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Silkheat
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: Foreign Women, are they better for marriage? |
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In today's American society it seems that marriage is just the first step towards divorce where the American man is took to the proverbial cleaner.
It also is apparent for the most part that American women are the exact equals, if not dominant through laws, to the American man.Traditional patriarchal paradigms have been shattered. The American women is becoming almost identical to the American man, except that typically she is brought up to believe in entitlement, while men know they get nothing for free.
My question is this; Since we understand the concept of equality, is it wrong then to look for women in foreign lands that still hold the concept of femininity; where a women still feels comfortable being a women and has a sense of family values? |
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TheGirlNextDoor
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Silkheat
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TheGirlNextDoor wrote: Moved to society.
In other words, wasteland. Does anyone even come to this forum? When was the alst post, 1999? |
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TheGirlNextDoor
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Silkheat wrote: TheGirlNextDoor wrote: Moved to society.
In other words, wasteland. Does anyone even come to this forum? When was the alst post, 1999?
This is not a topic to be discussed in the Lounge. And if you'd take the time to look around - this forum is fairly active. |
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TheGirlNextDoor
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Foreign Women, are they better for marriage? |
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Silkheat wrote: In today's American society it seems that marriage is just the first step towards divorce where the American man is took to the proverbial cleaner.
It also is apparent for the most part that American women are the exact equals, if not dominant through laws, to the American man.Traditional patriarchal paradigms have been shattered. The American women is becoming almost identical to the American man, except that typically she is brought up to believe in entitlement, while men know they get nothing for free.
My question is this; Since we understand the concept of equality, is it wrong then to look for women in foreign lands that still hold the concept of femininity; where a women still feels comfortable being a women and has a sense of family values?
In other words - you want a woman who is subserviant and has no strong opinions about much of anything. A woman that will do whatever it is you want to do. Is that it? A woman that would never divorce you?
1. Who says that as an American woman I don't have a concept of fmininity - what the hell? That would be like me saying that American men have no concept of being a gentleman. Do you mean American women don't wear pearls and high heels when they clean house... or what exactly? :?
2. I'm divorced after 15 years of marriage to a person that thought it was his "duty" (apparently) to sow his oats outside of our marriage and to smack me around from time to time. He pays a little over 300/mo for child support. In support of HIS and MY children. I don't think that's too much to ask. And that again, is for TWO children. So.. that is the courts being dominated by me.. a woman? Yes, he had some STRONG family values there.. but no.. you're right.. it's American WOMEN without the sense of family values. I see.
3. I grew up in a military household and was taught that nothing was to be handed to me. That the only person I had to rely upon was myself. Funny, you mention how men and women are equal (in the first part of your post you act like that's a BAD thing) then you go on to say that American women feel "entitled"? Entitled to what for goddsakes!? Entitled to be treated as a human being and with respect? Maybe it's not American women with the problem.. perhaps it's the way American women are treated... by AMERICAN MEN. :think: Has that ever occured to you?
4. And who exactly are you.. to tell American women whether or not they feel "comfortable" being women?? I don't understand that at all. Are you female? Is your mom involved in your life? Are you divorced? Do you have any sisters?? I ask these things, because I've always wondered why you are so against American women.
I'm seeing a trend here lately. A trend that I will not pretend to understand. The trend is to not talk about preferences when it comes to partners (marriage/romantic partners) but it's to DOWN everyone else.
Why?
If you prefer another ethnicity of women, that is certainly your perogative. I just don't understand why you and others like you, feel the need to put down the entire female population of the United States because of....? <--- And that's the part I don't get. Surely you haven't met every single woman in every single city/state in the U.S. - correct? Then how can you make such insulting, gross generalizations about American women?
As an American woman, I get so very sick and tired of feeling like we (American women) are being s**t on around this place and made to feel as though we're nothing more than a sticky piece of gum stuck on the bottom of someone's boot, simply because some people here have apparently had a very bad experience with a few women who HAPPENED to be American.
Damn good thing I don't run around this world with the mindset that you all (American Men) are carbon copies of my ex-husband....Lest you be thought of as lying, cheating, abusive bastards.
Much like some of you run around thinking that American women are all the same.... IE: money grubbing feminists that generally hate men and only want to grind their steel toed boots into their groins, hate children and have no concept of selflessness.
