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Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6953 Location: Ohio

Didn't you know that?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/563D1044-AB85-4A30-82B4-77A00ADBB316.htm

Quote:
Israeli jets have hit central Beirut for the first time and dozens more people have been killed in continuing air attacks across south Lebanon, raising the toll there to about 295 people.

A truck in al-Ashrafiya district in central Beirut was struck by fire from an Israeli warship on Wednesday, the first time that central Beirut city had been hit.

Aljazeera's correspondent, Katia Nasir, reported that air raids had killed more than 55 people and destroyed much in the south during the day.

The fighting has killed about 295 people in Lebanon and 25 Israelis, mostly civilians.

In al-Srifa, at least 15 houses were completely demolished, the head of al-Srifa town municipality told Aljazeera.

News reports said at least 17 villagers, including several children, were killed and 30 wounded.

Afif Najdi, the mayor, said there had been a "massacre committed in Srifa".

"There are dozens dead and massive destruction. Emergency services are putting out fires [but] they cannot reach the houses to recover bodies," he said.

At least 29 other civilians were killed in air raids on other parts of south and east Lebanon, security sources said. Hezbollah said one of its fighters was killed in the fighting.

Ahmed Fatfat, the Lebanese acting interior minister, said Israel was trying to destroy Lebanon's infrastructure, not just defeat Hezbollah. "Are they turning it into a second Iraq?" he asked.

Red Cross hit

The International Red Cross told Aljazeera that they could not reach areas in Selaa town because of the destruction and road closures.

In al-Ansariya, a Red Cross centre was hit by an air raid, injuring a medic, Red Cross sources told Aljazeera.

Israeli tanks at the border
A car in Tyre was hit, injuring seven people, the correspondent said, and in al-Nabatiya, two women and three children were killed in their house.

Another Aljazeera correspondent in Lebanon, Basam al-Qadiri, reported that Israel had struck a house in Maarabun town, near Baalbek, killing five civilians.

Another strike hit al-**** area near Baalbek damaging a two-storey building, killing and injuring people, he added.

Israeli warplanes also struck Luci town in west Bekaa.

A base of the Syrian-backed Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in the Bekaa was also hit, the PFLP said. The guerrilla group gave no word on casualties.

Beirut's international airport, which was forced to close last Thursday, was also targeted again. Two missiles struck the runway but no casualties were reported.

"The intensive fighting against the Hezbollah organisation shall continue," Israel's inner cabinet said, adding that it was to get back the soldiers and remove the group's threat.

Hezbollah has arrested more than 20 Lebanese and Palestinians they accuse of spying for Israel.

They are accused of providing Israel with information, including the coordinates of positions in Lebanon that Israel could target for shelling.

Border attacks

Israeli troops crossed the border to attack Hezbollah positions. Hezbollah claims six soldiers have been killed and 14 wounded.

The Israeli army earlier announced that two soldiers had died.

Military officials said Israeli troops crossed the border in search of tunnels and weapons.

Hezbollah said its fighters destroyed four tanks during the clashes near the border.

Two Israeli-Arab children were killed when a rocket hit a house in the northern Israeli town of Nazareth, a military spokesman said.

The two boys, aged three and seven, were playing outside when four rockets launched landed. Eighteen others were wounded in the attack.

Hezbollah has fired more than 70 rockets into northern Israel on Wednesday.

Israel said on Wednesday that its air strikes had destroyed "about 50%" of Hezbollah's arsenal.

The conflict has forced about 100,000 Lebanese to flee from their homes and many foreign citizens to evacuate.

Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said more than 500,000 people had been displaced and appealed for international help.

"I call on you to respond immediately and without reservation to our call for a ceasefire and to provide urgent international humanitarian aid," he said in a televised address.

Villagers in southern Lebanon said food, water and medical supplies were dwindling after roads and bridges were cut in the south.

The United Nations Children's Fund has appealed for $7.3 million to meet the immediate needs of women and children.

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Now tell me, all 15 of those houses that were leveled were containing terrorists?

I find it hard to believe this was an accident. Israel has hi-tech, precision bombs. Someone must have screwed up pretty f***ing badly to level 15 homes accidentally.

maalox · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 133 Location: above u

man , Israelians do not know where are Hezbollah , Hezbollah is everywhere , but they are to stupid

TacticalSniper · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject:

Exactly. Hezbollah is everywhere so we attack everything. Well-said!

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6953 Location: Ohio

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Wow. I sure as hell hope you are both joking.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject:

Well, we try not to hit civilians, actually. But yes, most of villages in South Lebanon are destroyed, with casualties - primarily because Hezbollah does everything so that these people will not leave. How can they work without a human shield, those poor people who get millions from Iran?

mr_happy · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 319

ISrael's actions in lebanon sadden me. Israel used to be a shining example of a moral army. They had the best combatant to civillian kill ratio in the history of urban warfare. In Gaza for instance, they actually killed more militants than civillians. If you look at any war that is amazing. Howevr, the Israeli target acquisition system in lebanon is radically different than that of Gaza, and the lack of checks and balances are causing civillian casualties. It takes a full minute for the missile to hit the target once fired, and the happenings that can happen in the space of a minute explain the low number of civillian deaths prior to this lastest flare up. However, Israel is doing something radically different, to the detriment of the average lebanese. If anyone in the IDF can tell us what's being done different that would be great.

