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[Lucky Luke]

perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote:
Pretty close to zero for both. However, I think the chance of the first is more than the chance of the second. If not, I simply wouldn't own a gun.

Have you ever tried to find out Perdidochas, many are claiming that you are wrong on this?

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Well, I view 6 in 100,000 to be pretty close to zero chance. That is a .006 % chance. The murder rate in the U.S. is under 6 in 100,000 people.

6 in 100,000 is more than the actual insane American murder rate, it is considered a far too high chance to get murdered in the rest of the western democratic world, the government would have to step down in many countries as a result of such murder rate.

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[perdidochas]

Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote:
Pretty close to zero for both. However, I think the chance of the first is more than the chance of the second. If not, I simply wouldn't own a gun.

Have you ever tried to find out Perdidochas, many are claiming that you are wrong on this?

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Well, I view 6 in 100,000 to be pretty close to zero chance. That is a .006 % chance. The murder rate in the U.S. is under 6 in 100,000 people.

6 in 100,000 is more than the actual insane American murder rate, it is considered a far too high chance to get murdered in the rest of the western democratic world, the government would have to step down in many countries as a result of such murder rate.

Well a .006 in 100 chance I'm willing to take.

[Lucky Luke]

perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote:
Pretty close to zero for both. However, I think the chance of the first is more than the chance of the second. If not, I simply wouldn't own a gun.

Have you ever tried to find out Perdidochas, many are claiming that you are wrong on this?

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Well, I view 6 in 100,000 to be pretty close to zero chance. That is a .006 % chance. The murder rate in the U.S. is under 6 in 100,000 people.

6 in 100,000 is more than the actual insane American murder rate, it is considered a far too high chance to get murdered in the rest of the western democratic world, the government would have to step down in many countries as a result of such murder rate.

Well a .006 in 100 chance I'm willing to take.

Still you could compare both to see if you should own a gun.

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[perdidochas]

Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote:
Pretty close to zero for both. However, I think the chance of the first is more than the chance of the second. If not, I simply wouldn't own a gun.

Have you ever tried to find out Perdidochas, many are claiming that you are wrong on this?

:-D
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Well, I view 6 in 100,000 to be pretty close to zero chance. That is a .006 % chance. The murder rate in the U.S. is under 6 in 100,000 people.

6 in 100,000 is more than the actual insane American murder rate, it is considered a far too high chance to get murdered in the rest of the western democratic world, the government would have to step down in many countries as a result of such murder rate.

Well a .006 in 100 chance I'm willing to take.

Still you could compare both to see if you should own a gun.

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My chance of doing harm with a gun is virtually zero. There is no history of serious mental illness in the family. I stay away from drugs and criminals. HEck, I only drink about one alcoholic drink a month. I'm fastidiously careful when I hunt or target shoot with a gun. I lock up all my ammunition as well as the single loaded gun. I'm a cautious man. Guns in my house are not dangerous to anyone there by my invitation.

[Blinky]

Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

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That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

[Lucky Luke]

perdidochas wrote:
My chance of doing harm with a gun is virtually zero. There is no history of serious mental illness in the family. I stay away from drugs and criminals. HEck, I only drink about one alcoholic drink a month. I'm fastidiously careful when I hunt or target shoot with a gun. I lock up all my ammunition as well as the single loaded gun. I'm a cautious man. Guns in my house are not dangerous to anyone there by my invitation.

I'll give you the same Swiss example, over confidence in your own ability and in your own state of mind is fine but life plays tricks on you, we are all humans Pedidochas.

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[lilwolf]

I find it hard to even rationalize that a person would charge through my door and expect to walk away alive. I would shoot the idiot. LL referd to someone here as living in fear with a gun (correct me if I am wrong).
I own guns and I do not set and sweat with fear of a burglar or whatever coming in my door. LL and I had that argument before about shooting a burglar. I think he lost his argument on that issue.