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| When I was living in the Midwest of the US in the early 90s, they seemed to have more traditional gender roles and family values than anywhere else I've ever been. Though I haven't been back since 1994........ |
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Foreign Women, are they better for marriage? |
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Silkheat wrote: In today's American society it seems that marriage is just the first step towards divorce where the American man is took to the proverbial cleaner.
It also is apparent for the most part that American women are the exact equals, if not dominant through laws, to the American man.Traditional patriarchal paradigms have been shattered. The American women is becoming almost identical to the American man, except that typically she is brought up to believe in entitlement, while men know they get nothing for free.
My question is this; Since we understand the concept of equality, is it wrong then to look for women in foreign lands that still hold the concept of femininity; where a women still feels comfortable being a women and has a sense of family values?
Not according to Eddie Murphy.......... They live here for a while, and they learn what community property means :-)
Personally, I think most women in this country are and want to be feminine. Divorce is more of a result of unrealistic expectaions and lack of communication before and during marriage. Marriage is hard work, but it's worth it. |
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TheGirlNextDoor
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thundertaker wrote: When I was living in the Midwest of the US in the early 90s, they seemed to have more traditional gender roles and family values than anywhere else I've ever been. Though I haven't been back since 1994........
What part of the Midwest? I'm in Kansas.... just curious where you were. |
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thundertaker
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TheGirlNextDoor wrote: thundertaker wrote: When I was living in the Midwest of the US in the early 90s, they seemed to have more traditional gender roles and family values than anywhere else I've ever been. Though I haven't been back since 1994........
What part of the Midwest? I'm in Kansas.... just curious where you were.
I lived in Kickapoo county, Illinois, near Peoria for 3 years. They were definately more socially conservative than Britain. Traditional stay at home mothers were a more common and accepted feature there than they were over here at the same time. My mother was never subjected to the same patronising attitudes for staying at home and looking after us than she was in England before and since we lived over there..... |
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Silkheat
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Foreign Women, are they better for marriage? |
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TheGirlNextDoor wrote:
In other words - you want a woman who is subserviant and has no strong opinions about much of anything. A woman that will do whatever it is you want to do. Is that it? A woman that would never divorce you?
No, American men are happy for men to be men and women to be women; American women want us all to be women. When those unrealistic goals fall unrealized, a divorce happens where the state rapes the man.
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1. Who says that as an American woman I don't have a concept of fmininity - what the hell? That would be like me saying that American men have no concept of being a gentleman. Do you mean American women don't wear pearls and high heels when they clean house... or what exactly? :?
What you where makes little difference, it is who you are. Thorugh American media,( Operah, Cosmo, Etc) entitlement and resentment is a staple amongst American women. I see it all the time in my friends; "Why isn't he doing this for me.?" Break ups and divorce are inevitably the man's fault one way or another in the eyes of most American women.
You know cosmo has done more damage to this country than Bush?
Foreign women are psychologically coherent. They are sexy because they are women and like being sexy, not as a Vaudeville act or marketing tool. Resentment is not their primary emotion. They love their children and regard raising them as a pleasure, not an imposition of which they are ashamed.
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2. I'm divorced after 15 years of marriage to a person that thought it was his "duty" (apparently) to sow his oats outside of our marriage and to smack me around from time to time. He pays a little over 300/mo for child support. In support of HIS and MY children. I don't think that's too much to ask. And that again, is for TWO children. So.. that is the courts being dominated by me.. a woman? Yes, he had some STRONG family values there.. but no.. you're right.. it's American WOMEN without the sense of family values. I see.
Sounds like a bad guy. Abuse can never be tolerated, and I feel for you. Who got the house?
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3. I grew up in a military household and was taught that nothing was to be handed to me. That the only person I had to rely upon was myself. Funny, you mention how men and women are equal (in the first part of your post you act like that's a BAD thing) then you go on to say that American women feel "entitled"? Entitled to what for goddsakes!? Entitled to be treated as a human being and with respect? Maybe it's not American women with the problem.. perhaps it's the way American women are treated... by AMERICAN MEN. :think: Has that ever occured to you?
Yes, it is the American man's fault; as it always is.....
You are reiterating my point.
Also another point is that I can remember the last time a women apologized to me. WHy can I remember? It is because it only happened once. I have had several relationships. American women rarely admit they are wrong.
