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[David2004]

Only by a truly international effort can the Israeli crisis in the Middle East be resolved once and for all. It will be the United States and Israel verses the community of nations of the world with a very few exceptions. The platform and manner that the difference between the parties can be resolved will be up to the United States and Israel. Basically they have two choices with the first being they continue to dictate term and conditions that will eventually led to more wars and military conflicts as it has for the last sixty years. Or two we can change course drastically opening the whole crisis before an International Tribunal that will dictate terms and condition on matters that have not already been resolved by the parties of concern The International Tribunal ruling will have to be imposed onto the parties of concern.

The latter of the two choices will require at least a twenty year twelve-step program to peace and security. With the United Nations, League of Arab Nations, NATO, European Union and the NGO’s of humanity coming together for a twenty year mission. Israel and the United States will be called before the International Tribunal as well as any other nations or people involved war crimes related to this crisis. Each side will have a chance to present their case with the International Tribunal making the final ruling which is a ruling of a settlement more than punishment.

Any military aggressive action taken by any of the parties involved after the International Peacekeepers have entered the region will be judged much more harshly than war crimes committed in the past.

· Stop the fighting
· Move in International Peacekeepers
· Set-up the Peace table for long term negations
· Set-up long term international relief efforts
· Set up the International Tribunal
· Resolve the agreeable difference outside the International Tribunal
· International Tribunal gives ruling on unsettled matters
· Enforcement of International Tribunal rulings
· The monitoring of the situation on the ground
· Fine tuning of any problems
· The dismembering of the International Tribunal
· A world wide celebration for peace

[superskippy]

There will never be an International Tribunal to decide how we will make policy or provide and operate for our own security. The International Communities role is not to interfere or get involved on the ground, it is to wait until both of us decide what we want the International Community to do. If we think we need peacekeepers we will ask for peace keepers, if we want arbitration we will ask for it. We will not have it enforced on us or thrust upon us.

[mr_happy]

Hey, wait, didn't the arabs break the first international agreement in 1948? Oh wait they did :)

[SaladFingers]

mr_happy wrote: Hey, wait, didn't the arabs break the first international agreement in 1948? Oh wait they did :)

There are deep seeded hatreds in the Middle East. Hatreds that go back to Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar the maid servant, and who the true heir is to Gods promised Kingdom to Abraham.

Its racial hatred, and you'll never end it. Some say it wont end till the end of the world, or unless we engage in nuclear war and kill each other (might be good *shrugs*).

Best solution that'll minimize casualties, have Israel build their giant barrier wall, and allow pilgramages into Jerusalem (tight security checkpoints).. and have the Arabs have the rest of the middle east to themselves.

[mai]

Yep, the Middle east will never be in peace. They will always fight for it. But it's not an issue of racism, I wish it was that simple. Many regions in the world had racism-inflicted wars and at some point, those wars ended and things were settled. The reason behind all this is the land itself, the most important region of the world, the holliest, and one of the most historic.

[thatisnotme]

The fighting will stop when the Palestinians will stop dreaming of pushing the Jews into the sea, give up their arm resistance and accept UN resolution 181 of 1947, which called upon two states -- one for the Jews, which they did accept in 1948 and proclaim the state of Israel; and another state for the Palestinians, who up to now have refused to do so.

[haouiko]

you are innocent

but the steps to get peace in the world is

-erase this criminal organisation named israel

-the nations of islam own the power of nuclear arms

-the glourious peoples of afganistain ,lebanon ,palestine , irak continues lutte againste usa and israel


until we finish with usa and israel als we have make in our past with ocuppante ennemies als mogole , tatar , holako , jinkis khan
and lately the moujahidin with urss

[superskippy]

Right... Dammit why did we get so few good posters when the flood of users joined.

[David2004]

The Israelis claim to be and see themselves as the victims of the Arabs. The Arabs claim to be the victim of the Israelis excessive military force. The Palestinians are caught in the middle trying to regain a small portion of their homeland. Clearly most of the nations of the international community see the Palestinian the victim of this life long crisis. With the only major exception being the United States who clearly supports the Israeli military aggression against the Arab people of the Middle East.

