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[fabb1963]

Why is it not surprising that Washington encourages invasions of countries in the name of fighting the war on terror? This trend is leading to the countdown to WWIII if countries start disregarding the governments of others and international law.

http://www.ironicallyspeaking.net/INTERNATIONAL%20NEWS/JUL21200601.htm

[Duchifas]

fabb1963 wrote: Why is it not surprising that Washington encourages invasions of countries in the name of fighting the war on terror? This trend is leading to the countdown to WWIII if countries start disregarding the governments of others and international law.

http://www.ironicallyspeaking.net/INTERNATIONAL%20NEWS/JUL21200601.htm

Don't you worry. I am sure that under Zapatero's socialist utopia, your country will stay as far away from WWIII as possible. Your siesta will be just fine. Relax.

[fabb1963]

Duchifas wrote: fabb1963 wrote: Why is it not surprising that Washington encourages invasions of countries in the name of fighting the war on terror? This trend is leading to the countdown to WWIII if countries start disregarding the governments of others and international law.

http://www.ironicallyspeaking.net/INTERNATIONAL%20NEWS/JUL21200601.htm

Don't you worry. I am sure that under Zapatero's socialist utopia, your country will stay as far away from WWIII as possible. Your siesta will be just fine. Relax.

I live in Spain, but I am not Spanish. So, your assumptions of my President are wrong since...for better or worst...my President is Bush.

[loquitor]

is this news or just an essay containing an opinion?

[Pebble]

fabb1963 wrote: Duchifas wrote: fabb1963 wrote: Why is it not surprising that Washington encourages invasions of countries in the name of fighting the war on terror? This trend is leading to the countdown to WWIII if countries start disregarding the governments of others and international law.

http://www.ironicallyspeaking.net/INTERNATIONAL%20NEWS/JUL21200601.htm

Don't you worry. I am sure that under Zapatero's socialist utopia, your country will stay as far away from WWIII as possible. Your siesta will be just fine. Relax.

I live in Spain, but I am not Spanish. So, your assumptions of my President are wrong since...for better or worst...my President is Bush.

That backfired very badly for you didn't it Duchy? :P


Back onto the topic, whilst it is no suprise that Washington is condoning the acts of Israel in this manner, I currently doubt that it will lead us to another global conflict, international law being brushed aside is sadly not a new concept.

[henri]

fabb1963 wrote: Why is it not surprising that Washington encourages invasions of countries in the name of fighting the war on terror? This trend is leading to the countdown to WWIII if countries start disregarding the governments of others and international law.

http://www.ironicallyspeaking.net/INTERNATIONAL%20NEWS/JUL21200601.htm

*****

It is not suprising because the Jews/Israel controls America, period.

[superskippy]

More wonderful wisdom from Henri.

[maalox]

USA is terrorisme, they just , can`t skip a war


imperialisme , pffffffffft

[lester1/2jr]

we are so dead

[henri]

superskippy wrote: More wonderful wisdom from Henri.

*****

Wrong.

I got it straight from the monkey's mouth, Ariel Sharon:

To Shimon Perez: "I want to tell you something very clear. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it". (Ariel Sharon, October3, 2001 to Shimon Perez, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio)

[Pelagius]

fabb1963 wrote: Why is it not surprising that Washington encourages invasions of countries in the name of fighting the war on terror? This trend is leading to the countdown to WWIII if countries start disregarding the governments of others and international law.

http://www.ironicallyspeaking.net/INTERNATIONAL%20NEWS/JUL21200601.htm


Washington is right to approve. Israel has every right to defend herself with any and all means at her disposal Nothing Israel does militarily can compare to the evil that is wrought daily by Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, Iran and their western apologists.

[programmusic]

henri wrote: superskippy wrote: More wonderful wisdom from Henri.

*****

Wrong.

I got it straight from the monkey's mouth, Ariel Sharon:

To Shimon Perez: "I want to tell you something very clear. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it". (Ariel Sharon, October3, 2001 to Shimon Perez, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio)

And where did you read about that? Stormfront? You heard it on Kol Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouze_Merham

[SaladFingers]

henri wrote: fabb1963 wrote: Why is it not surprising that Washington encourages invasions of countries in the name of fighting the war on terror? This trend is leading to the countdown to WWIII if countries start disregarding the governments of others and international law.

http://www.ironicallyspeaking.net/INTERNATIONAL%20NEWS/JUL21200601.htm

*****

It is not suprising because the Jews/Israel controls America, period.

Jewish people do control a large percentage of wealth. Look at jewel dealerships and what not.

Everyone here condems Israel's invason of Lebanon. Israels response to rocket attacks on Haifa is to get over to the stach where 10,000+ rockets are estimated to be stached.

What are your solutions for handling this mess? A cease fire? Those only benefit the terrorists.

Tell Israel to suck it up, let the 10,000+ rockets fly because dead Jews dont make the world cry? Only 200+ arabs dead in one night makes the world cry?

