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[Blinky]

airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
:-D

:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.



I take that to mean that they eventually do take their holster off after they've been inside for a while - probably once they go to cook dinner or watch TV.
So what I originally said still stands, airo. Once they're in front of the stove or on the sofa and a maniac kicks down their door, their gun is worth about as much as their kitchen knives - nothing.

I don't know about you, but when i get dressed, which is usually the first thing i do in the morning, i stay dressed all day, until i go to sleep.

I mean, you may like to remove your pants randomly throughout the day, but i don't think the majority of people do ;)

Maybe we have differing ideas on what a holster is. The kind I refer to is an accessory like a belt, or the under-arm kind, concealable under a jacket. Neither requires taking off your pants to remove them.
So, your friends carry their guns at every waking moment?

Perhaps you're misinformed.

Generally speaking, two of the most common forms of concealed carry are IWB and OWB, which generally utilizes a holster threaded through your belt. It would require removing your belt from your pants in order to take the holster off.

As i said, most of the people i know who carry put their holsters on when they wake up, and remove them when they go to sleep, like every other normal human being does with their clothes.

It's not so much that they sit down to watch T.V. with a gun in their lap because they're paranoid of the door being busted down, it's that they would have to consciously remove their firearm for no reason, as you're just as likely to use it inside your own house as outside.

Essentially, yes. They carry them daily.

Do you wear pants every day?

Most days, yes. :wink:
Seroiusly though, I rarely wear a belt. I can't imagine taking a belt off to be much of a hassle, or it necessarily meaning that you have to remove your pants.

[airo]

Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
:-D

:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.



I take that to mean that they eventually do take their holster off after they've been inside for a while - probably once they go to cook dinner or watch TV.
So what I originally said still stands, airo. Once they're in front of the stove or on the sofa and a maniac kicks down their door, their gun is worth about as much as their kitchen knives - nothing.

I don't know about you, but when i get dressed, which is usually the first thing i do in the morning, i stay dressed all day, until i go to sleep.

I mean, you may like to remove your pants randomly throughout the day, but i don't think the majority of people do ;)

Maybe we have differing ideas on what a holster is. The kind I refer to is an accessory like a belt, or the under-arm kind, concealable under a jacket. Neither requires taking off your pants to remove them.
So, your friends carry their guns at every waking moment?

Perhaps you're misinformed.

Generally speaking, two of the most common forms of concealed carry are IWB and OWB, which generally utilizes a holster threaded through your belt. It would require removing your belt from your pants in order to take the holster off.

As i said, most of the people i know who carry put their holsters on when they wake up, and remove them when they go to sleep, like every other normal human being does with their clothes.

It's not so much that they sit down to watch T.V. with a gun in their lap because they're paranoid of the door being busted down, it's that they would have to consciously remove their firearm for no reason, as you're just as likely to use it inside your own house as outside.

Essentially, yes. They carry them daily.

Do you wear pants every day?

Most days, yes. :wink:
Seroiusly though, I rarely wear a belt. I can't imagine taking a belt off to be much of a hassle, or it necessarily meaning that you have to remove your pants.

I wear a belt every day, unless (Such as today.) i'm wearing pants that have some sort of tightening system built in.

Most people i know wear belts every day.

That said, why should they remove their belts, then their holsters? I mean, can you give any good reason that they should disarm themselves upon entering their homes? It is a slight hassle, especially is they enter and leave their houses more than 2 times daily. As i stated, realistically, they're just as likely to need their firearm in their house as they would on the street, and the idealogical reason to carry in both places is the same, so why should they remove their firearms upon entering their homes?

To appease you?

[airo]

Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
:-D

:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.



I take that to mean that they eventually do take their holster off after they've been inside for a while - probably once they go to cook dinner or watch TV.
So what I originally said still stands, airo. Once they're in front of the stove or on the sofa and a maniac kicks down their door, their gun is worth about as much as their kitchen knives - nothing.

I don't know about you, but when i get dressed, which is usually the first thing i do in the morning, i stay dressed all day, until i go to sleep.

