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[kayvanblue]

what is it about this nation that makes others to fight them and to hate them all the time? If you buy a world map in Iran or some arabic countries you would not find israel on the map because simply they don't accept them as a country!
Go back to history , 1400 years ago, in Khandagh holy war,mohammad and his army slaughtered thousands jews, millions of jews vaporized during WWII by Hitler.Now after centuries they found themselves a land where they built thier state(as hezbollah says; they built thier state in sombody's else land)
in less than 60 years they managed to become a modern nation,what others failed to do so in centuries in that same region!

[bob.appleyard]

Tell me what a nation is, and I'll be able to answer.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Your question dosent relate to what you've written in the post body.

Also what bob said.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

bob.appleyard wrote: Tell me what a nation is, and I'll be able to answer.

Here is what others have written.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation-state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

[thefranzkafkafront]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: bob.appleyard wrote: Tell me what a nation is, and I'll be able to answer.

Here is what others have written.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation-state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

Its generally best for a person when making a debate to define the proposition himself.

I'd bet that bob allready knows most common defintions of 'nation' and is asking for this reason.

Also

*insert baseless attack on wikipedia here*

[bob.appleyard]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: bob.appleyard wrote: Tell me what a nation is, and I'll be able to answer.

Here is what others have written.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation-state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

I asked what a nation is, not what a nation-state or nationalism are. Both of these phenomena assume that the nation is well-defined.

[William Amos]

What does a persons religeous belief have to do with if they are or arent a nation ?

Not all Jewish people live in Israel and not all Israelis are jewish.

[Revenant]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: bob.appleyard wrote: Tell me what a nation is, and I'll be able to answer.

Here is what others have written.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation-state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

Its generally best for a person when making a debate to define the proposition himself.

I'd bet that bob allready knows most common defintions of 'nation' and is asking for this reason.

Also

*insert baseless attack on wikipedia here*

Well...wikipedia is rather...."meh" as a source.

[SouthernBelle82]

William Amos wrote: What does a persons religeous belief have to do with if they are or arent a nation ?

Not all Jewish people live in Israel and not all Israelis are jewish.

Exactly. That's really silly personally. For all anyone knows there could be athiest's who are Israeli. *shrug*

[SouthernBelle82]

Revenant wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: bob.appleyard wrote: Tell me what a nation is, and I'll be able to answer.

Here is what others have written.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation-state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

Its generally best for a person when making a debate to define the proposition himself.

I'd bet that bob allready knows most common defintions of 'nation' and is asking for this reason.

Also

*insert baseless attack on wikipedia here*

Well...wikipedia is rather...."meh" as a source.

I try to stay away from them if I can. I've had to use them once in a debate and grumbled the whole time but no where else had that info. :bang:

[William Amos]

Its typical here Belle

Stormfront likes to play on this site

Just go to their site and see how many threads seem the same

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

[thefranzkafkafront]

Revenant wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: bob.appleyard wrote: Tell me what a nation is, and I'll be able to answer.

Here is what others have written.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation-state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

Its generally best for a person when making a debate to define the proposition himself.

I'd bet that bob allready knows most common defintions of 'nation' and is asking for this reason.

Also

*insert baseless attack on wikipedia here*

Well...wikipedia is rather...."meh" as a source.

All sources have there faults, however a mature wikipedia article is extremely hard to beat.

Its need for neutrality, the fact it has to cite sources and that every article grows via debate. Are streanghs not weaknesses.

Instead of simply attacking in the basis that 'anyone can post' i'd like to see someone take an well developed article and fault its content.



Quote: Its typical here Belle

Stormfront likes to play on this site

Just go to their site and see how many threads seem the same

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

If nazi's use wikipedia that makes wikipedia bad.

Piss poor logic.

[Gnostic]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: bob.appleyard wrote: Tell me what a nation is, and I'll be able to answer.

Here is what others have written.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation-state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

Its generally best for a person when making a debate to define the proposition himself.

I'd bet that bob allready knows most common defintions of 'nation' and is asking for this reason.

Also

*insert baseless attack on wikipedia here*

:lol: :clap:

[Timur The Lame]

kayvanblue wrote: what is it about this nation that makes others to fight them and to hate them all the time? If you buy a world map in Iran or some arabic countries you would not find israel on the map because simply they don't accept them as a country!
Go back to history , 1400 years ago, in Khandagh holy war,mohammad and his army slaughtered thousands jews, millions of jews vaporized during WWII by Hitler.Now after centuries they found themselves a land where they built thier state(as hezbollah says; they built thier state in sombody's else land)
in less than 60 years they managed to become a modern nation,what others failed to do so in centuries in that same region!


Now that's a silly question. Are all the Muslims a nation? All the Christians? All the Caucasians? All the Slavs? All Arabs? All the Moors?

