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mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2735

mai wrote: Do not under-estimate Iran. It is one of the most dangerous and powerful countries in the world. Just imagine the devistation if Israel took it 1on1 with Iran. If it gets THAT serious, nukes will be involved. Lets just call that the end of the world.

It can only project force through its proxy armies Hezbolah and Hamas, its not really that powerfu, its the most powerful in the middle east after Israel but thats not saying much.

mai · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Dubai

mendosan wrote: mai wrote: Do not under-estimate Iran. It is one of the most dangerous and powerful countries in the world. Just imagine the devistation if Israel took it 1on1 with Iran. If it gets THAT serious, nukes will be involved. Lets just call that the end of the world.

It can only project force through its proxy armies Hezbolah and Hamas, its not really that powerfu, its the most powerful in the middle east after Israel but thats not saying much.

Well it was powerful enough to seize my country's islands and have no one brave enough to do something about it. It's powerful enough to blow the whole persian gulf out of existance. Let's just call that powerful enough. Israel would surely win a war over them, but not without cataclysmic destruction. All i'm saying is war against Iran should be avoided at all costs.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

Well mai without meaning any offense... your the UAE. You have a grant combined military strength of some 60,000 and it wasnt until 1996 that you achieved your first major armored battalions.

Is your country going to go into a losing war over some disputed islands?

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

The whole premise of this thread is simple minded. Iran and Israel will never engage each other one on one [unless something very extreme happens like Mecca is bombed by Israel or Iran drops nukes on Tel Aviv, etc]. For instance in a recent interview, an Iranian military officials said that they will never fight Israel and the fight is more an indirect and ideological fight against Zionism.

mai · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Dubai

superskippy wrote: Well mai without meaning any offense... your the UAE. You have a grant combined military strength of some 60,000 and it wasnt until 1996 that you achieved your first major armored battalions.

Is your country going to go into a losing war over some disputed islands?

The UAE avoides any kind of war at all costs. The disputed islands are not the only issue. There is dispute over the Saudi-UAE border, the Qatar-UAE border, and Omani border as well. Some 20 years ago, Oman was going to attack the UAE for a small area called ALburaimi, which lies in the middle of a city in the UAE beside the Omani border. Instead of meeting Oman with resistance, the UAE gave Oman the area it wanted. Pisses me off that we just let people munch off bits and pieces of the UAE just because "we're too nice" it seems. But that's not the point here, if the UAE wanted to get the islands by force it could, the US already offered to help, but as I said, "we're too nice." :roll:

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

mai wrote: superskippy wrote: Well mai without meaning any offense... your the UAE. You have a grant combined military strength of some 60,000 and it wasnt until 1996 that you achieved your first major armored battalions.

Is your country going to go into a losing war over some disputed islands?

The UAE avoides any kind of war at all costs. The disputed islands are not the only issue. There is dispute over the Saudi-UAE border, the Qatar-UAE border, and Omani border as well. Some 20 years ago, Oman was going to attack the UAE for a small area called ALburaimi, which lies in the middle of a city in the UAE beside the Omani border. Instead of meeting Oman with resistance, the UAE gave Oman the area it wanted. Pisses me off that we just let people munch off bits and pieces of the UAE just because "we're too nice" it seems. But that's not the point here, if the UAE wanted to get the islands by force it could, the US already offered to help, but as I said, "we're too nice." :roll:

This typefies the proverbial, "Nice guys finish last". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

mai · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Dubai

thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: superskippy wrote: Well mai without meaning any offense... your the UAE. You have a grant combined military strength of some 60,000 and it wasnt until 1996 that you achieved your first major armored battalions.

Is your country going to go into a losing war over some disputed islands?