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4. And who exactly are you.. to tell American women whether or not they feel "comfortable" being women?? I don't understand that at all. Are you female? Is your mom involved in your life? Are you divorced? Do you have any sisters?? I ask these things, because I've always wondered why you are so against American women.
I am not against American women. I have many women friends, and I know them as friends and witness their lifestyles. I am very sceptical of what marriage has become in society, and I don't think most women have been raised in this country to repect marriage or men. Men are almost just play things, which we are happy to be while dating, but something held in contempt in this country by women. You don't see it because you are a women. Women want this ideal relationship that cosmo and operah have taught them they deserve, and when men fall short.......
What is that show? Every one loves Raymond? I would like to kick that guys ass. He is an example of contempt for men...
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I'm seeing a trend here lately. A trend that I will not pretend to understand. The trend is to not talk about preferences when it comes to partners (marriage/romantic partners) but it's to DOWN everyone else.
I haven't been in here so I can't comment, but you may be right
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Why?
If you prefer another ethnicity of women, that is certainly your perogative. I just don't understand why you and others like you, feel the need to put down the entire female population of the United States because of....? <--- And that's the part I don't get. Surely you haven't met every single woman in every single city/state in the U.S. - correct? Then how can you make such insulting, gross generalizations about American women?
I am not putting you down, I am just saying I will probably marry a foreigner, if I marry at all. I don't think America is the place to find a wife.
As far as a generalization, almost every opinion regarding this subject will inevitably a generalization one way or another so your point is moot.
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As an American woman, I get so very sick and tired of feeling like we (American women) are being s**t on around this place and made to feel as though we're nothing more than a sticky piece of gum stuck on the bottom of someone's boot, simply because some people here have apparently had a very bad experience with a few women who HAPPENED to be American.
I haven't really had a "bad" experience, and at least you can give me some credit for being honest with you on how I feel. WOuld you rather me lie to you and tell you what you want to hear? I wouldn't do that because that lacks integrity, and you are right to assume their are many guys who would...
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Damn good thing I don't run around this world with the mindset that you all (American Men) are carbon copies of my ex-husband....Lest you be thought of as lying, cheating, abusive bastards.
You certainly have those walls though....;.
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Much like some of you run around thinking that American women are all the same.... IE: money grubbing feminists that generally hate men and only want to grind their steel toed boots into their groins, hate children and have no concept of selflessness.
Gotcha.
No, I consider American women have unrealistic expectations about relationships that they have been taught by an etitlement driven era, Men are expected to meet all these unrealistic goals that sell papers. I refuse to take any more cosmo bs relationship tests....
Give me a good girl who is down to earth, thinks Operah is a tub of whale lard, knows goood work ethics, likes being a women, and I am in love.
Haven't found one in this country. |
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Silkheat
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Foreign Women, are they better for marriage? |
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perdidochas wrote:
Not according to Eddie Murphy.......... They live here for a while, and they learn what community property means :-)
Personally, I think most women in this country are and want to be feminine. Divorce is more of a result of unrealistic expectaions and lack of communication before and during marriage. Marriage is hard work, but it's worth it.
Marriage has become institutonal sexism in this country. Also combine that with the fact that Women here know it and you have divorce threats as a tool in marriage.
Traditional family values are pretty important to me. |
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Wow Thundertaker, not like women much? seriously, that is just a slam against women of this country that is unwarranted and I've been through a painful divorce and even I don't have that negative a view.
One of the reasons why some women are now seeking a divorce is simply because it is no longer socially unacceptable to do so. More women are able to make ends meet without the income of their husband.
Want a fair settlement through a divorce, hire a good lawyer, that would be a start. I pay 25% of my salary to child support for two children (sorry GND) and I don't consider that to be unfair. I was spending at least that much for them when my ex and my children were living with me. What she was unable to do though was to sink me for additional BS which she tried to do. There are always people who will put someone up to something or make them believe they were entitled to it. Since she was the one who initiaited the divorce a good lawyer will see to it that the reasons of the divorce match what the person seeking the divorce, in this case the woman will recieve. Her reason for wanting a divorce is because we didn't love each other anymore and that is not a reason to be entitled extra money. Without a good lawyer many guys will get shafted. Many guys will also try to get out of paying what they owe. It is a two way street in terms of divorce. What is driving all of this is the business that the lawyers are in now.