Anyway, there are people that state that in Europe they do not lock their doors- One I would find that hard to believe, and 2 I think that's crap. I just returned from Scotland and England and the peoples house I was staying at just outside of Glasgow double locked their doors at night.
Luke you keep going on about switzerland and other nations. The issue here is whether to shoot or not. Someday I honestly hope I do not read about you found shot in your own country cowering like some pathetic weak kneed jerk that had not enough balls to fight back.
When and if bad guys target you sir, they will because you are an easy target and they will have you as one of those people that believes the cops will get there and save the day. I honestly hope you are right in that absurd assumption. Because if you are not right and the cops do not make it there in time - you are in all probablility dead. That's the cold and ugly facts.

[Azuresidus]

Easy. Someone threatens me or the ones I love, they die.

[airo]

Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

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:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

[Blinky]

airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
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:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

[leftneckredwing]

Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
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:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

Thing being, it may not be confined to 'no good reason' whatever that might be.

Police in some areas see increase in home invasions

Quote: The slayings of seven people during a home-invasion robbery in Indianapolis last week spotlights a trend in several cities around the nation: This terrifying crime is on the rise.

It's difficult to quantify the increase because such robberies aren't a separate crime category that the FBI and most police departments track. But police chiefs and criminologists say anecdotal evidence suggests home invasions, a form of armed robbery in which criminals burst into homes and threaten their victims face to face, are increasing in some areas.

Home invasions are "extremely painful" crimes, says Jean O'Neil, director of research and evaluation at the National Crime Prevention Council, a non-profit group that promotes strategies to prevent crime. "Your sanctuary, your home is being violated at the same time you're being violated personally," she says.

Increases in such crimes are showing up in some parts of the West and Southwest, where police say illegal immigrants are sometimes both victim and perpetrator:

• In Houston, home-invasion robberies increased 25% last year to 448. Police Chief Harold Hurtt says the victims often are either drug dealers whose stashes are targeted or small-business owners known to carry home cash.

• In Sacramento, home-invasion robberies are up 37% to 63 in the first five months of this year over the same period last year. "What happens, when one person does a certain type of crime and is successful, it filters through the criminal world," says Sgt. Terrell Marshall, a police spokesman. "That's what we're seeing with this home-invasion thing. When they get incarcerated, they're actually being educated on which crimes work and which crimes don't work."

Complete article not posted. There's more to read.

When America was a less populace country, it was safer that way. It happened but not on the scale it does now.

And it is even gaining ground in more peaceful countries like Canada.

Home Invasions

It may not make a lot of sense to pack right in the house. I wouldn't do it, personally, unless I knew I should expect to be invaded. But probably, I would just have a shotgun not too far away. (Pistols are very restricited in Canada and there are gun lock laws and any violation results in forfeiture of weapons without just cause to violate them. So if you want to keep your guns, you better obey the law.The law tends to be enforced fairly even handed and justification will usually overcome the obstacles. Common sense usually rules.) Such as invasions in the immediate area, which has happened. But in most cases, the victims don't expect it. And most often it is the elderly that are targeted, but certainly not always.

Now it may seem ridiculous to you, but in Aus, I suspect that you have far fewer problems than the US, that could be directly attributed to a far smaller population.

So at what point can one decide how paranoid one must be? Or what level of home defense one should be allowed? And how would you respond to the people that have been invaded?

In America and more increasingly in Canada, we are seeing a new breed of rabid vicious gang bangers that live completely outside the law. Honestly, they are urban terrorists.

Comparing Aus or the UK to the States is comparing apples to bananas. It's a totally different animal. And the steps taken there do not reflect the reality of the world people have to live in here.

Outside of a desire to be able to carry weapons, you would likely find most of these people to be people that live entirely within the law and the norms of society in America. But the law can only do so much and it is up to the individual to do the rest.

I personally do not relish the thought of having to defend myself with a gun, as I truly do know what it means, but would far rather be able to than not be able to. To know that you can defend yourself can also provide peace of mind. Nothing is ever guaranteed, but what can happen to people that use guns in the commission of a crime that victimise those that don't is well documented.

[airo]

Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
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:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.

Two or so months ago a man had his door kicked in, and was shot dead infront of his wife. His house was then robbed.

A gun, like any other tool, is only good if you have access to it. What good is a knife if you need to cut something and it's not in your hand?