People are just too annoying on this forum, you nay-say and wha-wha.. but what real solutions do you have? There is no appeasing Terrorists.. they just want to kill Israeli military or civilians.

Lebanon, and all the other surrounding Arab Nations have NOT put an honest full-hearted attempt in squashing terrorist groups living inside their borders.

[superskippy]

henri wrote: superskippy wrote: More wonderful wisdom from Henri.

*****

Wrong.

I got it straight from the monkey's mouth, Ariel Sharon:

To Shimon Perez: "I want to tell you something very clear. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it". (Ariel Sharon, October3, 2001 to Shimon Perez, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio)

Another false quote, joy!

[Libzilla]

I find the stand of Congress to be amazing. Has my country gone Nucking Futz? I am ashamed to be associated with the US government and both parties of Zionist-occupied America. Will someone in Canada or EU sponsor a US defector?

[Pelagius]

Libzilla wrote: I find the stand of Congress to be amazing. Has my country gone Nucking Futz? I am ashamed to be associated with the US government and both parties of Zionist-occupied America. Will someone in Canada or EU sponsor a US defector?



'Zionist -occupied' - that's a good one! And why choose Canada or Europe - why not Hezbollah controlled Lebanon since that is clearly where your allegiance lies.

Kudos to the Congress of the United States for clearly coming out in support of Israel.

[superskippy]

Libzilla wrote: I find the stand of Congress to be amazing. Has my country gone Nucking Futz? I am ashamed to be associated with the US government and both parties of Zionist-occupied America. Will someone in Canada or EU sponsor a US defector?



Zionist occupied America?

God I love hearing from people like you, it's so refreshing. It just makes me feel so... powerful. It really does wonders for your selfesteem.

[TNBiologist]

Glad to see Congress expressing support for Israel. I would support any country that is trying to protect its Citizens. Lebanon refused to or lacked the power to neutralize hezbollah as Israel asked them to and as called for in a UN treaty. Hezbollah continued to use Lebanon as a base and safety net while lobbing missiles into civilian populations in Israel. I would not expect any nation to sit and let its population be attacked and not do anything.

[henrilegrand]

[quote="programmusic"][quote="henri"][quote="superskippy"]More wonderful wisdom from Henri.[/quote]

*****

Wrong.

I got it straight from the monkey's mouth, Ariel Sharon:

To Shimon Perez: "I want to tell you something very clear. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it". (Ariel Sharon, October3, 2001 to Shimon Perez, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio)[/quote]

And where did you read about that? Stormfront? You heard it on Kol Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouze_Merham[/quote]

*****

>>And where did you read about that?<<

On page1 of an article titled: [b]JEWISH NAZIS: American-Israeli State Terrorism of the Palestinian People.
[/b]http://a2planet.com/ast/palestine/AmericanIsraeliTerrorism.html

Now, you have your source, and I have mine. You believe your source, and I believe mine.

And East is East, West is West...and never the twain shall meet, right?

But let's forget Ariel Sharon, agree?

---

Jimmy Carter: "Going against the wishes of the Israeli Lobby is political suicide"

Pat Buchanan: "The US Congress is occupied Israeli territory"

Both Carter and Buchanan are still alive and can be reached by phone or e-mail.

While Sharon is near death, his brain is damaged, he is in a coma.
His Holyness Pat Robertson quipped, "God is punishing Sharon because of his many sins"
Of course, better just take Robertson's words with a grain of salt, he is a bigotted evangelical zealot just like Dubya.

[programmusic]

henrilegrand wrote: programmusic wrote: henri wrote: superskippy wrote: More wonderful wisdom from Henri.

*****

Wrong.

I got it straight from the monkey's mouth, Ariel Sharon:

To Shimon Perez: "I want to tell you something very clear. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it". (Ariel Sharon, October3, 2001 to Shimon Perez, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio)

And where did you read about that? Stormfront? You heard it on Kol Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouze_Merham

*****

>>And where did you read about that?<<

On page1 of an article titled: JEWISH NAZIS: American-Israeli State Terrorism of the Palestinian People.
http://a2planet.com/ast/palestine/AmericanIsraeliTerrorism.html

Now, you have your source, and I have mine. You believe your source, and I believe mine.

And East is East, West is West...and never the twain shall meet, right?

But let's forget Ariel Sharon, agree?

---

Jimmy Carter: "Going against the wishes of the Israeli Lobby is political suicide"

Pat Buchanan: "The US Congress is occupied Israeli territory"

Both Carter and Buchanan are still alive and can be reached by phone or e-mail.