But there is one other thing I would like to address with your post. American women are just as good as any other woman in terms of marraige IF you find the right one. I also hate to be the one to tell you this but many foreign women use American men as a ticket into this country and once here they are off to the courts. :wink: |
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Quote: Wow Thundertaker, not like women much? seriously, that is just a slam against women of this country that is unwarranted and I've been through a painful divorce and even I don't have that negative a view.
Uh, you're attacking the wrong person mate.
Apology accepted in advance... |
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Silkheat
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00timh wrote: Wow Thundertaker, not like women much? seriously, that is just a slam against women of this country that is unwarranted and I've been through a painful divorce and even I don't have that negative a view.
One of the reasons why some women are now seeking a divorce is simply because it is no longer socially unacceptable to do so. More women are able to make ends meet without the income of their husband.
Want a fair settlement through a divorce, hire a good lawyer, that would be a start. I pay 25% of my salary to child support for two children (sorry GND) and I don't consider that to be unfair. I was spending at least that much for them when my ex and my children were living with me. What she was unable to do though was to sink me for additional BS which she tried to do. There are always people who will put someone up to something or make them believe they were entitled to it. Since she was the one who initiaited the divorce a good lawyer will see to it that the reasons of the divorce match what the person seeking the divorce, in this case the woman will recieve. Her reason for wanting a divorce is because we didn't love each other anymore and that is not a reason to be entitled extra money. Without a good lawyer many guys will get shafted. Many guys will also try to get out of paying what they owe. It is a two way street in terms of divorce. What is driving all of this is the business that the lawyers are in now.
But there is one other thing I would like to address with your post. American women are just as good as any other woman in terms of marraige IF you find the right one. I also hate to be the one to tell you this but many foreign women use American men as a ticket into this country and once here they are off to the courts. :wink:
You think that I would fall for something like that? I am not talking about mail order brides. :lol:
Here this is a great article on the subject, I need to post it as I borrowed a couple lines from it on my big post.
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Will Someone For God's Sake Marry Maureen?
Maybe She'll Shut Up
November 21, 2005
I read with ashen resignation that Maureen Dowd, the professional spinster of the New York Times, will soon birth a book, no doubt parthenogenetically, called Are Men Necessary? The problem apparently is that men have not found Maureen necessary. Hell hath…. Clearly there is something wrong with men.
I weary of the self-absorbed clucking of aging poultry.
Why is Maureen hermetically single? For starters, she is not just now your classic hot ticket. She’s not just over the hill, but into the mountains, to Grandmother’s house we go. She probably gets more daily maintenance than a 747, but she still looks as though a vocational school held an injection-molding contest and everyone lost. That leaves her with only her personality as bait. The prognosis is grim.
Was that ungentlemanly? She makes a career of being disagreeable about men. What’s sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose, say I.
Reading her unending plaints, one concludes that she is deeply in love—with herself, and too loyal ever to cheat with a man. Behind her writing you always hear the little voice, “I’m so wonderful, so elite…why doesn’t somebody marry me?” (Well, Maureen, I can give you a few ideas. You’re a pain in the ass….) “I’m so smart, I’m so powerful, I’m so, sooo elite, so talented, so…special.” As, in their way, are ingrown toenails. “I’m successful, shriek. Men hate me because I’m smart. They feel threatened because I’m so wonderful.”
Actually, Maureen, you are no more threatening, or appealing, than somebody else’s gym socks. I suspect that men don’t like you because you aren’t likeable.
Now, precisely why are you so wonderful? Clearly you aren’t stupid. You are a competent if sophomoric writer. Dummies can’t do that. But I’ll tell you what, Sweet Potato: I don’t think I know anyone who would want to go out with you. As best I can tell, should you have an original thought, it would need counseling, for depression and loneliness.
Smart women are an attraction of Washington, at least the parts off the cocktail circuit. They made fifteen years in that wretched city bearable for me. I knew women with serious brains, golden-girl biochemists at NIH, a gal who ran a federal positron-emission tomography lab, weirded-out computer techs, startlingly good writers and chicks who had popped scores you wouldn’t believe on tests at NSA that aren’t supposed to exist. They’d eat you for lunch, Maureen.
Now, I know that people at the New York Times have ample self-esteem, and indeed come coated with it to a depth of inches. How about we have a little understanding here. In journalism as in politics, advancement has little to do with merit. Have you checked the contents of the White House lately? Dan Rather and Connie Chung are pinnacles of anything at all? I’ve been around this game as long as you have and I know how the scam works. Getting to the upper ranks of journalism is a matter of luck, sexual sharing, brown-nosing, and staying carefully within the bounds of the regnant politics of the newsroom.
