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Lucky Luke
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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The highest murder rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course murders up a staggering 4.8%.
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britboy
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If everyone had grenade launchers on their semi-automatics, this would sort everything out. Guns simply arn't lethal enough!!
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: The highest murder rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course murders up a staggering 4.8%.
I don't see the change being major. The last 6 yrs show a kind of wobble, not a major uptrend. |
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Lucky Luke
Joined: 28 Oct 2005
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Location: Scotland
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The highest murder rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course murders up a staggering 4.8%.
I don't see the change being major. The last 6 yrs show a kind of wobble, not a major uptrend.
A 20% increase in the Scottish murder rate was described as a jump or a tragic waste of young lives which had to be tackled effectively. And yet with a rate of 2.5 per 100,000 Scotland has less than half the murder rate of America.
0.25 per 100,000 represents more than 700 extra American lives lost in America in 2005, how many were lost with a firearm?
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drBo
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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Location: Probably in class...;)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The highest rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course up a staggering 4.8%.
I don't see the change being major. The last 6 yrs show a kind of wobble, not a major uptrend.
A 20% increase in the Scottish rate was described as a jump or a tragic waste of young lives which had to be tackled effectively. And yet with a rate of 2.5 per 100,000 Scotland has less than half the rate of America.
0.25 per 100,000 represents more than 700 extra American lives lost in America in 2005, how many were lost with a firearm?
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So what's the population of Scotland? Now compare that to the US. Now think of how much more the chances are that in the US there will be someone who is messed up than there is in Scotland. |
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JackarooSundown
Joined: 29 Oct 2005
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Location: Three thirty.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: The highest murder rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course murders up a staggering 4.8%.
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That is only because people like you refuse to defend themselves. |
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drBo
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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Location: Probably in class...;)
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britboy wrote: If everyone had launchers on their semi-automatics, this would sort everything out. Guns simply arn't lethal enough!!
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You hit the nail right on the head there britboy; especially since large semi-automatic rifles are the weapons of choice for criminals! There's nothing better for concealment than an SKS with a launcher attachment. |
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Lucky Luke
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Location: Scotland
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The highest rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course up a staggering 4.8%.
I don't see the change being major. The last 6 yrs show a kind of wobble, not a major uptrend.
A 20% increase in the Scottish rate was described as a jump or a tragic waste of young lives which had to be tackled effectively. And yet with a rate of 2.5 per 100,000 Scotland has less than half the rate of America.
0.25 per 100,000 represents more than 700 extra American lives lost in America in 2005, how many were lost with a firearm?
:-D
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So what's the population of Scotland? Now compare that to the US. Now think of how much more the chances are that in the US there will be someone who is messed up than there is in Scotland.
Do you understand the concept of crime rates per 100,000 DrBo?
You may use the EU crime rates, there are more people in the EU than in the US.
I must warn you that a recent UN survey declared Scotland the most violent western nation and the second Scottish city, Glasgow has been the murder capital of western Europe for decades.
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Lucky Luke
Joined: 28 Oct 2005
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Location: Scotland
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The highest murder rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course murders up a staggering 4.8%.
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That is only because people like you refuse to defend themselves.
Not in Scotland JackarooSundown, and yet our murder rate is less than half yours!
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JackarooSundown
Joined: 29 Oct 2005
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Location: Three thirty.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The highest murder rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course murders up a staggering 4.8%.
:-D
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That is only because people like you refuse to defend themselves.
Not in Scotland JackarooSundown, and yet our murder rate is less than half yours!
YOU LIVE ON AN ISLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LuckyLuke, your post was referring to SCOTLAND, what do you mean 'Not in Scotland' That is what we were talking about!
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drBo
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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Location: Probably in class...;)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The highest rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course up a staggering 4.8%.
I don't see the change being major. The last 6 yrs show a kind of wobble, not a major uptrend.
A 20% increase in the Scottish rate was described as a jump or a tragic waste of young lives which had to be tackled effectively. And yet with a rate of 2.5 per 100,000 Scotland has less than half the rate of America.
0.25 per 100,000 represents more than 700 extra American lives lost in America in 2005, how many were lost with a firearm?
