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[Piotr]

Which of these concepts is most widely misunderstood, in your opinion?

[social]

Its gona have to be communism. The amount of people who conflate communism as a theory with communism as practiced by the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, etc. is astounding.

[Aqualung]

social wrote: Its gona have to be communism. The amount of people who conflate communism as a theory with communism as practiced by the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, etc. is astounding.
Same here. Communism is completely different from the fascism posing as communism you see in all those countries.

[Fido]

Piotr wrote: Which of these concepts is most widely misunderstood, in your opinion?

Capitalism, of course. It gets all duded up as an economic system, but it is really a religion held together by faith and fear.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Fido wrote: Piotr wrote: Which of these concepts is most widely misunderstood, in your opinion?

Capitalism, of course. It gets all duded up as an economic system, but it is really a religion held together by faith and fear.

Is it now.

[thefranzkafkafront]

I voted for all of them, because more commentetors on all these subjects generally have f**k all idea about what they are talking about.

[Anarko-Kapitalizt]

Its a tie w/ Anarchism and Capitalism for me.

[Fido]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Fido wrote: Piotr wrote: Which of these concepts is most widely misunderstood, in your opinion?

Capitalism, of course. It gets all duded up as an economic system, but it is really a religion held together by faith and fear.

Is it now.

Well... Yes. Calling capitalism an economic system is like calling cannibalism an economic system. The powerful and intelligent stealing from the weak and less intelligent cannot be justified by anything but faith and the acceptance of it is only possible out of fear of change. The result of capitalism is the destruction of life, the victory of poverty, ignorance, disease, violence and unhappiness; and at the end of it is the fatal weakening of every society that practices it. Certainly, it is a form of relationship, but one not ever meant to be continuous. It is the relationship of victor with victim. It is the relationship of a man to his meal.

[Selfish_Meme]

Pick any topic and you can always find many people to misunderstand it.

[Brucyboy26]

CrossEyedMary wrote: social wrote: Its gona have to be communism. The amount of people who conflate communism as a theory with communism as practiced by the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, etc. is astounding.
Same here. Communism is completely different from the fascism posing as communism you see in all those countries.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[thefranzkafkafront]

Fido wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Fido wrote: Piotr wrote: Which of these concepts is most widely misunderstood, in your opinion?

Capitalism, of course. It gets all duded up as an economic system, but it is really a religion held together by faith and fear.

Is it now.

Well... Yes. Calling capitalism an economic system is like calling cannibalism an economic system.
Really?

Quote:
The powerful and intelligent stealing from the weak and less intelligent cannot be justified by anything but faith and the acceptance of it is only possible out of fear of change. The result of capitalism is the destruction of life, the victory of poverty, ignorance, disease, violence and unhappiness; and at the end of it is the fatal weakening of every society that practices it. Certainly, it is a form of relationship, but one not ever meant to be continuous. It is the relationship of victor with victim. It is the relationship of a man to his meal.

Sounds like someone misunderstands the labour theory of value.

[skel1977]

Catholicism by the Catholics of course

[LostSoul3412]

Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: Its a tie w/ Anarchism and Capitalism for me.

Agreed, however I have seen many "pure" Anarchists not understand their very philosophies, and claim that Anarcho-Capitalism is not Anarchy...

Which is why my vote goes to Anarchy.

[Rankor and Pissing]

I actually couldn't take part in the poll... having a "misunderstanding" assumes some sort of knowledge already exists about all these... Most American's probably don't know about all of them - or - misunderstand all of them (as in they are ignorant of what these actually are).

I mean, comeon. The Jay Leno spots with the questions on the street like, "Who was the President of the United States during the Polish American War" while hilarious, are also very very depressing.

[social]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Fido wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Fido wrote: Piotr wrote: Which of these concepts is most widely misunderstood, in your opinion?

Capitalism, of course. It gets all duded up as an economic system, but it is really a religion held together by faith and fear.

Is it now.

Well... Yes. Calling capitalism an economic system is like calling cannibalism an economic system.
Really?

Quote:
The powerful and intelligent stealing from the weak and less intelligent cannot be justified by anything but faith and the acceptance of it is only possible out of fear of change. The result of capitalism is the destruction of life, the victory of poverty, ignorance, disease, violence and unhappiness; and at the end of it is the fatal weakening of every society that practices it. Certainly, it is a form of relationship, but one not ever meant to be continuous. It is the relationship of victor with victim. It is the relationship of a man to his meal.

Sounds like someone misunderstands the labour theory of value.

Yes and it appears to be you. Marx wrote volumes on how capitalism is an inherently destructive, cancerous economic system, which ties quite neatly to his theory of *surplus value labour*.

[LostSoul3412]

social wrote: Yes and it appears to be you. Marx wrote volumes on how capitalism is an inherently destructive, cancerous economic system, which ties quite neatly to his theory of *surplus value labour*.

Wealth of Nations

Book I: Chapter I: Page I: Paragraph III: Sentence I:

"Great manufactures... destined to supply the great wants of the great body of the people, every different branch of the work employs so great a number of workmen, that it is impossible to collect them all into the same workhouse."

Marx wasn't the only one writing about economics...

[FinnMacCool]

Communism hands down.

For anarchism, all you have to do is get the idea out of peoples heads that it means chaos and then explain the theory.

But for communism, you have to do away with all of the leninist bulls**t that has been reffered to as communism.

I really really do pity communists.

[FinnMacCool]

LostSoul3412 wrote: Anarko-Kapitalizt wrote: Its a tie w/ Anarchism and Capitalism for me.

Agreed, however I have seen many "pure" Anarchists not understand their very philosophies, and claim that Anarcho-Capitalism is not Anarchy...

Which is why my vote goes to Anarchy.

Anarcho capitalism is anarchy, as is any society that has no government, but it isn't anarchism. And there is no way in hell you will ever be able to claim anarchism as your own.

[Fido]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Fido wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Fido wrote: Piotr wrote: Which of these concepts is most widely misunderstood, in your opinion?

Capitalism, of course. It gets all duded up as an economic system, but it is really a religion held together by faith and fear.

Is it now.

Well... Yes. Calling capitalism an economic system is like calling cannibalism an economic system.
Really?

Quote:
The powerful and intelligent stealing from the weak and less intelligent cannot be justified by anything but faith and the acceptance of it is only possible out of fear of change. The result of capitalism is the destruction of life, the victory of poverty, ignorance, disease, violence and unhappiness; and at the end of it is the fatal weakening of every society that practices it. Certainly, it is a form of relationship, but one not ever meant to be continuous. It is the relationship of victor with victim. It is the relationship of a man to his meal.

Sounds like someone misunderstands the labour theory of value.

I doubt it. The first chapters of Das Capital are some of the best. Greece and Rome had their forms of capitalism as well and were destroyed by them. Excuse me please if I reject that same old failure for my country and my age. It did not work then, and it does not work now. Capitalism does not just bite; it chews and spits out whole societies and cultures. We have survived the socialism that spread mankind throughout the world, but have hardly survived Capitalism for more than two thousand years. We can see the end of peace, of fresh water, of sunshine, of fresh air, and freedom. What else can that cat pull out of its hat? Can it pull outer space, and another planet out of its butt when this one is wasted? Capitalism is no hope; but our destruction as a nation and a planet. No wonder the Muslims do not want it.

[FinnMacCool]

In addition, the very idea that the poor are poor because they are stupid is despicable. Wealth is a birth right, as is poverty.