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Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 7911 Location: The Great Satan

I'm no homophobe, but I used to be a psychology student. Anybody think it's feasible? The physiological responses of "arousal" and "disgust" are two distinguishable phenomenons. If I remember correctly, preseminal and vaginal fluid is detectable at the microscopic level far sooner than than is apparent to even the person. And so, it might work to make somebody watch a series of homosexual pornographic films while recording their pulse, blood pressure, breathing, and GSR, then use a cotton swab on them afterwards. The results would be distinguishable whether they were gay or not.

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

:roll: As if heterosexual people couldn't or wouldn't be aroused by same sex pornographic material? Isn't that what you're alluding to?

That homosexual people are arounsed by same sex acts, but that heterosexuals wouldn't be? Or they wouldn't be on the same level?

Quote: The results would be distinguishable whether they were gay or not.

Exactly what is it you're trying to say and/or accomplish then?

Hyde · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject:

what would be the point of doing something like that? if your gay, you know your gay. you dont need someone to tell you that you are.

X-Shocker · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 167 Location: All around you

Nathyn wrote: I'm no homophobe, but I used to be a psychology student. Anybody think it's feasible? The physiological responses of "arousal" and "disgust" are two distinguishable phenomenons. If I remember correctly, preseminal and vaginal fluid is detectable at the microscopic level far sooner than than is apparent to even the person. And so, it might work to make somebody watch a series of homosexual pornographic films while recording their pulse, blood pressure, breathing, and GSR, then use a cotton swab on them afterwards. The results would be distinguishable whether they were gay or not.

I am a man. I get disgusted looking male-male sex or another man's penis. I get very aroused by the naked body of any female and/or two females going at it. I get the most arousal from male-female porns: penis pounding Kitty Cats. Does that make me somewhat gay?

bob.appleyard · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 7747 Location: Manchestar, innit

I would mess the test up, because I'm biexual.

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 7911 Location: The Great Satan

TheGirlNextDoor wrote: :roll: As if heterosexual people couldn't or wouldn't be aroused by same sex pornographic material? Isn't that what you're alluding to?

That homosexual people are arounsed by same sex acts, but that heterosexuals wouldn't be? Or they wouldn't be on the same level?

Quote: The results would be distinguishable whether they were gay or not.

Exactly what is it you're trying to say and/or accomplish then?
No, they wouldn't. No offense, but I think gay porn is revolting. Some people I know would literally actually get sick.

Hyde wrote: what would be the point of doing something like that? if your gay, you know your gay. you dont need someone to tell you that you are.
I figured it's something that homophobic Christians could pay for. While the idea itself is admittedly deplorable, at least it would prevent paranoid Christian parents from sending confused heterosexual kids to anti-gay camps.

X-Shocker wrote: Nathyn wrote: I'm no homophobe, but I used to be a psychology student. Anybody think it's feasible? The physiological responses of "arousal" and "disgust" are two distinguishable phenomenons. If I remember correctly, preseminal and vaginal fluid is detectable at the microscopic level far sooner than than is apparent to even the person. And so, it might work to make somebody watch a series of homosexual pornographic films while recording their pulse, blood pressure, breathing, and GSR, then use a cotton swab on them afterwards. The results would be distinguishable whether they were gay or not.

I am a man. I get disgusted looking male-male sex or another man's penis. I get very aroused by the naked body of any female and/or two females going at it. I get the most arousal from male-female porns: penis pounding Kitty Cats. Does that make me somewhat gay?
Probably not, because sexual arousal is primarily as a result of mental thoughts, not physical actions and perceptions. Male-female pornography is more arousing because you imagine that you are that guy, whereas in lesbian pornography, there's no one there for you to project yourself upon.

micfranklin · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject:

"Congratulations, you're officially gay."

You don't want people going around and saying that, do you?

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 7911 Location: The Great Satan

micfranklin wrote: "Congratulations, you're officially gay."

You don't want people going around and saying that, do you? '
No, but it would be nice to hear...

"STFU, GUYS! HERE ARE MY TEST RESULTS, SEE?! I'M NOT GAY!"

micfranklin · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject:

Nathyn wrote: micfranklin wrote: "Congratulations, you're officially gay."

You don't want people going around and saying that, do you? '
No, but it would be nice to hear...

"STFU, GUYS! HERE ARE MY TEST RESULTS, SEE?! I'M NOT GAY!"

It would be funny, too :lol: :lol: :lol:

TNBiologist · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 962 Location: Tennessee

Why would you? People know if they are gay or straight. A test would not tell them anything they didn't already know. Not to mention your science is flawed. By measuring heart rate and beath rate you are invalidating such a test. True peoples heart rates breathing rates go up when arroused but they also go up when someone is uncomfortable such as when watching a gay porn if they are straight or just being hooked up to monitors actually make some people uncomfortable. As for the sexual excreations, are you going to show only one type of porn and if so will it be guy on guy for men and women on women for women? I'm straight but two girls going at it turn me on as do straight couples. Show me a bunch of lesbian porn and I would test positive for being gay in your study.

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 7911 Location: The Great Satan

TNBiologist wrote: Why would you? People know if they are gay or straight. A test would not tell them anything they didn't already know. Not to mention your science is flawed. By measuring heart rate and beath rate you are invalidating such a test. True peoples heart rates breathing rates go up when arroused but they also go up when someone is uncomfortable such as when watching a gay porn if they are straight or just being hooked up to monitors actually make some people uncomfortable. As for the sexual excreations, are you going to show only one type of porn and if so will it be guy on guy for men and women on women for women? I'm straight but two girls going at it turn me on as do straight couples. Show me a bunch of lesbian porn and I would test positive for being gay in your study.
People don't necessarily know and it would be empirical evidence to show to others. I.E., parents, family, friends, etc. For instance, in the case of people who are in denial about their homosexuality or who come to terms with it after being married to an opposite-sex partner, it would be helpful.

Also, to girls going at it, that's different: You are a guy. It would have to involve solely the opposite sex as (obviously) even straight men enjoy lesbian porn and enjoying lesbians doesn't make you a lesbian.

Furthermore, I'm not sure whether disgust makes the heart rate, breathing, or GSR climb, but it might because of stress. Even so, I'd still wager that there's a noticeable difference, in some respect.

Looking at it further, I see that there are other signs of sexual arousal that are distinct from disgust:
Blushing
Erect nipples.
A number of things which happen with male genitalia.

All three of which are again measurable, likely even at the smallest of levels.

TNBiologist · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 962 Location: Tennessee

Nathyn wrote: People don't necessarily know and it would be empirical evidence to show to others. I.E., parents, family, friends, etc. For instance, in the case of people who are in denial about their homosexuality or who come to terms with it after being married to an opposite-sex partner, it would be helpful.

Also, to girls going at it, that's different: You are a guy. It would have to involve solely the opposite sex as (obviously) even straight men enjoy lesbian porn and enjoying lesbians doesn't make you a lesbian.

Furthermore, I'm not sure whether disgust makes the heart rate, breathing, or GSR climb, but it might because of stress. Even so, I'd still wager that there's a noticeable difference, in some respect.

Looking at it further, I see that there are other signs of sexual arousal that are distinct from disgust:
Blushing
Erect nipples.
A number of things which happen with male genitalia.

All three of which are again measurable, likely even at the smallest of levels.

Your science is still flawed, not to mention I disagree with whole idea on face value. For any data to be statically valid you need at least 3 data sets. Therefore you would have to run the test at least three times on each person. Stress does effect heart rate and breathing rates, it can be argued that making people watch something that they are very uncomfortable with causes stress which triggers a rise in heart rate and breathing. Erect nipples can be caused by sexual arousal but also by cold temperatures and chaffing do to clothing. There are too many variables in a test such as the one you are suggesting for it to be looked at as scientifically valid without breaking down each and every body action into a separate category and then you have to face that each cartegory can be challanged on the basis that more than one factor can cause the physical reactions that you listed.

F'losrix · Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject:

Nathyn wrote: I figured it's something that homophobic Christians could pay for. While the idea itself is admittedly deplorable, at least it would prevent paranoid Christian parents from sending confused heterosexual kids to anti-gay camps.

And give them the impetus to send their gay kids to them.

Not to mention the problems of purposely exposing impressionable teens to pornography, possibly against their will.

F'losrix · Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject:

Supposing the person doesn't find the particular acts or the performers arousing, despite the underlying orientation?

Believe it or not, there are people (including gay people), who find pornography disgusting, period.