:-D
:-D
So what's the population of Scotland? Now compare that to the US. Now think of how much more the chances are that in the US there will be someone who is messed up than there is in Scotland.
Do you understand the concept of crime rates per 100,000 DrBo?
You may use the EU crime rates, there are more people in the EU than in the US.
I must warn you that a recent UN survey declared Scotland the most violent western nation and the second Scottish city, Glasgow has been the capital of western Europe for decades.
:-D
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Yes I understand the concept jerk. Im just saying that we have a larger pool of fools to draw from. Let's say that if you roll a one on a die you get a er. If you have two dice aren't you more likely to get a one? Plus your culture is different. |
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Lucky Luke
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The highest murder rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course murders up a staggering 4.8%.
:-D
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That is only because people like you refuse to defend themselves.
Not in Scotland JackarooSundown, and yet our murder rate is less than half yours!
YOU LIVE ON AN ISLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LuckyLuke, your post was referring to SCOTLAND, what do you mean 'Not in Scotland' That is what we were talking about!
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In a recent UN poll Scotland was declared the more violent nation in the western world. Glasgow, the second Scottish city has been the murder capital of western Europe for decades.
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Lucky Luke
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: drBo wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: perdidochas wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The highest rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course up a staggering 4.8%.
I don't see the change being major. The last 6 yrs show a kind of wobble, not a major uptrend.
A 20% increase in the Scottish rate was described as a jump or a tragic waste of young lives which had to be tackled effectively. And yet with a rate of 2.5 per 100,000 Scotland has less than half the rate of America.
0.25 per 100,000 represents more than 700 extra American lives lost in America in 2005, how many were lost with a firearm?
:-D
:-D
So what's the population of Scotland? Now compare that to the US. Now think of how much more the chances are that in the US there will be someone who is messed up than there is in Scotland.
Do you understand the concept of crime rates per 100,000 DrBo?
You may use the EU crime rates, there are more people in the EU than in the US.
I must warn you that a recent UN survey declared Scotland the most violent western nation and the second Scottish city, Glasgow has been the capital of western Europe for decades.
:-D
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Yes I understand the concept jerk. Im just saying that we have a larger pool of fools to draw from. Let's say that if you roll a one on a die you get a er. If you have two dice aren't you more likely to get a one? Plus your culture is different.
No point calling me names DrBo, you are still struggling with the concept of measuring crime rates per 100,000 of population.
Have it your way, take the EU and compare but remember my warnings, it can only get worst.
We have a very violent culture here, what so particular about yours?
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JackarooSundown
Joined: 29 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: JackarooSundown wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: The highest murder rate for 7 years:
Quote: .........Murder rate
2000.........5.5
2001.........5.6
2002.........5.6
2003.........5.7
2004.........5.5
2005.........5.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/documents/04tbl01a.xlshttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table3.htm
Violent crimes are up 2.5% compared to last year, robberies up 4.5%, aggravated assaults up 1.9% and of course murders up a staggering 4.8%.
:-D
:-D
That is only because people like you refuse to defend themselves.
Not in Scotland JackarooSundown, and yet our murder rate is less than half yours!
YOU LIVE ON AN ISLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LuckyLuke, your post was referring to SCOTLAND, what do you mean 'Not in Scotland' That is what we were talking about!
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In a recent UN poll Scotland was declared the more violent nation in the western world. Glasgow, the second Scottish city has been the murder capital of western Europe for decades.
Then HOW do you justify your lack of prepardness for a criminal attack, and WHY do you keep talking about how there is no reason to fear where you are!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Its a good thing humans dont need logic to live, because you would have run out a loooooong time ago
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drBo
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Lucky Luke wrote: No point calling me names DrBo, you are still struggling with the concept of measuring crime rates per 100,000 of population.
Have it your way, take the EU and compare but remember my warnings, it can only get worst.
We have a very violent culture here, what so particular about yours?
The difference between our violent culture and yours is that the law-abiding here are evenly matched against possible assailants.