The UAE avoides any kind of war at all costs. The disputed islands are not the only issue. There is dispute over the Saudi-UAE border, the Qatar-UAE border, and Omani border as well. Some 20 years ago, Oman was going to attack the UAE for a small area called ALburaimi, which lies in the middle of a city in the UAE beside the Omani border. Instead of meeting Oman with resistance, the UAE gave Oman the area it wanted. Pisses me off that we just let people munch off bits and pieces of the UAE just because "we're too nice" it seems. But that's not the point here, if the UAE wanted to get the islands by force it could, the US already offered to help, but as I said, "we're too nice." :roll:

This typefies the proverbial, "Nice guys finish last". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

8:) Last? Haha. For your information, Dubai, city in the UAE, will become the number 1 tourist destination in the world by the year 2010. Oil money, business and tourism transformed our country, not war. Nice people with witty brains can do things too :wink:

have a look at the UAE friend

In 30 years, the UAE was able to raise itself up from a desert to one of the most developed countries in the middle east. I guess choosing not to arm up and fight pays off doesnt it? Hell, we're the most spoilt people on earth! we dont pay taxes, we're the richest country per-capita, land and houses are given to us by the goverment.. We're privilaged :wink:

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

mai wrote: thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: superskippy wrote: Well mai without meaning any offense... your the UAE. You have a grant combined military strength of some 60,000 and it wasnt until 1996 that you achieved your first major armored battalions.

Is your country going to go into a losing war over some disputed islands?

The UAE avoides any kind of war at all costs. The disputed islands are not the only issue. There is dispute over the Saudi-UAE border, the Qatar-UAE border, and Omani border as well. Some 20 years ago, Oman was going to attack the UAE for a small area called ALburaimi, which lies in the middle of a city in the UAE beside the Omani border. Instead of meeting Oman with resistance, the UAE gave Oman the area it wanted. Pisses me off that we just let people munch off bits and pieces of the UAE just because "we're too nice" it seems. But that's not the point here, if the UAE wanted to get the islands by force it could, the US already offered to help, but as I said, "we're too nice." :roll:

This typefies the proverbial, "Nice guys finish last". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

8:) Last? Haha. For your information, Dubai, city in the UAE, will become the number 1 tourist destination in the world by the year 2010. Oil money, business and tourism transformed our country, not war. Nice people with witty brains can do things too :wink:

have a look at the UAE friend

In 30 years, the UAE was able to raise itself up from a desert to one of the most developed countries in the middle east. I guess choosing not to arm up and fight pays off doesnt it? Hell, we're the most spoilt people on earth! we dont pay taxes, we're the richest country per-capita, land and houses are given to us by the goverment.. We're privilaged :wink:

Hmmm... can I join in? 8:)

mai · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Dubai

thisisnotme wrote: Hmmm... can I join in? 8:)

hehe, ur welcome to visit anytime :flwr: but join? I dont think so 8:)

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

mai wrote: thisisnotme wrote: Hmmm... can I join in? 8:)

hehe, ur welcome to visit anytime :flwr: but join? I dont think so 8:)
Well you see, that is the difference between the West and the Muslim world. We accept all ethnics, all religions. Anyone can immigrate, regardless of ethnicity, religion, culture, language because we are an open, free society. The Muslim world is closed to all except their own brother Muslims.

mai · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Dubai

thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: thisisnotme wrote: Hmmm... can I join in? 8:)

hehe, ur welcome to visit anytime :flwr: but join? I dont think so 8:)
Well you see, that is the difference between the West and the Muslim world. We accept all ethnics, all religions. Anyone can immigrate, regardless of ethnicity, religion, culture, language because we are an open, free society. The Muslim world is closed to all except their own brother Muslims.

Wrong again. Do your research before generalizing. The Muslim world? That's over 1 billion people. And if you ment the arabs, there are over 20 arab nations. My proffesor in collegue is an American-jew. You may not find that common in other arab countries but certainly not all Arab countries are the same!

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

mai wrote: thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: thisisnotme wrote: Hmmm... can I join in? 8:)

hehe, ur welcome to visit anytime :flwr: but join? I dont think so 8:)
Well you see, that is the difference between the West and the Muslim world. We accept all ethnics, all religions. Anyone can immigrate, regardless of ethnicity, religion, culture, language because we are an open, free society. The Muslim world is closed to all except their own brother Muslims.

Wrong again. Do your research before generalizing. The Muslim world? That's over 1 billion people. And if you ment the arabs, there are over 20 arab nations. My proffesor in collegue is an American-jew. You may not find that common in other arab countries but certainly not all Arab countries are the same!