I mean, you may like to remove your pants randomly throughout the day, but i don't think the majority of people do ;)

Maybe we have differing ideas on what a holster is. The kind I refer to is an accessory like a belt, or the under-arm kind, concealable under a jacket. Neither requires taking off your pants to remove them.
So, your friends carry their guns at every waking moment?

Perhaps you're misinformed.

Generally speaking, two of the most common forms of concealed carry are IWB and OWB, which generally utilizes a holster threaded through your belt. It would require removing your belt from your pants in order to take the holster off.

As i said, most of the people i know who carry put their holsters on when they wake up, and remove them when they go to sleep, like every other normal human being does with their clothes.

It's not so much that they sit down to watch T.V. with a gun in their lap because they're paranoid of the door being busted down, it's that they would have to consciously remove their firearm for no reason, as you're just as likely to use it inside your own house as outside.

Essentially, yes. They carry them daily.

Do you wear pants every day?

Most days, yes. :wink:
Seroiusly though, I rarely wear a belt. I can't imagine taking a belt off to be much of a hassle, or it necessarily meaning that you have to remove your pants.

Oh, and the pants comment had a point.

They wear their holsters like another article of clothes.

Most people who carry some type of tool daily do the same. (I do such with knives. When i get dressed, i put a knife in my pocket. Plain and simple.)

Telling them to take off such an article would essentially be like saying "You should take your pants off every time you enter you house for no apparent reason whatsoever."

[britboy]

airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
:-D

:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.



I take that to mean that they eventually do take their holster off after they've been inside for a while - probably once they go to cook dinner or watch TV.
So what I originally said still stands, airo. Once they're in front of the stove or on the sofa and a maniac kicks down their door, their gun is worth about as much as their kitchen knives - nothing.

I don't know about you, but when i get dressed, which is usually the first thing i do in the morning, i stay dressed all day, until i go to sleep.

I mean, you may like to remove your pants randomly throughout the day, but i don't think the majority of people do ;)

Maybe we have differing ideas on what a holster is. The kind I refer to is an accessory like a belt, or the under-arm kind, concealable under a jacket. Neither requires taking off your pants to remove them.
So, your friends carry their guns at every waking moment?

Perhaps you're misinformed.

Generally speaking, two of the most common forms of concealed carry are IWB and OWB, which generally utilizes a holster threaded through your belt. It would require removing your belt from your pants in order to take the holster off.

As i said, most of the people i know who carry put their holsters on when they wake up, and remove them when they go to sleep, like every other normal human being does with their clothes.

It's not so much that they sit down to watch T.V. with a gun in their lap because they're paranoid of the door being busted down, it's that they would have to consciously remove their firearm for no reason, as you're just as likely to use it inside your own house as outside.

Essentially, yes. They carry them daily.

Do you wear pants every day?

Most days, yes. :wink:
Seroiusly though, I rarely wear a belt. I can't imagine taking a belt off to be much of a hassle, or it necessarily meaning that you have to remove your pants.

Oh, and the pants comment had a point.

They wear their holsters like another article of clothes.

Most people who carry some type of tool daily do the same. (I do such with knives. When i get dressed, i put a knife in my pocket. Plain and simple.)

Telling them to take off such an article would essentially be like saying "You should take your pants off every time you enter you house for no apparent reason whatsoever."

So do you really sit around watching old re-runs of 'Dynasty' (or whatever) whilst wearing a loaded weapon?

[perdidochas]

britboy wrote:
So do you really sit around watching old re-runs of 'Dynasty' (or whatever) whilst wearing a loaded weapon?

Interesting idea. I would imagine it depends on the situation. I don't carry concealed, and the gun laws in my state are reasonable enough that I can easily carry a gun in my car, if necessary, so I don't know how CCW holders do it.

[Blinky]

airo wrote:

I wear a belt every day, unless (Such as today.) i'm wearing pants that have some sort of tightening system built in.

Most people i know wear belts every day.

That said, why should they remove their belts, then their holsters? I mean, can you give any good reason that they should disarm themselves upon entering their homes? It is a slight hassle, especially is they enter and leave their houses more than 2 times daily.

