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Well, it was a good run, but it looks like Intel will be holding the performance crown for a good long while. AMD will be bumped to the realm of budget processing for the foreseeable future.

I've had this 1700+ for ages now, and had always assumed my next upgrade would be another AMD, especially over the last year or two (damnit, I envisioned having a new mobo/processor by now :x). Looks like there's a good chance I'll be moving back to Intel whenever the hell I scrape together a grand of PC money.

Personally, I'm cool with it; it's nice that a US company will be back in the saddle, and AMD has positioned itself to keep serious pressure on Intel in the long term. Thoughts?

Secondary Oak · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 3395 Location: Haifa

:dance:

Maybe it means I'll get a bonus :-D

And by the way, what do you mean "it's nice that a US company will be back in the saddle"?

Rilzic · Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Alb, NM, USA

Cool that will lower prices of all the others quite a bit. maybe i'll get one in 5 years. LOL.

David · Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 12099 Location: Louisiana

AMD has had a dual core processor out for some time.Want to bet they have something else in the works and will have it on the market before long?

Secondary Oak · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 3395 Location: Haifa

David wrote: AMD has had a dual core processor out for some time.Want to bet they have something else in the works and will have it on the market before long?
Intel also has dual core processors out for some time now. This is why this is called Core 2 (yes, stupid name, I know) - this is the "second generation" of dual core processors. Also probably the last generation, future processors will have more cores.

If I'm not mistaken the next major AMD chip is scheduled to mid-2007 - this gives Intel at least a year to hold dominance. I have no doubt that AMD will strike back; but Intel's production capacity and price cuts will pose a problem for them.

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:20 am Post subject:

Secondary Oak wrote: And by the way, what do you mean "it's nice that a US company will be back in the saddle"?
As opposed to having AMD, a Germany-based company, in the lead.

Quote: If I'm not mistaken the next major AMD chip is scheduled to mid-2007 - this gives Intel at least a year to hold dominance. I have no doubt that AMD will strike back; but Intel's production capacity and price cuts will pose a problem for them.
You're not mistaken; I see no chance of AMD overtaking Intel in the next 9 months. Even when AMD does release its next generation processor, it's far from guaranteed that it will overtake Intel.

All AMD can do in the meantime is cut prices; they've already openly stated they will be doing so.

Secondary Oak · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 3395 Location: Haifa

Free Thinkr wrote: Secondary Oak wrote: And by the way, what do you mean "it's nice that a US company will be back in the saddle"?
As opposed to having AMD, a Germany-based company, in the lead.
Oh, I didn't know that AMD is headquartered in Germany.

Melcar · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:36 am Post subject:

Free Thinkr wrote: Secondary Oak wrote: And by the way, what do you mean "it's nice that a US company will be back in the saddle"?
As opposed to having AMD, a Germany-based company, in the lead.

Quote: If I'm not mistaken the next major AMD chip is scheduled to mid-2007 - this gives Intel at least a year to hold dominance. I have no doubt that AMD will strike back; but Intel's production capacity and price cuts will pose a problem for them.
You're not mistaken; I see no chance of AMD overtaking Intel in the next 9 months. Even when AMD does release its next generation processor, it's far from guaranteed that it will overtake Intel.

All AMD can do in the meantime is cut prices; they've already openly stated they will be doing so.

I'm waiting for the price cuts (any time now) so I can get a nice dual core.
Intel will hold the performance crown for at least a year since AMD's response (K8L) won't be out until late 2007-2008. I do hope AMD has something else up their sleeves besides price cuts; reverse HT was looking good but it has pretty much been debunked as a silly myth.

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:59 am Post subject:

Melcar wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Secondary Oak wrote: And by the way, what do you mean "it's nice that a US company will be back in the saddle"?
As opposed to having AMD, a Germany-based company, in the lead.

Quote: If I'm not mistaken the next major AMD chip is scheduled to mid-2007 - this gives Intel at least a year to hold dominance. I have no doubt that AMD will strike back; but Intel's production capacity and price cuts will pose a problem for them.
You're not mistaken; I see no chance of AMD overtaking Intel in the next 9 months. Even when AMD does release its next generation processor, it's far from guaranteed that it will overtake Intel.

All AMD can do in the meantime is cut prices; they've already openly stated they will be doing so.

I'm waiting for the price cuts (any time now) so I can get a nice dual core.
Even in the budget arena, Intel should get strong consideration. Did you see the Tomshardware article on the $130 Pentium Dual core that they over clocked to 3.8GHz with air cooling and 4.1GHz water cooled? I'm damn tempted!

Quote: Intel will hold the performance crown for at least a year since AMD's response (K8L) won't be out until late 2007-2008. I do hope AMD has something else up their sleeves besides price cuts; reverse HT was looking good but it has pretty much been debunked as a silly myth.
Yeah, I don't think they will unless they've managed to keep something super quiet. If you think about it, it's amazing that they managed to outperform Intel for so long; but Intel has always been ahead in terms of fabs (they're going to be moving to a 45nm process in 2007).

Secondary Oak · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 3395 Location: Haifa

Free Thinkr wrote: Yeah, I don't think they will unless they've managed to keep something super quiet.
I don't see any reason for either company to keep their projects private. If you don't publish the fact you're about to produce new chips, people will buy the competitor's chips now. If you do publish it, people might be temped to wait a bit and see what you have in store.