You should be cheering, you found one American-Jew. The difference is, there are millions of Muslims in Europe. Are they millions of non-Muslims in the Muslim World???

mai · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Dubai

thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: thisisnotme wrote: Hmmm... can I join in? 8:)

hehe, ur welcome to visit anytime :flwr: but join? I dont think so 8:)
Well you see, that is the difference between the West and the Muslim world. We accept all ethnics, all religions. Anyone can immigrate, regardless of ethnicity, religion, culture, language because we are an open, free society. The Muslim world is closed to all except their own brother Muslims.

Wrong again. Do your research before generalizing. The Muslim world? That's over 1 billion people. And if you ment the arabs, there are over 20 arab nations. My proffesor in collegue is an American-jew. You may not find that common in other arab countries but certainly not all Arab countries are the same!

You should be cheering, you found one American-Jew. The difference is, there are millions of Muslims in Europe. Are they millions of non-Muslims in the Muslim World???

The example I gave of my college proffessor was just to show you how liberated we are. There are so many Americans and Europeans here. Millions of Muslims in Europe? That's because Islam spread throughout the world, not just the middle east, and many of them seek refuge from their countries to Europe and the US. For example, those who attacked NY on 9/11 are muslims, but were procecuted by their own countries and seeked refuge to europe, where they could claim refuge and plan their terrorist attacks without their goverment's interferance. Do you actually believe that those Saudi bombers would be able to plan out their attacks in Saudi? Also, IF you did your research about the UAE, you would find out that 70% of those who live in the UAE are non-locals. In total, there are less that 50% muslims living in the UAE. Other than my country, Lebanon for example. It's current president is christian, why? becuase chirsitans form the majority. Don't argue about something that is not based on fact.

theshield · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 350

mai wrote: thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: thisisnotme wrote: Hmmm... can I join in? 8:)

hehe, ur welcome to visit anytime :flwr: but join? I dont think so 8:)
Well you see, that is the difference between the West and the Muslim world. We accept all ethnics, all religions. Anyone can immigrate, regardless of ethnicity, religion, culture, language because we are an open, free society. The Muslim world is closed to all except their own brother Muslims.

Wrong again. Do your research before generalizing. The Muslim world? That's over 1 billion people. And if you ment the arabs, there are over 20 arab nations. My proffesor in collegue is an American-jew. You may not find that common in other arab countries but certainly not all Arab countries are the same!

You should be cheering, you found one American-Jew. The difference is, there are millions of Muslims in Europe. Are they millions of non-Muslims in the Muslim World???

The example I gave of my college proffessor was just to show you how liberated we are. There are so many Americans and Europeans here.

Yes you guys are just wonderful...

Quote: Migrant workers, sometimes unskilled or skilled, comprise a large portion of UAE's workforce. A 2003 Human Rights Watch report estimates up to 90 percent of the country's 1.7 million workers are migrants. These migrants, drawn to wages often more than they could make in their home countries, have helped UAE's endless construction projects proceed rapidly. However, unlike many other countries, these foreign workers (also known as expatriates) do not have a claim to UAE citizenship and thus cannot be naturalized. This is generally only possible through marriage to a UAE or GCC citizen. People from neighbouring Arab countries or Iran who entered the country illegally during the 1950's and 60's, however, are full UAE citizens, due to the fact that poor border controls existed at that time.

Migrant workers in UAE face many challenges. As mentioned above, disparities in salaries and treatment occur for different races, with Arabs and Westerners getting better pay than their Asian or non-Arab counterparts. Even among Asians there are disparities. For example, a worker from Southasia, China or Philippines may receive lower pay and worse treatment than one from Japan or Singapore.