You are journalistic glitter, Maureen—Reporter Barbie, a literary Streisand. While working for the Times is perhaps nothing to be ashamed of, I’d keep quiet about it.
Maureen’s agonizing does however provide exegesis of the American female mind at a curious moment. Again and again their question seems to be, what form of pretense is needed to achieve marriage? Must I feign sex-kittenhood? Be a calculated suck-up who always laughs at his jokes? Hide my brains? The underlying idea is that they must commit some fraud to attract a man. This of course implies that they aren’t attractive without committing fraud.
I’ll give them that.
Those of us who have wives from Mexico, Thailand, the Philippines, Chile, or China view Maureen as being a very strange creature indeed, perhaps expelled from a geothermal vent. (“Hi! I’m Fred. What’s your phylum?”) Like Maureen, so many gringas don’t seem to know who they are, what they are, what they want to be, or how to get there. I think of a tinkertoy construction made by an insane two-year-old: a lot of protruding parts that don’t fit together.
By contrast foreign women are psychologically coherent. They are sexy because they are women and like being sexy, not as a Vaudeville act or marketing tool. Resentment is not their primary emotion. They love their children and regard raising them as a pleasure, not an imposition of which they are ashamed.
If you read Maureen and her littermates, you realize that they are those most uncomfortable of women, heterosexual man-haters. For example, Maureen, from her new book:
“Men, apparently, learn early to protect their eggshell egos from high-achieving women. The girls said they hid the fact that they went to Harvard from guys they met because it was the kiss of death.”
Who would marry that? Yet it is classic Maureen, snotty, catty, hostile. As for her own Kevlar ego, there’s this, from her interview with Howard Kurtz:
“Even after a decade of writing a New York Times column, she admits to being ‘very thin-skinned’ about criticism. ‘I'm just not temperamentally suited to it,’ Dowd says. ‘The first couple of years I spent curled up on the floor and crying.’”
Oh.
The drumbeat of animosity is never missing from her hetero-anguished feminism. Men are vain, frightened, immature, unreliable, treacherous, fascinated by gewgaws, obsessed with sex, and unfaithful. Several questions arise. If men are so bad, why does Maureen want one? What kind of men has she been running around with? Those closely resembling herself, it sounds as if. Most to the point, why would any man want anything to do with such a woman?
This confusion and hostility has made the American woman into an internationally acclaimed shrew. Yes, there are degrees, and perhaps more exceptions than examples, but talk to white men from Washington to Hong Kong and you see the same shudder.
These gals are wound too tight. Recently I was aboard a highway bus in an American enclave in Mexico. A gringa wanted to get off where there was no stop. The driver didn’t understand her. In Mexico they speak Spanish, a point which apparently had eluded her. She began yelling at him abusively. (Verbatim quote: “You’re the worst! You suck! You’re the worst!”)
They do this. People notice. A friend somehow found himself talking with a gringa who had one of those puffy little white dogs you could buff a truck with. He said, “Cute little thing. I’ve got a real dog.” This mild witticism set her into yelling.
Par.
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00timh
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thundertaker wrote: Quote: Wow Thundertaker, not like women much? seriously, that is just a slam against women of this country that is unwarranted and I've been through a painful divorce and even I don't have that negative a view.
Uh, you're attacking the wrong person mate.
Apology accepted in advance... Sorry :!oops: |
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TheGirlNextDoor wrote: thundertaker wrote: When I was living in the Midwest of the US in the early 90s, they seemed to have more traditional gender roles and family values than anywhere else I've ever been. Though I haven't been back since 1994........
What part of the Midwest? I'm in Kansas.... just curious where you were.
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Silkheat
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00timh wrote: thundertaker wrote: Quote: Wow Thundertaker, not like women much? seriously, that is just a slam against women of this country that is unwarranted and I've been through a painful divorce and even I don't have that negative a view.
Uh, you're attacking the wrong person mate.
Apology accepted in advance... Sorry :!oops:
Since you were attacking me I will adress your post. My view isn't negative, American women are great to date and be friends with; just not to marry for the most part.