Given that the answer is no, then why the hell would all of the Jews be considered one nation? I’m an American first, then a Jew.

Now, if what you’re asking is if the Jews should be allowed to have their own nation, I can’t see why they shouldn’t, and the destruction of Israel after 60 years in the making is just a silly idea.

Oh, and if you're trying to legitimize that Protocols of the Elders of Zion non-sense, you don't realize that the Jew, and the Israeli in particular, are pawns themselves of the military, industrial, congressional complex.

[bob.appleyard]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Instead of simply attacking in the basis that 'anyone can post' i'd like to see someone take an well developed article and fault its content.

Here are some reviews of Wikipedia entries by relevent specialists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1599116,00.html

The reviews vary, from 0/10 to 8/10. Most say that, while they are usually correct factually, the writing is sometimes unclear, and emphasis is placed on odd things.

[thefranzkafkafront]

bob.appleyard wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Instead of simply attacking in the basis that 'anyone can post' i'd like to see someone take an well developed article and fault its content.

Here are some reviews of Wikipedia entries by relevent specialists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1599116,00.html

The reviews vary, from 0/10 to 8/10. Most say that, while they are usually correct factually, the writing is sometimes unclear, and emphasis is placed on odd things.

"Robert McHenry was editor-in-chief of the Encyclopedia Britannica from 1992 to 1997"

Prehaps not the best person to ask to objectivly assess wikipedia,.

However, I did never state that wikipedia is without flaws, however neither is the Britannica.

Certainly no one here should ever cite a blog as evidence while claiming wikipedia as unrealiable.

[bob.appleyard]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: "Robert McHenry was editor-in-chief of the Encyclopedia Britannica from 1992 to 1997"

Prehaps not the best person to ask to objectivly assess wikipedia,.

However, I did never state that wikipedia is without flaws, however neither is the Britannica.

Certainly no one here should ever cite a blog as evidence while claiming wikipedia as unrealiable.

Yeah, McHenry's review was little more than an advert for Brittanica. He didn't give it the lowest score, though.

I wasn't suggesting that you were saying Wikipedia was top, I was just providing you with something close to what you asked for.

And yes, it is the height of hypocrisy to post blogs and then frown on Wikis. At least Wikis are exposed to some editorial oversight, even if it's usually from amateurs. On the other hand, I've edited pages on medieval history, and my father, once I showed it to him, has edited a few pages on nuclear physics and safety analysis.

[thefranzkafkafront]

bob.appleyard wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: "Robert McHenry was editor-in-chief of the Encyclopedia Britannica from 1992 to 1997"

Prehaps not the best person to ask to objectivly assess wikipedia,.

However, I did never state that wikipedia is without flaws, however neither is the Britannica.

Certainly no one here should ever cite a blog as evidence while claiming wikipedia as unrealiable.

Yeah, McHenry's review was little more than an advert for Brittanica. He didn't give it the lowest score, though.

I wasn't suggesting that you were saying Wikipedia was top, I was just providing you with something close to what you asked for.

And yes, it is the height of hypocrisy to post blogs and then frown on Wikis. At least Wikis are exposed to some editorial oversight, even if it's usually from amateurs (I've edited pages on medieval history, and my father, once I showed it to him, has edited a few pages on nuclear physics and safety analysis).

Amature, you have a MA in history do you not?

If you take a look through most of the major contributors you find they normally hold degrees of some calibur in what they post in.

[bob.appleyard]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Amature, you have a MA in history do you not?

If you take a look through most of the major contributors you find they normally hold degrees of some calibur in what they post in.

I wasn't being very clear there, admittedly. The bits in brackets were counter examples.

[Robodoon]

kayvanblue wrote: what is it about this nation that makes others to fight them and to hate them all the time? If you buy a world map in Iran or some arabic countries you would not find israel on the map because simply they don't accept them as a country!
Go back to history , 1400 years ago, in Khandagh holy war,mohammad and his army slaughtered thousands jews, millions of jews vaporized during WWII by Hitler.Now after centuries they found themselves a land where they built thier state(as hezbollah says; they built thier state in sombody's else land)
in less than 60 years they managed to become a modern nation,what others failed to do so in centuries in that same region!

yeah empowered by the UN...but its always the USA that gets the blame for support..why are the Muslims pissed off at the UN?...well....

Its all part of the game. Learn about the Rich and you will learn about Israel. Now the Bad guys created Israel for evil purposes, but I think God meant it for good. It is part of a global trick via the Rich who hate God....but I support Israel, not so much the reasons of the state, but the people...the Jewish people!

This is all a geo political game of the highest order.

And no its not a Jewish Conspiracy, the Rich aren't Jewish...its all a game...a horrible game.