The United States and Israel governments are threatening the current governments of Syria and Iran and attack Lebanon. The Lebanese government was unable to control the build-up of the Hezbollah militants on the Israeli border. This military build-up happen over several years with the United Nations Security Council and Israel watching and doing nothing until Israel took their illegal military action. The United States government supplying Israel with the military hardware including bombs and missiles is in violation of the Geneva Convention.

If the United States ever started to be even handed in this life long crisis they would be targeted by the Israeli rightwing fanatics who control the Israeli government. There is very little room for compromise in this crisis and the Israeli have to make the majority of concessions. War Crimes should be brought against the United States and the State of Israel to resolve the crisis once and for all. The Palestinians and Israelis will have the most to gain with peace and security in this crisis. Although neither side will be total happy with the final settlement until long-term peace prevails in the region.

Israel and the United States must down size their military presents in the Middle East. Lebanon must build-up their national military police and National Guard becoming a role model for the region. A better balance between the allocation of resources nations spend on military and humanitarian needs will make the world a safer and more secure place. The nations of “haves” must lead by example and not by military force.

[previsionary]

Quote: · Stop the fighting
· Move in International Peacekeepers
· Set-up the Peace table for long term negations
· Set-up long term international relief efforts
· Set up the International Tribunal
· Resolve the agreeable difference outside the International Tribunal
· International Tribunal gives ruling on unsettled matters
· Enforcement of International Tribunal rulings
· The monitoring of the situation on the ground
· Fine tuning of any problems
· The dismembering of the International Tribunal
· A world wide celebration for peace

Sort of reminds me of Post WW2.

[thatisnotme]

David2004 wrote: Only by a truly international effort can the Israeli crisis in the Middle East be resolved once and for all. It will be the United States and Israel verses the community of nations of the world with a very few exceptions. The platform and manner that the difference between the parties can be resolved will be up to the United States and Israel. Basically they have two choices with the first being they continue to dictate term and conditions that will eventually led to more wars and military conflicts as it has for the last sixty years. Or two we can change course drastically opening the whole crisis before an International Tribunal that will dictate terms and condition on matters that have not already been resolved by the parties of concern The International Tribunal ruling will have to be imposed onto the parties of concern.

The latter of the two choices will require at least a twenty year twelve-step program to peace and security. With the United Nations, League of Arab Nations, NATO, European Union and the NGO’s of humanity coming together for a twenty year mission. Israel and the United States will be called before the International Tribunal as well as any other nations or people involved war crimes related to this crisis. Each side will have a chance to present their case with the International Tribunal making the final ruling which is a ruling of a settlement more than punishment.

Any military aggressive action taken by any of the parties involved after the International Peacekeepers have entered the region will be judged much more harshly than war crimes committed in the past.

· Stop the fighting
· Move in International Peacekeepers
· Set-up the Peace table for long term negations
· Set-up long term international relief efforts
· Set up the International Tribunal
· Resolve the agreeable difference outside the International Tribunal
· International Tribunal gives ruling on unsettled matters
· Enforcement of International Tribunal rulings
· The monitoring of the situation on the ground
· Fine tuning of any problems
· The dismembering of the International Tribunal
· A world wide celebration for peace

Plese explain to me why the Palestinians rejected UN resolution 181 in 1947 that called for two states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs?

Please explain to me why in 2006, the Palestinians still are rejecting UN resolution 181 of 1947?

Please explain to me why the Palestinians haven't declared their state as they have every right to do so according to UN resolution 181?

[previsionary]

Quote: Plese explain to me why the Palestinians rejected UN resolution 181 in 1947 that called for two states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs?

Simple it was rejected because there was NOT an Israeli state prior to this time. The Paletinians were living in peace until than.

[thatisnotme]

previsionary wrote: Quote: Plese explain to me why the Palestinians rejected UN resolution 181 in 1947 that called for two states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs?

Simple it was rejected because there was NOT an Israeli state prior to this time. The Paletinians were living in peace until than.