You can disagree with me all you want, but that doesn't make it a slam or an attack against American women. Marriage in the states wasn't what it used to be. Maybe it was never great, my parents have been married 32 years, and if I get married I expect the same thing.
Since you said you got divorced, may I asked wHo filed? The majority of divorces in this country are filed by women. |
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So here is the deal...
Find that man/woman that you love. Think of there wants and needs before your own. That is what being in a relationship is all about. Stop thinking about what they should do to make the relationship better... do what you can do to make it better. I hear a lot from men that "women should do this and be this.." and from women that "men should do this and be this...". If you think this way, you will probably be divorced rather quickly. Trust me, your needs will be met if you try and meet your partners needs first. Basically, just don't be selfish and you will find love. |
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| I agree with you, Silkheat, to an extent. I too look for a more traditional woman. However, I'm not quite at the point of looking at foreign women. Although scarce, especially in places like my State, California, you can still find such women in this country. Good places to look are more traditional churches, like Catholic and Lutheran churches. It is traditional women who make the best wives. I too, lament the high divorce rates of this country as well. They are detrimental to our society and are the result of declining virtue in this country, which is unfortunate, because such virtue is necessary for freedom to thrive, especially under the Libertarian government ( I don't mean gov't-coerced virtue, which isn't virtue in and of itself). |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Foreign Women, are they better for marriage? |
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Silkheat wrote: No, American men are happy for men to be men and women to be women; American women want us all to be women. When those unrealistic goals fall unrealized, a divorce happens where the state rapes the man.
American women want all American men to be women? In all sincerity, what a load of crap. I really don't know what to say to that, because it is so untrue.
Silkheat wrote: What you where makes little difference, it is who you are. Thorugh American media,( Operah, Cosmo, Etc) entitlement and resentment is a staple amongst American women. I see it all the time in my friends; "Why isn't he doing this for me.?" Break ups and divorce are inevitably the man's fault one way or another in the eyes of most American women.
Maybe you can re-evaluate your friends and find more kindred spirits to hang out with. And when a man goes through a divorce, doesn't he see it as the woman's fault? I know he does, I've seen it firsthand. That's human nature, no one wants to take the blame for failure.
Silkheat wrote: You know cosmo has done more damage to this country than Bush?.
cosmo? You mean the magazine? Is that thing still around? OK...whatever. :roll:
Silkheat wrote: Foreign women are psychologically coherent. They are sexy because they are women and like being sexy, not as a Vaudeville act or marketing tool. Resentment is not their primary emotion. They love their children and regard raising them as a pleasure, not an imposition of which they are ashamed.?
Where to begin, this is such a strange statement. In your mind foreign women are non-Americans only. Have you been out there in the world? There are around 200 countries on this planet, give or take. And you summarize non-American women this way? Racist.
Silkheat wrote: Also another point is that I can remember the last time a women apologized to me. WHy can I remember? It is because it only happened once. I have had several relationships. American women rarely admit they are wrong.
Gee, I'm sorry. Seriously, you sound like a little boy here. Talk about sense of entitlement.
Silkheat wrote: I am not against American women. I have many women friends, and I know them as friends and witness their lifestyles. I am very sceptical of what marriage has become in society, and I don't think most women have been raised in this country to repect marriage or men. Men are almost just play things, which we are happy to be while dating, but something held in contempt in this country by women. You don't see it because you are a women. Women want this ideal relationship that cosmo and operah have taught them they deserve, and when men fall short........
To the contrary, you appear to be very much against American women, you have admitted to never wanting to marry one and you complain about them all the time. You got something against them.
Silkheat wrote: What is that show? Every one loves Raymond? I would like to kick that guys ass. He is an example of contempt for men...
He's a dufus. But if you're looking to blame women for that show, let me remind you that he was the producer and inspiration for the show. Correct?
Silkheat wrote: I am not putting you down, I am just saying I will probably marry a foreigner, if I marry at all. I don't think America is the place to find a wife.
Well good luck with that, sorting out all the complexities of the "foreign" world.
Silkheat wrote: Give me a good girl who is down to earth, thinks Operah is a tub of whale lard, knows goood work ethics, likes being a women, and I am in love. Haven't found one in this country.
Wow, you don't get out much do ya? Have you tried looking within to figure out why you can't meet such a woman, because they are out there, in droves.
Overall, your sense of entitlement is exceeded only by your bitterness toward women. I wish you all the luck. |
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