You still don't get my point either. I agree that there is a higher crime rate PER 100,000 OF POPULATION here. Im trying to show you one possible reason why. We have a BIGGER POPULATION, meaning greater diversity of people and income inequality, etc. That means that there are more people to possibly commit the crimes here than there are in the small area of Scotland. |
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Lucky Luke
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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JackarooSundown wrote:
Then HOW do you justify your lack of prepardness for a criminal attack, and WHY do you keep talking about how there is no reason to fear where you are!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Its a good thing humans dont need logic to live, because you would have run out a loooooong time ago
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I don't fear minor assaults, disturbances, burglaries and petty thefts, I don't worry about them, I live my life instead.
Now I worry very much getting killed and that is not likely to happen to me, two to three times less likely than to you with all your guns and all your preparedness JackarooSundown.
Who lives safer, who lives in fear JackarooSundown?
I live safer and you live in fear, you are very welcome to your guns they are making your life a misery.
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JackarooSundown
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: JackarooSundown wrote:
Then HOW do you justify your lack of prepardness for a criminal attack, and WHY do you keep talking about how there is no reason to fear where you are!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Its a good thing humans dont need logic to live, because you would have run out a loooooong time ago
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I don't fear minor assaults, disturbances, burglaries and petty thefts, I don't worry about them, I live my life instead.
Now I worry very much getting killed and that is not likely to happen to me, two to three times less likely than to you with all your guns and all your preparedness JackarooSundown.
Who lives safer, who lives in fear JackarooSundown?
I live safer and you live in fear, you are very welcome to your guns they are making your life a misery.
I live in the satisfaction of knowing that if all else fails my God and my double derenger will protect me. There is no greater peace than that luckyluke.
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drBo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: JackarooSundown wrote:
Then HOW do you justify your lack of prepardness for a criminal attack, and WHY do you keep talking about how there is no reason to fear where you are!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Its a good thing humans dont need logic to live, because you would have run out a loooooong time ago
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I don't fear minor assaults, disturbances, burglaries and petty thefts, I don't worry about them, I live my life instead.
Now I worry very much getting killed and that is not likely to happen to me, two to three times less likely than to you with all your guns and all your preparedness JackarooSundown.
Who lives safer, who lives in fear JackarooSundown?
I live safer and you live in fear, you are very welcome to your guns they are making your life a misery.
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You seem to be under the delusion that all gun owners in the US do nothing but fear and hide all their lives. As a matter of fact, we all have lives. It is the fact that we have lives that we feel are worth protecting that separates us from you. |
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The Central Scrutinizer
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: It is up, what are you going to do about it? |
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Lucky Luke wrote: JackarooSundown wrote:
Then HOW do you justify your lack of prepardness for a criminal attack, and WHY do you keep talking about how there is no reason to fear where you are!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Its a good thing humans dont need logic to live, because you would have run out a loooooong time ago
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I don't fear minor assaults, disturbances, burglaries and petty thefts, I don't worry about them, I live my life instead.
Now I worry very much getting killed and that is not likely to happen to me, two to three times less likely than to you with all your guns and all your preparedness JackarooSundown.
Who lives safer, who lives in fear JackarooSundown?
I live safer and you live in fear, you are very welcome to your guns they are making your life a misery.
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I suppose it would be wasting my time to explain the "third cause fallacy" to you? |
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Lucky Luke
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drBo wrote:
The difference between our violent culture and yours is that the law-abiding here are evenly matched against possible assailants.
You still don't get my point either. I agree that there is a higher crime rate PER 100,000 OF POPULATION here. Im trying to show you one possible reason why. We have a BIGGER POPULATION, meaning greater diversity of people and income inequality, etc. That means that there are more people to possibly commit the crimes here than there are in the small area of Scotland.
They clearly are not DrBo, your murder rate is insane and going up! The situation is closed to get out of control, again.
No, DrBo because it is measured in crime rates per 100,000. Scotland is in fact less rich than America, per capita of course.
Anyway Scotland is a lot more violent and has a higher murder rate than the rest of the EU, can you understand this concept DrBo or would you like to take the crime rates per 100,000 of the whole of the EU with its larger population than the US?
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