Pelagius · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 888

TacticalSniper wrote: Exactly. Hezbollah is everywhere so we attack everything. Well-said!

Keep up the good work! Lebanon has effectively been taken over by Hezbollah - the entire country may need to be sacrificed. Now, I iwsh you would force march the residents of Gaza in to the sea.

cogent · Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 41 Location: beirut

you gotta be kidding me
hizbollah is not everywhere
actually its nowhere
they hide in the mountains away from civillians
don't think for one instant that the resistance is with in the civillians

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1647 Location: UK / Hungary

cogent wrote: you gotta be kidding me
hizbollah is not everywhere
actually its nowhere
they hide in the mountains away from civillians
don't think for one instant that the resistance is with in the civillians

Funny I saw TV footage of Hezbollah fighters in Beirut last night!! Not exaclty isolated mountainous terrain!!! :lol: :lol:

Nico · Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 10827 Location: Auckland

Pelagius wrote: TacticalSniper wrote: Exactly. Hezbollah is everywhere so we attack everything. Well-said!

Keep up the good work! Lebanon has effectively been taken over by Hezbollah - the entire country may need to be sacrificed. Now, I iwsh you would force march the residents of Gaza in to the sea.

march them into the sea? :? Explain

TacticalSniper · Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:49 am Post subject:

Most Hezbollah casualties are told to be "civilians" as they rarely carry weapons, because they have no use for them as Israel barely uses ground forces.

TacticalSniper · Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:50 am Post subject:

Pelagius wrote: Keep up the good work! Lebanon has effectively been taken over by Hezbollah - the entire country may need to be sacrificed. Now, I iwsh you would force march the residents of Gaza in to the sea.

Stop the bulls**t. "Lebanon has effectively been taken over by Hezbollah"? Where'd you get that from?

And we won't send or want to Gazans into the sea (like they would do with us) because we do not hate them.

Tepic · Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 1573

TacticalSniper wrote: Most Hezbollah casualties are told to be "civilians" as they rarely carry weapons, because they have no use for them as Israel barely uses ground forces.

Aren't most Israelis soldiers who aren't carrying weapons? That's a dangerous argument...

SaladFingers · Joined: 28 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

Tepic wrote: TacticalSniper wrote: Most Hezbollah casualties are told to be "civilians" as they rarely carry weapons, because they have no use for them as Israel barely uses ground forces.

Aren't most Israelis soldiers who aren't carrying weapons? That's a dangerous argument...

Quite a difference here..

First off, Israeli soldiers wear uniforms, badges, and other identifying objects that signify they are Soldiers.

Hezbollah like other terrorists, wear civilian clothing, and whether they are wearing hoods, or bandanas.. are easily removeable by their comrades.

Secondly, can you please list a source, or direct me to a website where Israel has been reprimanded for claiming off-duty soldier casualties as civlian casualties?

henri · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 338

>>Israel only target militants<<

That's right, that's why Americans in Lebabon are trying to get the hell out oif there as quick as possible.

maalox · Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 133 Location: above u

TacticalSniper wrote: Well, we try not to hit civilians, actually. But yes, most of villages in South Lebanon are destroyed, with casualties - primarily because Hezbollah does everything so that these people will not leave. How can they work without a human shield, those poor people who get millions from Iran?

that`s seriously the stupidest thing someone ever said , seriously

man i annouce that u`re OFFICIALY stupid

everything u do is hitting civilians

and , plus , i dunno if u abt that , but i heard them live on TV

things Israelian TV`s will never broadcast

Israelians telling civilians to leave the village called "marwahin"

and a pick-up , with 13 ppl

8 children , 3 women and 2 men

they were massacred while leaving and plus , ambulances rushing there , were even destroyed , and don`t tell me that`s what i think

I`VE SEEN THAT U BLOODY MAGGOT

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1336

Key to civilian casualties(hamas in Gaza)

Yoadm · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 554 Location: Israel

mr_happy wrote: ISrael's actions in lebanon sadden me. Israel used to be a shining example of a moral army. They had the best combatant to civillian kill ratio in the history of urban warfare. In Gaza for instance, they actually killed more militants than civillians. If you look at any war that is amazing. Howevr, the Israeli target acquisition system in lebanon is radically different than that of Gaza, and the lack of checks and balances are causing civillian casualties. It takes a full minute for the missile to hit the target once fired, and the happenings that can happen in the space of a minute explain the low number of civillian deaths prior to this lastest flare up. However, Israel is doing something radically different, to the detriment of the average lebanese. If anyone in the IDF can tell us what's being done different that would be great.

Mr_happy, the reason Israel had more success in minimizing civilian attacks in gaza, compared to Lebanon,was that in the former, it had more intellegence on the ground, and had the time and leisure to plan its strikes.

In this war, with 1,100 sorties a day, you cannot spend backbreaking hours working the perfect strike. Still, over 12,000 missiles hit lebanon, meaning that every 60 missiles (on average) cause one dead lebanese civilian. Comparebly, civilian deaths are astonishingly low.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

Good point Yoadm, I never thought about putting it in that format.

Pebble · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 1143

So how many militants to missiles is that?