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:10 am Post subject:

Secondary Oak wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Yeah, I don't think they will unless they've managed to keep something super quiet.
I don't see any reason for either company to keep their projects private. If you don't publish the fact you're about to produce new chips, people will buy the competitor's chips now. If you do publish it, people might be temped to wait a bit and see what you have in store.
Well, every once in a while some small tweak will net some substantial gains, but frankly, AMD is too far behind to make up the gap in such a manner.

MtW · Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 52

Just a quick bit of interest (sorta ot), there was an interesting article about where vehicles are made.

Ford was 30% Mexican
Toyota was 40% American

I'll have to remember where it was from...I think Consumer Reports.

It was interesting to know that by the time all was said and done, my Toyota was more "American made" than most of the American companies...

Also, I worked at Dannon, and when the whole "boycott the french products" bs came out in Usa, i found it funny cause Dannon was a french based company (and was actually targeted), but so many americans would have lost their jobs if we actually followed through with that boycott.

Melcar · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:37 am Post subject:

Free Thinkr wrote:
Even in the budget arena, Intel should get strong consideration. Did you see the Tomshardware article on the $130 Pentium Dual core that they over clocked to 3.8GHz with air cooling and 4.1GHz water cooled? I'm damn tempted!

I already have a solid skt939 system. A nice CPU upgrade will keep me going until DX10.

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject:

Melcar wrote: Free Thinkr wrote:
Even in the budget arena, Intel should get strong consideration. Did you see the Tomshardware article on the $130 Pentium Dual core that they over clocked to 3.8GHz with air cooling and 4.1GHz water cooled? I'm damn tempted!

I already have a solid skt939 system. A nice CPU upgrade will keep me going until DX10.
Bastard. I wanted a 939. :twisted:

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject:

MtW wrote: Just a quick bit of interest (sorta ot), there was an interesting article about where vehicles are made.

Ford was 30% Mexican
Toyota was 40% American

I'll have to remember where it was from...I think Consumer Reports.

It was interesting to know that by the time all was said and done, my Toyota was more "American made" than most of the American companies...

Also, I worked at Dannon, and when the whole "boycott the french products" bs came out in Usa, i found it funny cause Dannon was a french based company (and was actually targeted), but so many americans would have lost their jobs if we actually followed through with that boycott.
Sure. In fact, AMD is building a new state-of-the-art facility in New York, IIRC. There's just a lot of Intel hate these days (for whatever reason), and it's nice to keep in mind they're a USA-all-the-way company; it's nice to have an American company leading the way in processor development. Not any huge deal, just sorta nice.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6804 Location: Ohio

Why's it really matter?

The only reason I never got an AMD chip is because the names confuse the hell out of me.

BigOMG · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject:

Free Thinkr wrote: Secondary Oak wrote: And by the way, what do you mean "it's nice that a US company will be back in the saddle"?
As opposed to having AMD, a Germany-based company, in the lead.

Quote: If I'm not mistaken the next major AMD chip is scheduled to mid-2007 - this gives Intel at least a year to hold dominance. I have no doubt that AMD will strike back; but Intel's production capacity and price cuts will pose a problem for them.
You're not mistaken; I see no chance of AMD overtaking Intel in the next 9 months. Even when AMD does release its next generation processor, it's far from guaranteed that it will overtake Intel.

All AMD can do in the meantime is cut prices; they've already openly stated they will be doing so.

finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=AMD

Advanced Micro Devices Inc.
One AMD Place
PO Box 3453
Sunnyvale, CA 94088-3453
United States - Map
Phone: 408-749-4000
Fax: 408-982-6164
Web Site: http://www.amd.com

www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/AboutAMD/0,,51_52_502_504,00.html

Headquarters
One AMD Place
P.O. Box 3453
Sunnyvale, California 94088-3453
(408) 749-4000
TWX:910-339-9280
TELEX:34-6306

Born and raised in the USA since 1969.

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:

BigOMG wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Secondary Oak wrote: And by the way, what do you mean "it's nice that a US company will be back in the saddle"?
As opposed to having AMD, a Germany-based company, in the lead.

Quote: If I'm not mistaken the next major AMD chip is scheduled to mid-2007 - this gives Intel at least a year to hold dominance. I have no doubt that AMD will strike back; but Intel's production capacity and price cuts will pose a problem for them.
You're not mistaken; I see no chance of AMD overtaking Intel in the next 9 months. Even when AMD does release its next generation processor, it's far from guaranteed that it will overtake Intel.

All AMD can do in the meantime is cut prices; they've already openly stated they will be doing so.

finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=AMD

Advanced Micro Devices Inc.
One AMD Place
PO Box 3453
Sunnyvale, CA 94088-3453
United States - Map
Phone: 408-749-4000
Fax: 408-982-6164
Web Site: http://www.amd.com

www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/AboutAMD/0,,51_52_502_504,00.html

Headquarters
One AMD Place
P.O. Box 3453
Sunnyvale, California 94088-3453
(408) 749-4000
TWX:910-339-9280
TELEX:34-6306

Born and raised in the USA since 1969.
Their main fab is in Dresden, Germany. People talk a lot about jobs being outsourced; I tend to think that these are the very sort of jobs we have an interest in keeping in the US (though, again, they're building that new facility in NY; eat that, Dresden! :P).

bob.appleyard · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 7603 Location: Manchestar, innit

I;m not going to buy Intel if I can help it, for reasons which need not be discussed here.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18817

I will never leave AMD, they are always ahead of the game. I have a socket 939 AMD 64 and have no reason to upgrade to dual core at this time, but when I do it will be an AMD. AMD has better prices, better hardware, and treat their customers and employees better.

AMD is an all around better company. Plus AMD and Nvidia just seem to be a perfect marriage.