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Limey Boosk · Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 183 Location: Yorkshire, England

British empire.

1 Magna carta. Democracy. everyone equal.

2 British spin-offs. Canada, America, Australia, New Zealand. Top class democratic countries. The cream of the world. Add the others which are also independant now, but have democracy and law and you realise how Britain affected them.

3 Moral stands against tyrants. The crusades, Napolean, Hitler. The world would be an evil place without Britain standing alone against Hitler. Its taken down more tyrants than I've had hot dinners.

The Best Empire, the biggest Empire...The British Empire.

Who said America? thats a laugh. What has America created apart from chubby people with the burgers.

thundertaker · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:34 am Post subject:

Quote: Who said America? thats a laugh. What has America created apart from chubby people with the burgers.

Ironic how you've just described america as a 'top class democracy' and part of the 'cream of the world' then deride it with a comment like that...

skylance · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 163

Greece :arrow: Roma :arrow: Britain(fortunate as a island) :arrow: America

so,which one is the greatest ?

Roma is the Mighty,Greece is the Magic,without these two,British and Europe may not better than Africa now.

Siberian Fox · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 118 Location: California

America created a lot of technology. Sure fat people with their burgers and computers, but still I'm not complaining.

antonio62 · Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject:

Probably Britain. It did some pretty evil things but every other empire was just as bad (most not on the same scale but still as evil) and they did some brilliant things.

Everyone seems to be overlooking the Islamic empire of the middle ages. Not the best but deserves a mention. Did some brilliant work advancing almost everything and preserving others knowledge.

Siberian Fox · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 118 Location: California

antonio62 wrote: Probably Britain. It did some pretty evil things but every other empire was just as bad (most not on the same scale but still as evil) and they did some brilliant things.

Everyone seems to be overlooking the Islamic empire of the middle ages. Not the best but deserves a mention. Did some brilliant work advancing almost everything and preserving others knowledge.

I agree, the Arabs developed 0,along with other mathematical achievements, and advances in medical studies including the human anatomy. But I still do not think that they are the best.

Gaius · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 139

Limey Boosk wrote: British empire.

1 Magna carta. Democracy. everyone equal.

2 British spin-offs. Canada, America, Australia, New Zealand. Top class democratic countries. The cream of the world. Add the others which are also independant now, but have democracy and law and you realise how Britain affected them.

3 Moral stands against tyrants. The crusades, Napolean, Hitler. The world would be an evil place without Britain standing alone against Hitler. Its taken down more tyrants than I've had hot dinners.

The Best Empire, the biggest Empire...The British Empire.

Who said America? thats a laugh. What has America created apart from chubby people with the burgers.

Are you really calling the Crusades (A series of genocides) a moral stand against tyrants? Seriously?

Melcar · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject:

Siberian Fox wrote: antonio62 wrote: Probably Britain. It did some pretty evil things but every other empire was just as bad (most not on the same scale but still as evil) and they did some brilliant things.

Everyone seems to be overlooking the Islamic empire of the middle ages. Not the best but deserves a mention. Did some brilliant work advancing almost everything and preserving others knowledge.

I agree, the Arabs developed 0,along with other mathematical achievements, and advances in medical studies including the human anatomy. But I still do not think that they are the best.

Well, without the Arabs Europe would have really been in a Dark Age. The true contribution of the Arab empires was that they kept the civilizations of the world in contact with on another. One can even go as far as claim that the Arabs kept civilization itself alive during the Middle Ages.
Funny how many of the mathematical and astronomical (or should I say astrological?) achievements of the time where also being developed an ocean away in a continent soon to be labeled as backward and savage by Europeans.

eynon · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject:

Melcar wrote: Siberian Fox wrote: antonio62 wrote: Probably Britain. It did some pretty evil things but every other empire was just as bad (most not on the same scale but still as evil) and they did some brilliant things.

Everyone seems to be overlooking the Islamic empire of the middle ages. Not the best but deserves a mention. Did some brilliant work advancing almost everything and preserving others knowledge.

I agree, the Arabs developed 0,along with other mathematical achievements, and advances in medical studies including the human anatomy. But I still do not think that they are the best.

Well, without the Arabs Europe would have really been in a Dark Age. The true contribution of the Arab empires was that they kept the civilizations of the world in contact with on another. One can even go as far as claim that the Arabs kept civilization itself alive during the Middle Ages.
Funny how many of the mathematical and astronomical (or should I say astrological?) achievements of the time where also being developed an ocean away in a continent soon to be labeled as backward and savage by Europeans.

the Arabs virtually destroyed the Eastern-Roman empire, they were the last big push that brought on the Dark-ages.......sure their civilization was advanced, but not more-so then the Greeks or Persians they replaced.

