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Lucky Luke
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drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: There are many ways to protect oneself Logician, having a gun at home is not one of them.
What do you mean Luke? Of course having a gun at one's home is a way to protect oneself. Only an fool who lives in a fantasy world of happy people would think that guns offer no protection against a violent attack.
There is not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth and this is not my finding DrBo.
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drBo
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Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: There are many ways to protect oneself Logician, having a gun at home is not one of them.
What do you mean Luke? Of course having a gun at one's home is a way to protect oneself. Only an fool who lives in a fantasy world of happy people would think that guns offer no protection against a violent attack.
There is not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth and this is not my finding DrBo.
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So wait...Having a gun to shoot a violent attacker, especially one who is armed with lesser weapons, is not a defense? I don't see your reasoning. I think anyone who saved their life or the life of their family because they used a gun to defend their lives definitely got their money's worth. Believe it or not, people do use their guns to defend their lives, the lives of their families, and their property. |
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JackarooSundown
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Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: There are many ways to protect oneself Logician, having a gun at home is not one of them.
What do you mean Luke? Of course having a gun at one's home is a way to protect oneself. Only an fool who lives in a fantasy world of happy people would think that guns offer no protection against a violent attack.
There is not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth and this is not my finding DrBo.
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Your finding? On what authority? :shock: |
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drBo
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JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: There are many ways to protect oneself Logician, having a gun at home is not one of them.
What do you mean Luke? Of course having a gun at one's home is a way to protect oneself. Only an fool who lives in a fantasy world of happy people would think that guns offer no protection against a violent attack.
There is not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth and this is not my finding DrBo.
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Your finding? On what authority? :shock:
How can't you get your money's worth if you use your gun to save your life, or the life of your family? |
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Lucky Luke
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: There are many ways to protect oneself Logician, having a gun at home is not one of them.
What do you mean Luke? Of course having a gun at one's home is a way to protect oneself. Only an fool who lives in a fantasy world of happy people would think that guns offer no protection against a violent attack.
There is not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth and this is not my finding DrBo.
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So wait...Having a gun to shoot a violent attacker, especially one who is armed with lesser weapons, is not a defense? I don't see your reasoning. I think anyone who saved their life or the life of their family because they used a gun to defend their lives definitely got their money's worth. Believe it or not, people do use their guns to defend their lives, the lives of their families, and their property.
Not my reasoning DrBo but the DOJ's.
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Lucky Luke
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JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: There are many ways to protect oneself Logician, having a gun at home is not one of them.
What do you mean Luke? Of course having a gun at one's home is a way to protect oneself. Only an fool who lives in a fantasy world of happy people would think that guns offer no protection against a violent attack.
There is not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth and this is not my finding DrBo.
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Your finding? On what authority? :shock:
Them:
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
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Lucky Luke
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drBo wrote: JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: There are many ways to protect oneself Logician, having a gun at home is not one of them.
What do you mean Luke? Of course having a gun at one's home is a way to protect oneself. Only an fool who lives in a fantasy world of happy people would think that guns offer no protection against a violent attack.
There is not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth and this is not my finding DrBo.
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Your finding? On what authority? :shock:
How can't you get your money's worth if you use your gun to save your life, or the life of your family?
What chances is that gun going to save your life, what chances is that gun going to kill you?
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JackarooSundown
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Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: There are many ways to protect oneself Logician, having a gun at home is not one of them.
What do you mean Luke? Of course having a gun at one's home is a way to protect oneself. Only an fool who lives in a fantasy world of happy people would think that guns offer no protection against a violent attack.
There is not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth and this is not my finding DrBo.
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Your finding? On what authority? :shock:
How can't you get your money's worth if you use your gun to save your life, or the life of your family?
What chances is that gun going to save your life, what chances is that gun going to kill you?
If the gun is in MY hands, I have been trained to use it, and it will hit its target. |
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drBo
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Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: There are many ways to protect oneself Logician, having a gun at home is not one of them.
What do you mean Luke? Of course having a gun at one's home is a way to protect oneself. Only an fool who lives in a fantasy world of happy people would think that guns offer no protection against a violent attack.
There is not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth and this is not my finding DrBo.
:shock:
:shock:
Your finding? On what authority? :shock:
How can't you get your money's worth if you use your gun to save your life, or the life of your family?
What chances is that gun going to save your life, what chances is that gun going to kill you?
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Chances of my gun me are very low because I know how to properly use and maintain it. Chances of it saving my life depend on the situation. I hope to never have to use the guns for that purpose, but if I need to I will. The actual chances of the firearm me or saving my life on its own accord are 0%, but I'm pretty sure that that's not what you mean. |
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Rankor and Pissing
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Can't I offer him my wife, my booze and my children as slaves if he lets me live?
Well, that's the only option if I live in some gunless ammo-stricken society that prosecutes people who actually defend themselves.