As far as prisons are concerned, conditions are worse. Arab or Western inmates suffer little or no flogging for their crimes, but Asians are routinely flogged, not only for their offences but also for refusing to comply with the policemen in charge. Healthcare is generally reserved only for Arabs, but should an Asian fall sick, he will be left to look after himself, unless his situation is grave. Al-Wathba prison is a prison complex located outside Abu Dhabi city in close proximity to the Abu Dhabi International Airport. It is one of the main prisons in the UAE and houses inmates awaiting execution and deportation and also those who have been handed life sentences. It consists of living quarters, detention centre and execution grounds. Executions(a rarity) are carried out by firing squad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates#Migrant_workers

mai · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Dubai

theshield wrote: mai wrote: thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: thisisnotme wrote: Hmmm... can I join in? 8:)

hehe, ur welcome to visit anytime :flwr: but join? I dont think so 8:)
Well you see, that is the difference between the West and the Muslim world. We accept all ethnics, all religions. Anyone can immigrate, regardless of ethnicity, religion, culture, language because we are an open, free society. The Muslim world is closed to all except their own brother Muslims.

Wrong again. Do your research before generalizing. The Muslim world? That's over 1 billion people. And if you ment the arabs, there are over 20 arab nations. My proffesor in collegue is an American-jew. You may not find that common in other arab countries but certainly not all Arab countries are the same!

You should be cheering, you found one American-Jew. The difference is, there are millions of Muslims in Europe. Are they millions of non-Muslims in the Muslim World???

The example I gave of my college proffessor was just to show you how liberated we are. There are so many Americans and Europeans here.

Yes you guys are just wonderful...

Quote: Migrant workers, sometimes unskilled or skilled, comprise a large portion of UAE's workforce. A 2003 Human Rights Watch report estimates up to 90 percent of the country's 1.7 million workers are migrants. These migrants, drawn to wages often more than they could make in their home countries, have helped UAE's endless construction projects proceed rapidly. However, unlike many other countries, these foreign workers (also known as expatriates) do not have a claim to UAE citizenship and thus cannot be naturalized. This is generally only possible through marriage to a UAE or GCC citizen. People from neighbouring Arab countries or Iran who entered the country illegally during the 1950's and 60's, however, are full UAE citizens, due to the fact that poor border controls existed at that time.

Migrant workers in UAE face many challenges. As mentioned above, disparities in salaries and treatment occur for different races, with Arabs and Westerners getting better pay than their Asian or non-Arab counterparts. Even among Asians there are disparities. For example, a worker from Southasia, China or Philippines may receive lower pay and worse treatment than one from Japan or Singapore.

As far as prisons are concerned, conditions are worse. Arab or Western inmates suffer little or no flogging for their crimes, but Asians are routinely flogged, not only for their offences but also for refusing to comply with the policemen in charge. Healthcare is generally reserved only for Arabs, but should an Asian fall sick, he will be left to look after himself, unless his situation is grave. Al-Wathba prison is a prison complex located outside Abu Dhabi city in close proximity to the Abu Dhabi International Airport. It is one of the main prisons in the UAE and houses inmates awaiting execution and deportation and also those who have been handed life sentences. It consists of living quarters, detention centre and execution grounds. Executions(a rarity) are carried out by firing squad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates#Migrant_workers

What..? you googled "something bad about the UAE"? And yes, we guyz are just wonderful. Avoiding war though oppressed, using what resources we have to raise ourselves, I think it's a wonderful accomplishment looking at the status of the average middle-eastern country. About this article you posted, as we all know, any1 can write whatever they want on wikipedia. I am a citizen of this country, and I know what it is like here, you can come here by urself and ask the foriegn workers about their treatment. Why would there be more than 70% foriegn workers if they are treated badly? Why would they be so desperate to get a job in this nation? Because, working here, is a great opportunity for them. And for your information, ther is no capital punishment here. And about he conditions of foriegn prisoners? Here's an article for you too: The pardon of an american who was arrested for drug possession. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5146382.stm As I said, we're just too nice :roll:

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2735

mai wrote: theshield wrote: mai wrote: thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: thatisnotme wrote: mai wrote: thisisnotme wrote: Hmmm... can I join in? 8:)

hehe, ur welcome to visit anytime :flwr: but join? I dont think so 8:)
Well you see, that is the difference between the West and the Muslim world. We accept all ethnics, all religions. Anyone can immigrate, regardless of ethnicity, religion, culture, language because we are an open, free society. The Muslim world is closed to all except their own brother Muslims.