Melcar · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject:

wannabe wrote: Melcar wrote: Siberian Fox wrote: antonio62 wrote: Probably Britain. It did some pretty evil things but every other empire was just as bad (most not on the same scale but still as evil) and they did some brilliant things.

Everyone seems to be overlooking the Islamic empire of the middle ages. Not the best but deserves a mention. Did some brilliant work advancing almost everything and preserving others knowledge.

I agree, the Arabs developed 0,along with other mathematical achievements, and advances in medical studies including the human anatomy. But I still do not think that they are the best.

Well, without the Arabs Europe would have really been in a Dark Age. The true contribution of the Arab empires was that they kept the civilizations of the world in contact with on another. One can even go as far as claim that the Arabs kept civilization itself alive during the Middle Ages.
Funny how many of the mathematical and astronomical (or should I say astrological?) achievements of the time where also being developed an ocean away in a continent soon to be labeled as backward and savage by Europeans.

the Arabs virtually destroyed the Eastern-Roman empire, they were the last big push that brought on the Dark-ages.......sure their civilization was advanced, but not more-so then the Greeks or Persians they replaced.

Both the Roman and Persian kingdoms were becoming very decadent. The fact that both of them were overcomed by the Arabs shows this. One cannot deny the Arab culture and peoples importance as the treaders of wealth and knowledge in those times. They linked the East with the dying West.

skylance · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 163

Siberian Fox wrote: antonio62 wrote: Probably Britain. It did some pretty evil things but every other empire was just as bad (most not on the same scale but still as evil) and they did some brilliant things.

Everyone seems to be overlooking the Islamic empire of the middle ages. Not the best but deserves a mention. Did some brilliant work advancing almost everything and preserving others knowledge.

I agree, the Arabs developed 0,along with other mathematical achievements, and advances in medical studies including the human anatomy. But I still do not think that they are the best.

it's ancient indian developed 0,not Ariabian.

Melcar · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject:

skylance wrote: Siberian Fox wrote: antonio62 wrote: Probably Britain. It did some pretty evil things but every other empire was just as bad (most not on the same scale but still as evil) and they did some brilliant things.

Everyone seems to be overlooking the Islamic empire of the middle ages. Not the best but deserves a mention. Did some brilliant work advancing almost everything and preserving others knowledge.

I agree, the Arabs developed 0,along with other mathematical achievements, and advances in medical studies including the human anatomy. But I still do not think that they are the best.

it's ancient indian developed 0,not Ariabian.

And it was the Arabs who exported it. It should be noted that the 0 was also developed in what was to become America.

sunwook · Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 457

The Islamic Empire was great indeed. But iirc, due to a different interpretation later on of their religion, they regressed and shunned science/mathematics and focused on their religion.

pikers · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject:

Timur The Lame wrote: *Cough* bulls**t post WW1 mandates are what led to this mess in the middleast*Cough*

Also, you’re just kinda wrong when it comes to calling the British “the largest democracy in the world” as it was an empire who ignored the interests of the indigenous peoples (who could not vote) and their white colonists (for the most part, the oligarches and state sanctioned monopolies sure had their interests guarded though) and who could also not vote.

The Tang and Romans beat them out when it comes to cultural influence in the region, the Ottomans beat them out for longevity and, from the early 13th to the late 16th, militarily.

The only real conceivable reason to exult the British is the diversity of their holdings, but they were far from enlightened, and to act like they were is a disservice to all that suffered under them.

%*

Actually, it's because whenever a civilized nation comes around and tries to make something out of nothing, it should be respected. The fact that it doesn't work very often speaks to the self-destructive nature of "indigenous peoples" living out in the middle of nowhere with little chance of creating their own success story.

My vote is clearly for Rome, BTW. Respect to Greece (not exactly an empire by Rome's standards), for without Greece there would be no foundation for Roman thought to build on.

pikers · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject:

Siberian Fox wrote: antonio62 wrote: Probably Britain. It did some pretty evil things but every other empire was just as bad (most not on the same scale but still as evil) and they did some brilliant things.

Everyone seems to be overlooking the Islamic empire of the middle ages. Not the best but deserves a mention. Did some brilliant work advancing almost everything and preserving others knowledge.

I agree, the Arabs developed 0, along with other mathematical achievements, and advances in medical studies including the human anatomy. But I still do not think that they are the best.