Good thing I dont. |
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Lucky Luke
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JackarooSundown wrote:
If the gun is in MY hands, I have been trained to use it, and it will hit its target.
If the gun is loaded, in your hand and you don't suffer from depression indeed, but how often is it in your hand JackarooSundown?
What chances are they for it to be loaded and in somebody else's hand JackarooSundown, your partner, a child, a friend or even an intruder?
Shooting at a target is one thing, shooting at a human being another.
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Lucky Luke
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drBo wrote:
Chances of my gun me are very low because I know how to properly use and maintain it. Chances of it saving my life depend on the situation. I hope to never have to use the guns for that purpose, but if I need to I will. The actual chances of the firearm me or saving my life on its own accord are 0%, but I'm pretty sure that that's not what you mean.
I'll say the chances for you to justifiably kill someone with a gun are very close to nil.
170 felons were killed during the commission of a felony by a private citizen in 2004.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html
The chances for a gun to kill you, a lot higher.
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Lucky Luke
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Rankor and Pissing wrote: Can't I offer him my wife, my booze and my children as slaves if he lets me live?
Well, that's the only option if I live in some gunless ammo-stricken society that prosecutes people who actually defend themselves.
Good thing I dont.
Why doing all those things when the burglar is running away from you?
The question remains do American people have guns because American criminals have them or do American criminals have guns because American people have them?
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JackarooSundown
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Lucky Luke wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: Can't I offer him my wife, my booze and my children as slaves if he lets me live?
Well, that's the only option if I live in some gunless ammo-stricken society that prosecutes people who actually defend themselves.
Good thing I dont.
Why doing all those things when the burglar is running away from you?
The question remains do American people have guns because American criminals have them or do American criminals have guns because American people have them?
We have guns to protect ourselves. Whether it be from the commies if they take over or from a criminal. |
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perdidochas
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Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: There are many ways to protect oneself Logician, having a gun at home is not one of them.
What do you mean Luke? Of course having a gun at one's home is a way to protect oneself. Only an fool who lives in a fantasy world of happy people would think that guns offer no protection against a violent attack.
There is not much evidence on whether consumers who buy guns for protection against crime get their money's worth and this is not my finding DrBo.
:shock:
:shock:
Your finding? On what authority? :shock:
How can't you get your money's worth if you use your gun to save your life, or the life of your family?
What chances is that gun going to save your life, what chances is that gun going to kill you?
Pretty close to zero for both. However, I think the chance of the first is more than the chance of the second. If not, I simply wouldn't own a gun. |
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perdidochas
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Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote:
Chances of my gun me are very low because I know how to properly use and maintain it. Chances of it saving my life depend on the situation. I hope to never have to use the guns for that purpose, but if I need to I will. The actual chances of the firearm me or saving my life on its own accord are 0%, but I'm pretty sure that that's not what you mean.
I'll say the chances for you to justifiably kill someone with a gun are very close to nil.
170 felons were killed during the commission of a felony by a private citizen in 2004.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html
The chances for a gun to kill you, a lot higher.
Most crimes prevented by gun owners don't involve even firing a shot. |
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Lucky Luke
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote:
Chances of my gun me are very low because I know how to properly use and maintain it. Chances of it saving my life depend on the situation. I hope to never have to use the guns for that purpose, but if I need to I will. The actual chances of the firearm me or saving my life on its own accord are 0%, but I'm pretty sure that that's not what you mean.
I'll say the chances for you to justifiably kill someone with a gun are very close to nil.
170 felons were killed during the commission of a felony by a private citizen in 2004.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html
The chances for a gun to kill you, a lot higher.
Most crimes prevented by gun owners don't involve even firing a shot.
We have got only their words for it, nobody wants to admit to not get his/her money's worth of a purchase.
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Lucky Luke
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JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: Can't I offer him my wife, my booze and my children as slaves if he lets me live?
Well, that's the only option if I live in some gunless ammo-stricken society that prosecutes people who actually defend themselves.
Good thing I dont.
Why doing all those things when the burglar is running away from you?
The question remains do American people have guns because American criminals have them or do American criminals have guns because American people have them?
We have guns to protect ourselves. Whether it be from the commies if they take over or from a criminal.
And if you don't finish your dinner Stalin will get you...
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Lucky Luke
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perdidochas wrote:
Pretty close to zero for both. However, I think the chance of the first is more than the chance of the second. If not, I simply wouldn't own a gun.
Have you ever tried to find out Perdidochas, many are claiming that you are wrong on this?
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote:
Pretty close to zero for both. However, I think the chance of the first is more than the chance of the second. If not, I simply wouldn't own a gun.
Have you ever tried to find out Perdidochas, many are claiming that you are wrong on this?
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Well, I view 6 in 100,000 to be pretty close to zero chance. That is a .006 % chance. The murder rate in the U.S. is under 6 in 100,000 people. |
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