In peace??? A look at the history book tells a different tale. There were violent conflicts between the Jews and the Arabs for more than two decades, why England -- which had the mandate over the territory but needed to rebuild its own country after WW2 -- turned to the UN for a resolution. Both groups were vying fiercely for statehood. The UN's answer to the problem was resolution 181: two states -- a solution that has been adopted by the international community.

[superskippy]

previsionary wrote: Quote: Plese explain to me why the Palestinians rejected UN resolution 181 in 1947 that called for two states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs?

Simple it was rejected because there was NOT an Israeli state prior to this time. The Paletinians were living in peace until than.

No they werent we had been fighting each other in a low intensity guerilla conflict and cloak and dagger war that killed more than 4,000 by the time partition was declared.

They could have had their own country, but that meant the Jews got part of the land as their country as well. They chose the bullet and the gun as their answer. We responded in kind, and as it has turned out we're better at it then they are.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

thatisnotme wrote: Plese explain to me why the Palestinians rejected UN resolution 181 in 1947 that called for two states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs?

In simplistic terms, that's because they firmly believed that most of the people who came to Israel were European colonialists and do not belong there.

thatisnotme wrote: Please explain to me why in 2006, the Palestinians still are rejecting UN resolution 181 of 1947?

Please explain to me why the Palestinians haven't declared their state as they have every right to do so according to UN resolution 181?

In simplistic terms, that's because they will not get the borders they would like to have if they declare their state unilaterally.

[thatisnotme]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: thatisnotme wrote: Plese explain to me why the Palestinians rejected UN resolution 181 in 1947 that called for two states, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs?

In simplistic terms, that's because they firmly believed that most of the people who came to Israel were European colonialists and do not belong there.

thatisnotme wrote: Please explain to me why in 2006, the Palestinians still are rejecting UN resolution 181 of 1947?

Please explain to me why the Palestinians haven't declared their state as they have every right to do so according to UN resolution 181?

In simplistic terms, that's because they will not get the borders they would like to have if they declare their state unilaterally.

Colombus (Colonialist from Colombus) took possession of the land in America in the name of the Spanish crown. I don't recall that the Jews did a similar thing. The Jews came to Palestine -- as it was known during the British mandate -- as immigrants, not as colonialists.

As to your other point, that's because they will not get the borders they would like to have if they declare their state unilaterally, that is very true.

[Publius2006]

Peace in this region of the world can never be achieved through political agreements and treaties alone. It is going to take an intellectual revolution in the Islamic community to finally stamp out the militant Islamic fundamentalists. It will take a change in the way that Muslims in the region view their society, and that is much more difficult than any 12 step program could ever solve. Change will have to come from within the Islamic community; there is only so much that the rest of the world can do.

[Zoot]

Peace in the Middle East would require the people of the Middle East to control their own resources. That's not in the interests of the powerful countries of the world, and is thus unlikely to happen.

[ATrow]

Quote: · Stop the fighting
· Move in International Peacekeepers
· Set-up the Peace table for long term negations
· Set-up long term international relief efforts
· Set up the International Tribunal
· Resolve the agreeable difference outside the International Tribunal
· International Tribunal gives ruling on unsettled matters
· Enforcement of International Tribunal rulings
· The monitoring of the situation on the ground
· Fine tuning of any problems
· The dismembering of the International Tribunal
· A world wide celebration for peace

That's fantastic! You work on "stopping the fighting" and I'll start planning the "world-wide celebration for peace".

The problem with "twelve steps" is that each step is within itself a multitude of steps. If you have any ideas about stopping the fighting in the Middle East I'm all ears.

[theshield]

Publius2006 wrote: Peace in this region of the world can never be achieved through political agreements and treaties alone. It is going to take an intellectual revolution in the Islamic community to finally stamp out the militant Islamic fundamentalists. It will take a change in the way that Muslims in the region view their society, and that is much more difficult than any 12 step program could ever solve. Change will have to come from within the Islamic community; there is only so much that the rest of the world can do.

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