i know that Israel is western democracy as west Europe.But they don't see is that way.Look at their biased media,policies,boycotts.Travel a bit in Europe and introduce yourself as an Israeli and you will see.Europeans are afraid from the Muslims communities.They had riots/explosions in London,Madrid,Paris etc... In a pole conducted in Europe Israel was voted as the greatest threat to peace world.They believe that only if Israel didn't exist it would have been paradise.

Regardless of what the population thinks, it is their governments that decide, and the EU with its obligation under NATO would have to go along with the US in the event that Israel were to be attacked.

I deplore what many Europeans are doing to appease their Muslim minority, but many are learning fast that appeasement will only feed the thirst that is unsatiable. Denmark, in the cartoon controversy, Holland, in the Van Gogh murder, France in the Muslim riots, are all getting a quick lesson in that department.

Israel is not a member of NATO.If Israel will be attacked and worst come to worst only then i believe U.S. will intervene.But that will be only in a very extreme case.Other than the Americans i wouldn't expect anyone to intervene.Look at the history of Europe and tell me whether you honestly believe they will risk their lives for bunch of Jews?

The US would make sure that the EU fulfills its NATO obligation. I agree with you that it would have to be a worse-case scenario. Nevertheless, look at what is happening in Rome, right now. Condi has told everyone there, including Annan, that the US will not go for a ceasefire. Why? Because she knows that Israel needs more time to root out Hezbollah from Southern Lebanon. She knows that a ceasefire would be declared as a victory for Hezbollah. She also knows that if the US says no to a ceasefire, the EU and the UN have no choice but to gruntly go along. The reality is that the US is the only superpower. And as long as the US does not relinquish its leadership role, the rest of the world cannot ignore US wishes.