You're confused. The Arabs developed the modern numeric system, everything else of value = 0. :lol:

Anatomy is easy to study whilst cutting off the head/hand/genetalia of criminals, BTW. Civilization, indeed.

GOP (Grand Old Patriots) · Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 5 Location: Palatine, IL

Without a doubt, the Roman Empire was the greatest of all time, however you define 'greatest'. They were clearly the most dominant military, culture, and society in history, not only conquering most of the known world (Genghis Khan and Alexander can claim this as well) but holding it for centuries. They were able to assimilate conquered peoples into one homogeneous Roman state, something no one before (and one could argue after as well) had done.

Militarily, the Romans have no equal, either in terms of dominance or of sustained success. Well ahead of their time, the Roman army functioned more akin to a modern force than an ancient one. The first professional force, and the only for centuries to come, Roman steel was feared across the world. Well-trained, well-disciplined, equipped, and well-led, a legion was superior to any contemporary unit of equal size. In terms of total manpower, Imperial Rome's 5-600,000 man standing army, plus several million more potential militia recruits made it a military juggernaut unparalleled until the post-WWII USA.

Culturally, Rome spread a little thing called 'Western Civilization' (maybe you've heard of it?) across Europe, bringing Greek thought to all. Once the warring states of the Mediterranean were united under Rome, the Pax Romana was a period of great economic, cultural, and scientific advance. The ideas of freedom, civic virtue, liberty, representative government- all come from Rome. Nearly everything we hold dear has its birth in the Roman Empire. Rome gave its language to much of Europe, and spread literacy to where writing was unknown. Oh yeah, lest I forget, Rome was also instrumental in the birth and spread of Christianity, the world's largest religion. Who killed Jesus? New Testament locations: Jerusalem, Nazareth, Bethlehem, Corinth, Ephesus, Thessalonica, Rome, all under Roman rule. Christianity spread throughout the Empire as Rome's superb road system enabled easy travel for missionaries. Then, when Rome fell, barbarian tribes in Europe were converted as well.

Socially, our system of government, much of our language, and much of our everyday lives to Rome. Keystones and thus arches? Rome. Domes? Rome. Well-kept, standardized roadways? Rome. First welfare system (for all you pinkos out there)? Rome. Modern-style engineering and architectural knowledge? Rome. Concrete? Rome. Innovations in bureaucracy, infrastructure, organization, etc? Rome. Universal citizenship? Rome. Equality under the law for all races, colors, and tribes? Rome. The inspiration for countless poems, plays, novels, paintings, sculptures, and other works of art? Rome.

I think that even all you anti-Western, 'white man is the devil' people out there can acknowledge Rome's greatness. They did not enslave based on race. They did not practice apartheid. They embraced and accepted other cultures, importing any elements of other cultures that they found particularly desirable. No matter what your standing in life, no matter where you were born, you were a civis, a citizen, and no man could conceive of any honor higher than that. Many emperors were not native Italians, Hadrian was a Spaniard for example. There are countless recorded instances when a poor plebeian rose to achieve great things. Nothing stood in one's way except oneself.

Rome was the greatest empire the world has ever known. All roads lead to her, Eternal City of the Seven Hills. I welcome anyone to dispute (rationally and knowledgeably) my beliefs.

skylance · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 163

GOP (Grand Old Patriots) wrote: Without a doubt, the Roman Empire was the greatest of all time,

why Rome and Greece are great?
because they succeeded developed mideast's culture.

why Rome and Greece kept different political system?
because their babarian tribe' society structure.

that's true history and nature.

"anti-western"?no,God roll,you get the small number,but the rule is "the smallest win".
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I just want to tell Mr.Bush to stop his foolish "expanding democracy plan"
democracy isn't a gift from God,just a gift from long time babarian's lives.
:ah:

Rilzic · Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Alb, NM, USA

I would say Rome. But the British were pretty wild in their day too. Also some of the Chinese dynasties were comparable to Rome. America after WW2 is just in military power and overall the Americans aren't done yet and it is to modern to include them yet.

lovebush · Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 1147

thundertaker wrote: British, obviously. The spread of liberty and democracy is a direct result of the British Empire....

you mean a direct result of its desintegration.

eynon · Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:16 am Post subject:

lovebush wrote: thundertaker wrote: British, obviously. The spread of liberty and democracy is a direct result of the British Empire....

you mean a direct result of its desintegration.

hardly.....if anything the empire's breakdown made them hold onto territory longer......