While Sharon is near death, his brain is damaged, he is in a coma.
His Holyness Pat Robertson quipped, "God is punishing Sharon because of his many sins"
Of course, better just take Robertson's words with a grain of salt, he is a bigotted evangelical zealot just like Dubya.

that quote is another lie

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=6&x_article=34

Syndicated Columnist Georgie Anne Geyer Uses Fabricated Sharon Quote

In a May 10, 2002 column (“Now Isn’t the Time for Bush League Moves”), nationally-syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer included bogus and inflammatory allegations against Prime Minister Sharon and Israel’s supporters in America.

First, she wrote:

In fact, it [American support for Israel’s actions] led Prime Minister Sharon to tell his Cabinet recently, “I control America.”

CAMERA conducted extensive Nexis and Internet searches, and found that no mainstream news organization reported as true the fabricated quotation.

The hoax originated with an October 3, 2001 press release from the pro-Hamas group, the Islamic Association for Palestine. It said:

An acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres during which Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying “don’t worry about American pressure, we control America.”

Notably, in the same press release, the direct quotation “we control America” changed to “we the Jewish people control America.”

IAP wrote:

According [to] the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col [sic] Yisrael Wednesday, Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and turn the US against us. At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying “...I want to tell you something clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”

According to the IAP press release, the statement was reported on Kol Yisrael. However, CAMERA’s calls to Kol Yisrael confirmed that no such broadcast occurred.

Geyer’s second problematic claim was:

Look at U.S. television: One minute, you see pro-Israeli ads saying the Arabs are all dogs...

However, here too investigation turned up no evidence that any such ad ever appeared on U.S. television.

Since the Sharon “quotation” and the “Arabs are dogs" ad are preposterous on their face, one would have expected Geyer (and editors who publish her column) to verify their accuracy before including such inflammatory statements in her column.

Geyer’s piece, which is syndicated by Universal Press Syndicate, is known to have appeared in the Chicago Tribune and the San Diego Union Tribune.
UPDATE (June 15, 2002): Geyer Expresses "Regrets"

CAMERA notified Geyer’s editors that the Sharon “quote” originated on a pro-Hamas website (the Islamic Association for Palestine), and that it had not been corroborated by any reputable media organization. CAMERA also pointed out that IAP’s alleged source, a report on Israel radio, is apparently fictional – Kol Yisrael denied to CAMERA that it had ever broadcast any such report.

When CAMERA requested substantiation from Geyer, the columnist first asserted that she was abroad and would have to check her notes when she got back home in June. After CAMERA contacted editor Bruce Dold of the Chicago Tribune (which ran the Geyer column), he replied:

Ms. Geyer does indeed cite the same sources you note [an Islamic Association for Palestine press release that claimed Kol Yisrael radio reported the Sharon statement] on the Sharon quote. If you have a statement or confirmation from Kol Yisrael, I’d like to see it. As for the second point [concerning the alleged television ads], that is not a direct quote from an ad, but Geyer’s own interpretation of the nature of the content.

Informed that the Kol Yisrael reporter assigned to cover the Israeli Cabinet [where the Sharon statement was alleged to have been made] denied Sharon had made the attributed comment, Dold responded with a different story from Geyer. She now claimed that her sources were two anonymous Israelis.

Finally, Geyer’s syndicate disseminated the following Editor’s Note which appeared on June 14 in the Chicago Tribune and Sarasota Herald Tribune and will likely be published by other papers that ran Geyer’s May 10 column.

Editor’s note: Georgie Anne Geyer’s May 10 column included a quote from Ariel Sharon, 'I control America.’ This quote was widely reported in the Palestinian press but cannot be confirmed in independent sources. Geyer and Universal Press Syndicate regret not having attributed the quote more specifically.

While the syndicate thus admitted that “This quote...cannot be confirmed in independent sources,” it failed to state unambiguously that Sharon never uttered the words and that the alleged quotation first appeared in a press release from the pro-Hamas IAP. Since IAP said that Kol Yisrael was their source and Kol Yisrael denies broadcasting any such report, there should be no question that IAP was attempting to perpetrate a hoax. The syndicate also should have written “alleged quote” whenever referring to the supposed statement by Sharon.

Furthermore, the Editor’s Note implies that the problem was one merely of mistaken attribution – that it would have been acceptable for Geyer to use the bogus quotation had she cited “Palestinian sources.” Obviously, since these sources have been proven false, the quote should not have been published at all.

Additionally, the Editor’s Note fails entirely to address the other baseless assertion in Geyer’s May 10 column, her outrageous statement: “Look at U.S. television: One minute, you see pro-Israeli ads saying the Arabs are all dogs...”

Repeated CAMERA requests for Geyer to identify the specific ad that led to her “interpretation” have gone unanswered. Clearly there is no way that her readers could have understood that she was “interpreting” rather than paraphrasing or quoting from a supposed ad. Since it is extremely unlikely that any “U.S. television” station would have broadcast any such ad, Geyer and her syndicate owe her readers another “Editor’s Note” or apology.

Again, if you had a real argument, you wouldn't have to fabricate quotes.

http://www.sicmuse.com/weblog/archives/000655.htm