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: I find it hard to even rationalize that a person would charge through my door and expect to walk away alive. I would shoot the idiot. LL referd to someone here as living in fear with a gun (correct me if I am wrong).
I own guns and I do not set and sweat with fear of a burglar or whatever coming in my door. LL and I had that argument before about shooting a burglar. I think he lost his argument on that issue.

Anyway, there are people that state that in Europe they do not lock their doors- One I would find that hard to believe, and 2 I think that's crap. I just returned from Scotland and England and the peoples house I was staying at just outside of Glasgow double locked their doors at night.
Luke you keep going on about switzerland and other nations. The issue here is whether to shoot or not. Someday I honestly hope I do not read about you found shot in your own country cowering like some pathetic weak kneed jerk that had not enough balls to fight back.
When and if bad guys target you sir, they will because you are an easy target and they will have you as one of those people that believes the cops will get there and save the day. I honestly hope you are right in that absurd assumption. Because if you are not right and the cops do not make it there in time - you are in all probablility dead. That's the cold and ugly facts.

Very few people get shot here and certainly not by an intruder at home. I lived in one of the worst areas of Glasgow, locking your door is pointless there, they take it down if they want to come in but they have no guns, they did when I was abroad. I then lived 10 miles from Glasgow, burglars came again this time during the night my back door was open, I was sleeping, they got caught the following day, it was a bunch of kids unarmed of course. I now live in the north east, my front door is open when we are in, closed when we are away and when we think about locking up!

There are no opportunities for a law abiding citizen to shoot at anyone in a western democratic country, very few shootings of that kind happen in America, a lot fewer in the UK.

Table 70. Personal crimes of violence, 2004



That would be less than 2% of victims in America would use a weapon during a crime when the victim decided to protect oneself, gun 1% may be? In all crime cases including when the American victim decided not to resist? Guns are not used for self defence in America, not to any significant level.

There is definitely not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth.

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[Lucky Luke]

airo wrote:

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.

Two or so months ago a man had his door kicked in, and was shot dead infront of his wife. His house was then robbed.

A gun, like any other tool, is only good if you have access to it. What good is a knife if you need to cut something and it's not in your hand?

As your little story shows, the American robber is coming with a gun and will shoot first, how guns can save your life when guns are the ones killing you?

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[airo]

Lucky Luke wrote: airo wrote:

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.

Two or so months ago a man had his door kicked in, and was shot dead infront of his wife. His house was then robbed.

A gun, like any other tool, is only good if you have access to it. What good is a knife if you need to cut something and it's not in your hand?

As your little story shows, the American robber is coming with a gun and will shoot first, how guns can save your life when guns are the ones killing you?

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One word: Training.

I WILL be better then any **** who wants to illegally set foot on my property.

There's more to being a responcible firearm owner then just owning firearms. Part of being responcible is being trained. Similarly to actually having your weapon available to you, your weapon is no good if you are no good with it. If you cannot draw it efficiently, aquire a target quickly, fire a string of shots fast and accurately, and then reload your firearm, you may as well not even carry it, because if you do need it, there's nothing you can do with it.

The majority of people who would use their illegal firearms illegally against you aren't trained. They don't shoot regularly, nor can they even do so accurately. They don't know what tactics and mindset are, and in a jam, the only thing they're concerned with is getting your wallet, or your woman. It's your responcibility as a firearm owner to not only be equipped to stop tem from getting to either of those, but to also be better trained, and mentally sharper. If you aren't, don't even bother carrying a gun, because the best you can do is get someone innocent hurt.

[Blinky]

airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
:-D

:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.



I take that to mean that they eventually do take their holster off after they've been inside for a while - probably once they go to cook dinner or watch TV.
So what I originally said still stands, airo. Once they're in front of the stove or on the sofa and a maniac kicks down their door, their gun is worth about as much as their kitchen knives - nothing.

[mathurin]

Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
:-D

:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.



I take that to mean that they eventually do take their holster off after they've been inside for a while - probably once they go to cook dinner or watch TV.
So what I originally said still stands, airo. Once they're in front of the stove or on the sofa and a maniac kicks down their door, their gun is worth about as much as their kitchen knives - nothing.
you forget detterence

nobody robs people here in my area of kansas, no hot robberies and few if any muggings
why?
almost everyone is armed
we even have low firearm death rates, a report of a firearm death, or a violent death in my region of kansas is the exception, not the rule

[airo]

Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
:-D

:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.