Wrong again. Do your research before generalizing. The Muslim world? That's over 1 billion people. And if you ment the arabs, there are over 20 arab nations. My proffesor in collegue is an American-jew. You may not find that common in other arab countries but certainly not all Arab countries are the same!

You should be cheering, you found one American-Jew. The difference is, there are millions of Muslims in Europe. Are they millions of non-Muslims in the Muslim World???

The example I gave of my college proffessor was just to show you how liberated we are. There are so many Americans and Europeans here.

Yes you guys are just wonderful...

Quote: Migrant workers, sometimes unskilled or skilled, comprise a large portion of UAE's workforce. A 2003 Human Rights Watch report estimates up to 90 percent of the country's 1.7 million workers are migrants. These migrants, drawn to wages often more than they could make in their home countries, have helped UAE's endless construction projects proceed rapidly. However, unlike many other countries, these foreign workers (also known as expatriates) do not have a claim to UAE citizenship and thus cannot be naturalized. This is generally only possible through marriage to a UAE or GCC citizen. People from neighbouring Arab countries or Iran who entered the country illegally during the 1950's and 60's, however, are full UAE citizens, due to the fact that poor border controls existed at that time.

Migrant workers in UAE face many challenges. As mentioned above, disparities in salaries and treatment occur for different races, with Arabs and Westerners getting better pay than their Asian or non-Arab counterparts. Even among Asians there are disparities. For example, a worker from Southasia, China or Philippines may receive lower pay and worse treatment than one from Japan or Singapore.

As far as prisons are concerned, conditions are worse. Arab or Western inmates suffer little or no flogging for their crimes, but Asians are routinely flogged, not only for their offences but also for refusing to comply with the policemen in charge. Healthcare is generally reserved only for Arabs, but should an Asian fall sick, he will be left to look after himself, unless his situation is grave. Al-Wathba prison is a prison complex located outside Abu Dhabi city in close proximity to the Abu Dhabi International Airport. It is one of the main prisons in the UAE and houses inmates awaiting execution and deportation and also those who have been handed life sentences. It consists of living quarters, detention centre and execution grounds. Executions(a rarity) are carried out by firing squad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates#Migrant_workers

What..? you googled "something bad about the UAE"? And yes, we guyz are just wonderful. Avoiding war though oppressed, using what resources we have to raise ourselves, I think it's a wonderful accomplishment looking at the status of the average middle-eastern country. About this article you posted, as we all know, any1 can write whatever they want on wikipedia. I am a citizen of this country, and I know what it is like here, you can come here by urself and ask the foriegn workers about their treatment. Why would there be more than 70% foriegn workers if they are treated badly? Why would they be so desperate to get a job in this nation? Because, working here, is a great opportunity for them. And for your information, ther is no capital punishment here. And about he conditions of foriegn prisoners? Here's an article for you too: The pardon of an american who was arrested for drug possession. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5146382.stm As I said, we're just too nice :roll:

Dude UAE is a great country but don't pretend those migrant workers don't get treated like s**t (although probably better than migrant workers in other ME countries) , you can guarantee they work harder than most of the citizenry, check out the human rights watch letter.

Letter to World Bank President James Wolfensohn on Eve of Annual Meetings
September 18, 2003

link

mai · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Dubai

First of all, Im not a dude, for 2 reasons: Im a female, and dude means worms in arabic :p

No country is perfect, but as you said, the UAE are most certainly doing better than other ME countries. Atleast, when we have a problem, we work to solve it, as we did with many of our problems. Don't forget that the UAE is less than 40 years old. It is far too young to have all sorts of stability at once. So far, it made an enormous leap in those few years since it's creation, but it is still a work in progress :wink:

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

Dubai is beautifal indeed.

mai · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Dubai

superskippy wrote: Dubai is beautifal indeed.

Why thank you, a living example of the efficiency of non-violence

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

UEA economy is based mostly on oil revenue. If the West had not developped the technology, which is now shared by the whole world, the need for oil would be zilch, and the UEA along many Muslim countries would still be in the dark ages, with most people there riding their camels -- or would it be... trading their women for a camel...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: