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Duchifas
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Communalknighthood wrote: I just had a lecture in my history of the Middle East course on the establishment of the Israeli state and by the end of the lecture everyone was sympathetic to Palestine.
Oh, good! Confirms my hypothesis about the strength of socialist education. Where one lecture can quickly convince everyone about something. |
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mendosan
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Duchifas wrote: Communalknighthood wrote: I just had a lecture in my history of the Middle East course on the establishment of the Israeli state and by the end of the lecture everyone was sympathetic to Palestine.
Oh, good! Confirms my hypothesis about the strength of socialist education. Where one lecture can quickly convince everyone about something.
Lectures are a guide for your reading decide after you do your reading, and do lots. |
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Communalknighthood
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Duchifas wrote: Communalknighthood wrote: I just had a lecture in my history of the Middle East course on the establishment of the Israeli state and by the end of the lecture everyone was sympathetic to Palestine.
Oh, good! Confirms my hypothesis about the strength of socialist education. Where one lecture can quickly convince everyone about something.
Well at least with socialism, there is a sort of education. With capitalism, people just accept all its short comings with little restraint. At least if socialism doesn't triumph (and it will) I can say that I'm not ordinary and I can think for myself. And not go with what society tells me is right. |
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Communalknighthood
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| So, what were we talking about again. That's right. The Middle East. So, how many innocent children do you think the Israelis will kill this time? |
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Communalknighthood
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Tepic wrote: Communalknighthood wrote: I just had a lecture in my history of the Middle East course on the establishment of the Israeli state and by the end of the lecture everyone was sympathetic to Palestine.
That surely depends on your lecturer's choice of facts ;)
You can't blame Israel alone for the partition. Many other countries voted in favour of it. The whole world is to blame for the mess over there.
That's right and I'm openly critical of the west. But Israel especially. The west had no idea what Israel would do upon independence. |
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Communalknighthood
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But seriously now, why do you think Hexbollah and Israel are doing this. I tkink that Hezbollah is disparately trying to draw attention to this conflict. As well as drawing Israel into a trap that will hurt public opinion against them. And Israel is trying to settle the issue with Hezbollah once and for all. Olmert is just trying to prove himself.
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Tepic
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Communalknighthood wrote: Tepic wrote: Communalknighthood wrote: I just had a lecture in my history of the Middle East course on the establishment of the Israeli state and by the end of the lecture everyone was sympathetic to Palestine.
That surely depends on your lecturer's choice of facts ;)
You can't blame Israel alone for the partition. Many other countries voted in favour of it. The whole world is to blame for the mess over there.
That's right and I'm openly critical of the west. But Israel especially. The west had no idea what Israel would do upon independence.
Put together a whole lot of Palestinians with their backs to the wall fighting for their home, and a whole lot of Israelis just persecuted out of Europe with their backs to the wall fighting for their new home, add a pinch of Imperial West and an irritated Arab world, and expect ... peace? :? |
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Communalknighthood
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Tepic wrote: Communalknighthood wrote: Tepic wrote: Communalknighthood wrote: I just had a lecture in my history of the Middle East course on the establishment of the Israeli state and by the end of the lecture everyone was sympathetic to Palestine.
That surely depends on your lecturer's choice of facts ;)
You can't blame Israel alone for the partition. Many other countries voted in favour of it. The whole world is to blame for the mess over there.
That's right and I'm openly critical of the west. But Israel especially. The west had no idea what Israel would do upon independence.
Put together a whole lot of Palestinians with their backs to the wall fighting for their home, and a whole lot of Israelis just persecuted out of Europe with their backs to the wall fighting for their new home, add a pinch of Imperial West and an irritated Arab world, and expect ... peace? :?
I would hope for cooler heads to prevail. But nothing excuses the million plus Palestinian refugees and all the massacres (on both sides actually). |
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Tepic
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Communalknighthood wrote: Tepic wrote: Communalknighthood wrote: Tepic wrote: Communalknighthood wrote: I just had a lecture in my history of the Middle East course on the establishment of the Israeli state and by the end of the lecture everyone was sympathetic to Palestine.
That surely depends on your lecturer's choice of facts ;)
You can't blame Israel alone for the partition. Many other countries voted in favour of it. The whole world is to blame for the mess over there.
That's right and I'm openly critical of the west. But Israel especially. The west had no idea what Israel would do upon independence.
Put together a whole lot of Palestinians with their backs to the wall fighting for their home, and a whole lot of Israelis just persecuted out of Europe with their backs to the wall fighting for their new home, add a pinch of Imperial West and an irritated Arab world, and expect ... peace? :?
I would hope for cooler heads to prevail. But nothing excuses the million plus Palestinian refugees and all the massacres (on both sides actually).
Hope and expectation are different things. I think a lot of the mess could've been averted if Britain said "Well, actually this Palestine place is a bit crowded, and they don't much like foreignors barging in, and it's not really ours anyway ... but there's plenty of space in Australia and Canada, and people there are peaceful, we'd be happy to let you in there!"
In reality, Australia didn't want refugees because they thought it would cause a 'racial problem' :( |
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Communalknighthood
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| So, what is your point? |
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Tepic
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Communalknighthood wrote: So, what is your point?
Well, partly that people act stupidly, but that's common knowledge ... maybe the EU could be doing more diplomatically to encourage peace in the region, since Europe played a large part in creating the problem? |
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Communalknighthood
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Tepic wrote: Communalknighthood wrote: So, what is your point?
Well, partly that people act stupidly, but that's common knowledge ... maybe the EU could be doing more diplomatically to encourage peace in the region, since Europe played a large part in creating the problem?
So, why do you think Hezbollah and Israel are fighting each other? Anyone? |
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Seapearl
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Communalknighthood wrote: So, what were we talking about again. That's right. The Middle East. So, how many innocent children do you think the Israelis will kill this time?
I was listening to the news today....1 in 2 dead Libanese people are children...Hospitals are full of injured small children, others lost eyes, fingers, got burnt.... |
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TacticalSniper
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| Let's ask it another way, shall we? Among how many children Hezbollah will shoot their rockets and then go into underground bunkers? |
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Communalknighthood
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TacticalSniper wrote: Let's ask it another way, shall we? Among how many children Hezbollah will shoot their rockets and then go into underground bunkers?
I say about five against more then 100 by the Israelis. Military's kill far more people then terrorism. Terrorism is nothing but a response to brutal state violence. |
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TacticalSniper
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| It is? A response? Hmm... What was the attack again IDF soldiers then - act of peace? I don't even mention constant attacks against Israel in the past six years.... |
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Seapearl
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Duchifas wrote: Communalknighthood wrote: I just had a lecture in my history of the Middle East course on the establishment of the Israeli state and by the end of the lecture everyone was sympathetic to Palestine.
Oh, good! Confirms my hypothesis about the strength of socialist education. Where one lecture can quickly convince everyone about something.
Please, don't undermine people's capability of judgement..... |
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maalox
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it`s either Israelians are stupid to beleive they can do that, wich is bad
or Isrealians are playing stupid just to kill more n more innocent ppl , wich is worse
so either way , what Israelians are doing is bad
and i never meant to nsult europe , by saying that , all i`m saying it that jews in Israel are beeing payed to come from all over the world
and abt hamas jihad and hezbollah
these are decent forces , they fight for a nobel cause |
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superskippy
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Quote: and i never meant to nsult europe , by saying that , all i`m saying it that jews in Israel are beeing payed to come from all over the world
and abt hamas jihad and hezbollah
these are decent forces , they fight for a nobel cause
Oh completely, and did you know Islamic Jihad and Hamas only accidentally blew up a few buses and kindergardens, and Hezbollah only accidentally blew up a Jewish community center in Argentina, and only accidentally blew up our embassy in Buenos Aires. |
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SaladFingers
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Communalknighthood wrote: TacticalSniper wrote: Let's ask it another way, shall we? Among how many children Hezbollah will shoot their rockets and then go into underground bunkers?
I say about five against more then 100 by the Israelis. Military's kill far more people then terrorism. Terrorism is nothing but a response to brutal state violence.
Wow thats wishful thinking, and so generalized too.
You do know that if your keeping up with live coverage between CNN and Fox, you'd catch tid bits of what Israel is using now.. they are using precision drones to hit laser designated areas..
While Hezbollah is retreating, and trying to arc their missiles to hit Israeli targets that are out of range, so the missiles fall short and hit civilian targets..
Maybe you also knew that a UN observation post (Neutral target) was hit by a rocket launched by Hezbollah that was caught on TV..
Terrorism serves many purposes. At the moment it has many people here beleiving what Hezbollah wants everyone to.
We are focusing on the 250+ dead lebananese caused by Israeli, yet there is no focus on the undisclosed full statistics coming out of all the cities hit by Hezbollah rockets.
Hezbollah wants this to happen, they do not care for Lebannon civilians, but gladly recruit them into their ranks and use them. They underestimated Israel.. AGAIN.. and now they are going to receive Israel's wrath.. and so will the 40%+ Lebannese population that support Hezbollah.
What Hezbollah wants now, is a ceasefire, they are suffering heavy losses according to recent reports on the news. With a ceasefire they can pull out, reposition themselves at a new location, recruit more people, and begin fighting again. Most of all, they want your guys' sympathy, they want you to pressure your politicians to pressure Israel into a ceasefire.
Dance Puppets.. Dance.. |
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