I take that to mean that they eventually do take their holster off after they've been inside for a while - probably once they go to cook dinner or watch TV.
So what I originally said still stands, airo. Once they're in front of the stove or on the sofa and a maniac kicks down their door, their gun is worth about as much as their kitchen knives - nothing.

I don't know about you, but when i get dressed, which is usually the first thing i do in the morning, i stay dressed all day, until i go to sleep.

I mean, you may like to remove your pants randomly throughout the day, but i don't think the majority of people do ;)

[Blinky]

airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
:-D

:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.



I take that to mean that they eventually do take their holster off after they've been inside for a while - probably once they go to cook dinner or watch TV.
So what I originally said still stands, airo. Once they're in front of the stove or on the sofa and a maniac kicks down their door, their gun is worth about as much as their kitchen knives - nothing.

I don't know about you, but when i get dressed, which is usually the first thing i do in the morning, i stay dressed all day, until i go to sleep.

I mean, you may like to remove your pants randomly throughout the day, but i don't think the majority of people do ;)

Maybe we have differing ideas on what a holster is. The kind I refer to is an accessory like a belt, or the under-arm kind, concealable under a jacket. Neither requires taking off your pants to remove them.
So, your friends carry their guns at every waking moment?

[airo]

Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: airo wrote: Blinky wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

Do you carry a loaded gun at home Demonic Spoon just in case someone bursts through your door and says he's going to kill you with a gun?

:-D
:-D

:lol:
That is a KO as far as I'm concerned. These sort of hypotheticals are designed to have anti-gunners concede that a gun is useful for at home self -defence. They do not take into account certain realities that negate any percieved benefits of there being a gun at home, such as what LL has pointed out. Unless you watch TV with your gun on your lap, or cook your dinner while wearing a holster, the chances of you being able to do anything with your precious gun should some maniac kick down your door and point a gun in your face, are near enough to zero.

What will those crazy gun-nuts thinkof next?
"Just say you were on your front lawn and a Black-Hawk helicopter started firing missiles at your house, wouldn't a rocket launcher be useful? Vote now!" :lol:

And, both of you realize that many, in fact the majority that i personally know, of CCW holders DO carry while they're in their homes, right?

Your mates watch TV with their guns on their laps? They cook dinner with holsters on? :lol:
And the gun-nuts deny that they're paranoid...

Let me ask you, airo, how many times have they had their doors kicked in by maniacs intent on killing them for no good reason?

More like, they have holsters that they CCW outside of their home with, and they don't undo their belts, and remove them as soon as they step through their door.



I take that to mean that they eventually do take their holster off after they've been inside for a while - probably once they go to cook dinner or watch TV.
So what I originally said still stands, airo. Once they're in front of the stove or on the sofa and a maniac kicks down their door, their gun is worth about as much as their kitchen knives - nothing.

I don't know about you, but when i get dressed, which is usually the first thing i do in the morning, i stay dressed all day, until i go to sleep.

I mean, you may like to remove your pants randomly throughout the day, but i don't think the majority of people do ;)

Maybe we have differing ideas on what a holster is. The kind I refer to is an accessory like a belt, or the under-arm kind, concealable under a jacket. Neither requires taking off your pants to remove them.
So, your friends carry their guns at every waking moment?

Perhaps you're misinformed.

Generally speaking, two of the most common forms of concealed carry are IWB and OWB, which generally utilizes a holster threaded through your belt. It would require removing your belt from your pants in order to take the holster off.

As i said, most of the people i know who carry put their holsters on when they wake up, and remove them when they go to sleep, like every other normal human being does with their clothes.

It's not so much that they sit down to watch T.V. with a gun in their lap because they're paranoid of the door being busted down, it's that they would have to consciously remove their firearm for no reason, as you're just as likely to use it inside your own house as outside.

Essentially, yes. They carry them daily.

Do you wear pants every day?