Woah, slow down there, airo. I never said they should have to remove their holsters. I just think it laughable and tragic that they feel the need to.


airo wrote: As i stated, realistically, they're just as likely to need their firearm in their house as they would on the street, and the idealogical reason to carry in both places is the same, so why should they remove their firearms upon entering their homes?

To appease you?

Just as likely to need them at home as on the street? Really? Despite the lockable door and brick walls and everything?
Why not wear a bullet-proof vest around the kitchen and to bed? I mean, you just never know...

[TNBiologist]

[quote="Blinky
Just as likely to need them at home as on the street? Really? Despite the lockable door and brick walls and everything?
Why not wear a bullet-proof vest around the kitchen and to bed? I mean, you just never know...[/quote]

Do you ever leave your door open let some light in the house? or how about putting up a window to let a breeze in so you don't have to run your airconditioner as much?

[airo]

Blinky wrote: airo wrote:

I wear a belt every day, unless (Such as today.) i'm wearing pants that have some sort of tightening system built in.

Most people i know wear belts every day.

That said, why should they remove their belts, then their holsters? I mean, can you give any good reason that they should disarm themselves upon entering their homes? It is a slight hassle, especially is they enter and leave their houses more than 2 times daily.

Woah, slow down there, airo. I never said they should have to remove their holsters. I just think it laughable and tragic that they feel the need to.


airo wrote: As i stated, realistically, they're just as likely to need their firearm in their house as they would on the street, and the idealogical reason to carry in both places is the same, so why should they remove their firearms upon entering their homes?

To appease you?

Just as likely to need them at home as on the street? Really? Despite the lockable door and brick walls and everything?
Why not wear a bullet-proof vest around the kitchen and to bed? I mean, you just never know...

I've already stated that a few months ago two armed men kicked in a door and shot a man dead.

One of the most common forms of home invasion start with a knock at the door.

It happens, and, realistically, it's just as likely to happen as being mugged at the ATM, or being carjacked at a red light.

So, you feel it's sad that one provides the ability to defend themselves? Do you advocate that people stand up to oppression, or that they allow themselves to become victims?

[airo]

britboy wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
:-D

:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.



I take that to mean that they eventually do take their holster off after they've been inside for a while - probably once they go to cook dinner or watch TV.
So what I originally said still stands, airo. Once they're in front of the stove or on the sofa and a maniac kicks down their door, their gun is worth about as much as their kitchen knives - nothing.

I don't know about you, but when i get dressed, which is usually the first thing i do in the morning, i stay dressed all day, until i go to sleep.

I mean, you may like to remove your pants randomly throughout the day, but i don't think the majority of people do ;)

Maybe we have differing ideas on what a holster is. The kind I refer to is an accessory like a belt, or the under-arm kind, concealable under a jacket. Neither requires taking off your pants to remove them.
So, your friends carry their guns at every waking moment?

Perhaps you're misinformed.

Generally speaking, two of the most common forms of concealed carry are IWB and OWB, which generally utilizes a holster threaded through your belt. It would require removing your belt from your pants in order to take the holster off.

As i said, most of the people i know who carry put their holsters on when they wake up, and remove them when they go to sleep, like every other normal human being does with their clothes.

It's not so much that they sit down to watch T.V. with a gun in their lap because they're paranoid of the door being busted down, it's that they would have to consciously remove their firearm for no reason, as you're just as likely to use it inside your own house as outside.

Essentially, yes. They carry them daily.

Do you wear pants every day?

Most days, yes. :wink:
Seroiusly though, I rarely wear a belt. I can't imagine taking a belt off to be much of a hassle, or it necessarily meaning that you have to remove your pants.

Oh, and the pants comment had a point.

They wear their holsters like another article of clothes.

Most people who carry some type of tool daily do the same. (I do such with knives. When i get dressed, i put a knife in my pocket. Plain and simple.)

Telling them to take off such an article would essentially be like saying "You should take your pants off every time you enter you house for no apparent reason whatsoever."

So do you really sit around watching old re-runs of 'Dynasty' (or whatever) whilst wearing a loaded weapon?

I don't carry.

I'm too young.

But, by all means, please tell me why this is "wrong" or "bad".

Like i've said, give me a reason why someone who carries should remove their firearm and holster immediately upon entering their homes, ESPECIALLY if they know they're just going to be going back out later. And explain to me why they should ONLY CCW outside of their homes.

[britboy]

airo wrote:

I don't carry.

I'm too young.

But, by all means, please tell me why this is "wrong" or "bad".

Like i've said, give me a reason why someone who carries should remove their firearm and holster immediately upon entering their homes, ESPECIALLY if they know they're just going to be going back out later. And explain to me why they should ONLY CCW outside of their homes.

I believe even most Americans would agree with me that if you strapped a loaded gun on yourself whilst you were in your own home, not going anywhere, strapping it on every day in case someone bust in the door -- this would make you rather a strange character. And would make the neighbours talk about you behind your back as they catch a glimpse of you busy painting your loft, complete with paint brush, paint, and loaded desert eagle!

Come on -- are you seriously telling me if every time you saw old-man-herbert from number 32 pottering around his house, cuddling his grand children, having family BBQs, he was carrying a loaded gun -- you wouldn't think he was at least slightly nuts?

I would. And I wouldn't go to the blimin' BBQ I'll tell you that much!

[perdidochas]

Blinky wrote:
Most days, yes. :wink:
Seroiusly though, I rarely wear a belt. I can't imagine taking a belt off to be much of a hassle, or it necessarily meaning that you have to remove your pants.

Well, most of us who do wear belts, do so for a reason--generally to hold up our pants. And, no, I don't take my belt off unless I remove my pants.

[perdidochas]

britboy wrote: airo wrote:

I don't carry.

I'm too young.

But, by all means, please tell me why this is "wrong" or "bad".

Like i've said, give me a reason why someone who carries should remove their firearm and holster immediately upon entering their homes, ESPECIALLY if they know they're just going to be going back out later. And explain to me why they should ONLY CCW outside of their homes.

I believe even most Americans would agree with me that if you strapped a loaded gun on yourself whilst you were in your own home, not going anywhere, strapping it on every day in case someone bust in the door -- this would make you rather a strange character. And would make the neighbours talk about you behind your back as they catch a glimpse of you busy painting your loft, complete with paint brush, paint, and loaded desert eagle!

Come on -- are you seriously telling me if every time you saw old-man-herbert from number 32 pottering around his house, cuddling his grand children, having family BBQs, he was carrying a loaded gun -- you wouldn't think he was at least slightly nuts?

Well, it depends on the neighborhood. In my current neighborhood, yes, I'd look at him like he was crazy. However, in places I've lived in the past (as a student), I would have wished that I had a CCW and could do the same.

I used to go to class with a guy that was always armed. He was a campus police officer, taking classes on his off days. He generally had a 9mm in his belt.

[Blinky]

TNBiologist wrote: [quote="Blinky
Just as likely to need them at home as on the street? Really? Despite the lockable door and brick walls and everything?
Why not wear a bullet-proof vest around the kitchen and to bed? I mean, you just never know...

Do you ever leave your door open let some light in the house? or how about putting up a window to let a breeze in so you don't have to run your airconditioner as much?[/quote]

All the time. Do I ever strap a gun on to do so? Never.
Do most Australians leave their doors open from time to time? Yes. Carry guns around the house? Never.

What kind of neighbourhood do you think you live in TN?

[Blinky]

airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote:

I wear a belt every day, unless (Such as today.) i'm wearing pants that have some sort of tightening system built in.

Most people i know wear belts every day.

That said, why should they remove their belts, then their holsters? I mean, can you give any good reason that they should disarm themselves upon entering their homes? It is a slight hassle, especially is they enter and leave their houses more than 2 times daily.

Woah, slow down there, airo. I never said they should have to remove their holsters. I just think it laughable and tragic that they feel the need to.


airo wrote: As i stated, realistically, they're just as likely to need their firearm in their house as they would on the street, and the idealogical reason to carry in both places is the same, so why should they remove their firearms upon entering their homes?

To appease you?

Just as likely to need them at home as on the street? Really? Despite the lockable door and brick walls and everything?
Why not wear a bullet-proof vest around the kitchen and to bed? I mean, you just never know...

I've already stated that a few months ago two armed men kicked in a door and shot a man dead.

One of the most common forms of home invasion start with a knock at the door.

It happens, and, realistically, it's just as likely to happen as being mugged at the ATM, or being carjacked at a red light.

Lets stop there, airo. "Realistically"? How about statistically? If you can find a source for a neighbourhood in the USA where in-home murders occur in greater numbers than murders outside one's own home, I will conceed that a gun is necessary for self defence at home in said neighbourhood.
Get cracking, my friend!



airo wrote: So, you feel it's sad that one provides the ability to defend themselves? Do you advocate that people stand up to oppression, or that they allow themselves to become victims?

No, I feel it tragic that people like you are so worried that any day now their door will be kicked down and they'll be shot by someone who doesn't mind upgrading their charge from break and enter to first degree murder when all they really wanted was you DVD player. And that is what we're talking about here, because unless they have a sepcific and pre-meditated reason for just killing you, airo, chances are they are there to burgle you and nothing more. They may not have even realised you were home.

[Otacon]

I do agree that perhaps some people kill when not needed, but they have the right to no matter if the criminal wanted your DVD player or not. What about if he takes your DVD player and then tries to shoot you? Sometimes it is neccesary to kill criminals.

[airo]

Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote:

I wear a belt every day, unless (Such as today.) i'm wearing pants that have some sort of tightening system built in.

Most people i know wear belts every day.

That said, why should they remove their belts, then their holsters? I mean, can you give any good reason that they should disarm themselves upon entering their homes? It is a slight hassle, especially is they enter and leave their houses more than 2 times daily.

Woah, slow down there, airo. I never said they should have to remove their holsters. I just think it laughable and tragic that they feel the need to.


airo wrote: As i stated, realistically, they're just as likely to need their firearm in their house as they would on the street, and the idealogical reason to carry in both places is the same, so why should they remove their firearms upon entering their homes?

To appease you?

Just as likely to need them at home as on the street? Really? Despite the lockable door and brick walls and everything?
Why not wear a bullet-proof vest around the kitchen and to bed? I mean, you just never know...

I've already stated that a few months ago two armed men kicked in a door and shot a man dead.

One of the most common forms of home invasion start with a knock at the door.

It happens, and, realistically, it's just as likely to happen as being mugged at the ATM, or being carjacked at a red light.

Lets stop there, airo. "Realistically"? How about statistically? If you can find a source for a neighbourhood in the USA where in-home murders occur in greater numbers than murders outside one's own home, I will conceed that a gun is necessary for self defence at home in said neighbourhood.
Get cracking, my friend!


Wait, why are murders the only thing i'm to defend my homestead against?

Quote:
airo wrote: So, you feel it's sad that one provides the ability to defend themselves? Do you advocate that people stand up to oppression, or that they allow themselves to become victims?

No, I feel it tragic that people like you are so worried that any day now their door will be kicked down and they'll be shot by someone who doesn't mind upgrading their charge from break and enter to first degree murder when all they really wanted was you DVD player. And that is what we're talking about here, because unless they have a sepcific and pre-meditated reason for just killing you, airo, chances are they are there to burgle you and nothing more. They may not have even realised you were home.

I think it's rather hilarious that anti-gunner try to paint people as sniveling, pathetic little men who cower in fear at even the smallest noise.

There's a difference between living in fear, and being prepared. If you can't see the difference, then i don't really have anything more to say to you, because you're incapable of understanding my argument.

As far as home invaders intent on just removing property from my house... Someone who breaks into your house is intent on one thing: victimizing you. You, as a human being, have a right to stand up, and refuse to be a victim. Unfortunately, far too many people, people like you, are content with sitting back and being victims. In fact, it's people like you who enable crime to happen. Criminals thrive on people who allow themselves to be victims. If everyone stood up, and defended themselves, and their property, crime would be nonexistent. Instead, there's people like you who say "It's only my T.V." or "It's only my car!", and allow criminals to do what they want with them. It's sickening.

[britboy]

airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote:

I wear a belt every day, unless (Such as today.) i'm wearing pants that have some sort of tightening system built in.

Most people i know wear belts every day.

That said, why should they remove their belts, then their holsters? I mean, can you give any good reason that they should disarm themselves upon entering their homes? It is a slight hassle, especially is they enter and leave their houses more than 2 times daily.

Woah, slow down there, airo. I never said they should have to remove their holsters. I just think it laughable and tragic that they feel the need to.


airo wrote: As i stated, realistically, they're just as likely to need their firearm in their house as they would on the street, and the idealogical reason to carry in both places is the same, so why should they remove their firearms upon entering their homes?

To appease you?

Just as likely to need them at home as on the street? Really? Despite the lockable door and brick walls and everything?
Why not wear a bullet-proof vest around the kitchen and to bed? I mean, you just never know...

I've already stated that a few months ago two armed men kicked in a door and shot a man dead.

One of the most common forms of home invasion start with a knock at the door.

It happens, and, realistically, it's just as likely to happen as being mugged at the ATM, or being carjacked at a red light.

Lets stop there, airo. "Realistically"? How about statistically? If you can find a source for a neighbourhood in the USA where in-home murders occur in greater numbers than murders outside one's own home, I will conceed that a gun is necessary for self defence at home in said neighbourhood.
Get cracking, my friend!


Wait, why are murders the only thing i'm to defend my homestead against?

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airo wrote: So, you feel it's sad that one provides the ability to defend themselves? Do you advocate that people stand up to oppression, or that they allow themselves to become victims?

No, I feel it tragic that people like you are so worried that any day now their door will be kicked down and they'll be shot by someone who doesn't mind upgrading their charge from break and enter to first degree murder when all they really wanted was you DVD player. And that is what we're talking about here, because unless they have a sepcific and pre-meditated reason for just killing you, airo, chances are they are there to burgle you and nothing more. They may not have even realised you were home.

I think it's rather hilarious that anti-gunner try to paint people as sniveling, pathetic little men who cower in fear at even the smallest noise.

There's a difference between living in fear, and being prepared. If you can't see the difference, then i don't really have anything more to say to you, because you're incapable of understanding my argument.

As far as home invaders intent on just removing property from my house... Someone who breaks into your house is intent on one thing: victimizing you. You, as a human being, have a right to stand up, and refuse to be a victim. Unfortunately, far too many people, people like you, are content with sitting back and being victims. In fact, it's people like you who enable crime to happen. Criminals thrive on people who allow themselves to be victims. If everyone stood up, and defended themselves, and their property, crime would be nonexistent. Instead, there's people like you who say "It's only my T.V." or "It's only my car!", and allow criminals to do what they want with them. It's sickening.


Airo - I would argue that gun owners live in more fear than non-gun owners.

Especially in the states where they could have a gun if they wanted .. people that choose not to have them, for right or wrong, are surely by definition living in less fear than those that do feel they need them ...?

[leftneckredwing]

britboy wrote: Airo - I would argue that gun owners live in more fear than non-gun owners.

Especially in the states where they could have a gun if they wanted .. people that choose not to have them, for right or wrong, are surely by definition living in less fear than those that do feel they need them ...?

Do people with spare tires live in fear of having a flat? Do people with life insurance live in fear of dying? Do people that go to the dentist live in fear of cavities?

[britboy]

leftneckredwing wrote: britboy wrote: Airo - I would argue that gun owners live in more fear than non-gun owners.

Especially in the states where they could have a gun if they wanted .. people that choose not to have them, for right or wrong, are surely by definition living in less fear than those that do feel they need them ...?

Do people with spare tires live in fear of having a flat? Do people with life insurance live in fear of dying? Do people that go to the dentist live in fear of cavities?

hmm yea good point. (Although I live in fear of cavities!) :!oops:

[leftneckredwing]

britboy wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: britboy wrote: Airo - I would argue that gun owners live in more fear than non-gun owners.

Especially in the states where they could have a gun if they wanted .. people that choose not to have them, for right or wrong, are surely by definition living in less fear than those that do feel they need them ...?

Do people with spare tires live in fear of having a flat? Do people with life insurance live in fear of dying? Do people that go to the dentist live in fear of cavities?

hmm yea good point. (Although I live in fear of cavities!) :!oops:

So, can I take it you use preventative measures?